[Pandan]

My response is, go and look at any other esports player contract.

I don't use those terms, but in my familiarity of contracts with not just aussie but international orgs - its a carbon copy. Those terms exist for reasons mate. Not just Starcraft in gaming - you've got FPS gamers there as well.

End of the story is, if the management doesn't like you, they can get rid of you. What's the problem? If you don't like management, you can leave provided the terms.

ON TOP OF THAT - Avant offered to alter the contract for discussion, I know that as fact.


Here's the thing that I'm reading between the lines on. How many people are in ToR? A shitload? You are leaving avant because not all 70 thousand of your members are getting a moonglade contract.

Here's how you would have had the contract offered from any other org - DOX will back me up on this...

Baseline commitment for all ToR members = X
Extra Over for Top players (likely NXZ + Pezz?) = X+Y
Extra Over performance bonus = X+Y+Z

If you expect EVERY player to get the X+Y+Z or even the X+Y, you're dreaming. Do you think even in Nv of all teams, everyone gets the same as Moonglade? Do you think even in Nv, the console team gets the same as a SC2 team? NO, of course not - every single team and player in every org is different and gets different terms.

Quick Comments

	SLCNPezz:	Pandan, just because this may be a "standard" contract to lesser gaming organisations, that doesn't make it okay.
	syfChadMann:	I think the problem Pandan was that no one got anything...

[ToRSpartaz]

Originally Posted by Pandan

ON TOP OF THAT - Avant offered to alter the contract for discussion, I know that as fact.

Here's the thing that I'm reading between the lines on. How many people are in ToR? A shitload? You are leaving avant because not all 70 thousand of your members are getting a moonglade contract.

It seems that you already do not have a basis to make comments in relation to this dispute. If you don't know even the basis for who actually represented the SC2 division. 7 players have been representing Avant, originally starting with 6 until we picked up NXZ.

And despite the fact that this is one thing that you have been supposedly told, I personally have been pointing out the issues with the contract in relation to not only my players - but the implications for other teams as well.

You seem to be uninformed regarding the situation or at least only understand one side of the story. I would prefer it if we could leave this behind us now, there is no point on dwelling on something that isn't going to moving in any direction forwards or backwards.

And to those who have shown such signs of support It is much appreciated

[SLCN.Petrify]

Originally Posted by Pandan

My response is, go and look at any other esports player contract.

Do they all offer nothing to the players and in return take away every single right a player has? If so, no wonder there's been so many issues in esports with player contracts.

Here's the thing that I'm reading between the lines on. How many people are in ToR? A shitload? You are leaving avant because not all 70 thousand of your members are getting a moonglade contract.

Here's how you would have had the contract offered from any other org - DOX will back me up on this...

Baseline commitment for all ToR members = X
Extra Over for Top players (likely NXZ + Pezz?) = X+Y
Extra Over performance bonus = X+Y+Z

If you expect EVERY player to get the X+Y+Z or even the X+Y, you're dreaming. Do you think even in Nv of all teams, everyone gets the same as Moonglade? Do you think even in Nv, the console team gets the same as a SC2 team? NO, of course not - every single team and player in every org is different and gets different terms.

Um... the contract was only offered to Team ToR members, which is like 6-7 people?

As for the rest of the stuff about nv that's basically totally irrelevant and supports my argument; the 'x+y+z' shit was NOT offered to anybody. The only thing that was offered was 'x' and in turn everything that was taken away was the rest of the alphabet in both english, russian, chinese, japanese and korean.

Pandan just read this please:

This is the main thing that put me off the contract, why even put this in there if it's just done on a "case by case basis". It pretty much means the contract doesn't mean anything, and that Avant can do whatever they please. And if I sign I'm locked in for 6months, so I can't even get out if they aren't providing any support.

It isn't even a contract. It's an AVANT can do whatever they want with providing you nothing for 6 months. It's retarded. If it's standard practice then its disgusting.