[Matt93]

Looking at the submitted replay from the accuser there is relatively no doubt of some wrong doing. I gave rusher the benefit of the doubt with the probe placement as well as passing off the two looks at his opponents base as assumptions of base location and creating camera hotkeys. However the parts that cannot be accounted for are the glances at the marine armies through the Fog of War nor the preemptive probe pull.



From the replays posted by Lord I picked number 4 + 6 because I wanted to and I'll discuss what I see from these replays : PvZ "EGHuK" vs Clairvoyance. - Replay 6

First odd thing is bringing his scouting probe back to build the nexus before seeing a pool or anything go down, but based on timings that was fine, just seems odd to not attempt to block.

Second thing. He makes no attempt to scout the third base of his opponent, in fact he hasnt even seen the pool or natural yet feels perfectly safe to begin his sentry immortal push, could be just confidence that he'd have units out in time to defend an attack however if it were to come.

Third thing and the most damning ive found so far in this game, which again I suppose one could put off as coincidence but still. 11:10ish Rusher peeks across the fog of war which just so happens to be where his opponent's army is. As his opponent's army moves forward, Rusher takes a step back and as his opponent retreats Rusher moves forward.

Nothing else of note in this game that I could see, definitely no Fog of War peeking like earlier.

"EGHuK" vs Whistpoo replay 4

I am unaware of spawning conventions on this map as I have had it vetoed since after the first time I've played it. however if it is not forced cross spawns we have a problem right off the gate as Rusher sends one of his first probes directly to his opponents base. He proceeds to proxy 2 gate and win the game. He walls his probe in to his gateways which was kind of weird without scouting his opponents base. I suppose that was to hide suspicion, but if condemned ridge is not forced cross spawns we may have a confirmation here. Because of how replay 4 turned out I'm also going to look at replay 3 since replay 5 wont allow me to download it.

"EGHuK" vs Tassadar replay 3

Nothing of note here. just yet another proxy gate on a map I know has forced cross positions, cannot tell if map hacking exists.on to replay 1!

OSRusher vs dcsThanatos Replay 1


1:46 - glance through fog of war directly to opponents base similar to original accusation replay.
6:24 - opponent's overlord moving to semi-vulnerable position next to Rusher's base. Rallies stalker to inside main and chrono, rerallies in close proximity to the overlord - could just be preemptive denial, but the re-rally is confusing to me.

This whole time he has not left his base, and has no knowledge that his opponent has spawned in the bottom right(edit : left.. my brain is broken) nor opened 3 hatch and early speed. proceeds to do a wonky 1/1 sentry immo attack which wins the game as his opponent drops banelings onto immortals instead of zealots.This might be a massive wall of text :\ going into replay 2.

OSRusher vs Twinkletoes Replay 2

Once again a proxy gate which is no real indication of whether map hacking exists however @ 1:20 Rusher slides over to his opponent's nexus, which again, is no indication as it could just be boredom waiting for the gates to finish.again wins the game.

I guess replay 7 now... Wish there were a few more non-cheese games in this pack youve sent us Lord, under the assumption you have given us that he assumes all 4 player maps are cross spawn it is a bit hard to prove anything.

"EGHuK" vs Winter replay 7


He sends his probe out to scout after pylon, but then pulls it back halfway.
2:09 - pans directly to his opponent's freshly put down spawning pool through fog of war, relatively damning.
4 lings moving across the map and rusher fills the gap near his forge and is in position to put down a gateway the second the lings come onto screen, which while being something some people do, considering the fog of war peek earlier in the game I consider this yet another piece of evidence in the map hacking case.
10:10 peeks through fog of war at overlords and lings inbetween 3rd and natural of his opponent.
10:19 directs his units towards the lings attacking the rocks at his 3rd without seeing them.
11:04 again peeks through fog of war and looks at opponent's main army.

Delayed sentry immo all in shows its power and wins the game.

That is all the replays I want to watch right now, I think I only missed replay 1 and the one that wouldn't download.

In summary : The replays given were not the best indicator in all circumstances. From the games I saw he either sentry immo all inned (in all the games never scouting for a third and only scouting in one) or proxy gated. There was base peeking in a few games, but not all. which leads me to come to this conclusion.

Rusher does use map hacks, but he does not always use them. It'd be really nice Lord if you could acquire some PvT and some PvZ replays where he does not use the sentry immortal all in from preferably last weekish.

3am wall of text OUT.

I'm working off the presumption of innocence and high coincidences but I just don't see him being innocent. he uses them that is that. Maybe not all the time, but he does.

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[OSL0rd]

Originally Posted by Matt93

Looking at the submitted replay from the accuser there is relatively no doubt of some wrong doing. I gave rusher the benefit of the doubt with the probe placement as well as passing off the two looks at his opponents base as assumptions of base location and creating camera hotkeys. However the parts that cannot be accounted for are the glances at the marine armies through the Fog of War nor the preemptive probe pull.



From the replays posted by Lord I picked number 4 + 6 because I wanted to and I'll discuss what I see from these replays : PvZ "EGHuK" vs Clairvoyance. - Replay 6

First odd thing is bringing his scouting probe back to build the nexus before seeing a pool or anything go down, but based on timings that was fine, just seems odd to not attempt to block.

Second thing. He makes no attempt to scout the third base of his opponent, in fact he hasnt even seen the pool or natural yet feels perfectly safe to begin his sentry immortal push, could be just confidence that he'd have units out in time to defend an attack however if it were to come.

Third thing and the most damning ive found so far in this game, which again I suppose one could put off as coincidence but still. 11:10ish Rusher peeks across the fog of war which just so happens to be where his opponent's army is. As his opponent's army moves forward, Rusher takes a step back and as his opponent retreats Rusher moves forward.

Nothing else of note in this game that I could see, definitely no Fog of War peeking like earlier.

"EGHuK" vs Whistpoo replay 4

I am unaware of spawning conventions on this map as I have had it vetoed since after the first time I've played it. however if it is not forced cross spawns we have a problem right off the gate as Rusher sends one of his first probes directly to his opponents base. He proceeds to proxy 2 gate and win the game. He walls his probe in to his gateways which was kind of weird without scouting his opponents base. I suppose that was to hide suspicion, but if condemned ridge is not forced cross spawns we may have a confirmation here. Because of how replay 4 turned out I'm also going to look at replay 3 since replay 5 wont allow me to download it.

"EGHuK" vs Tassadar replay 3

Nothing of note here. just yet another proxy gate on a map I know has forced cross positions, cannot tell if map hacking exists.on to replay 1!

OSRusher vs dcsThanatos Replay 1


1:46 - glance through fog of war directly to opponents base similar to original accusation replay.
6:24 - opponent's overlord moving to semi-vulnerable position next to Rusher's base. Rallies stalker to inside main and chrono, rerallies in close proximity to the overlord - could just be preemptive denial, but the re-rally is confusing to me.

This whole time he has not left his base, and has no knowledge that his opponent has spawned in the bottom right(edit : left.. my brain is broken) nor opened 3 hatch and early speed. proceeds to do a wonky 1/1 sentry immo attack which wins the game as his opponent drops banelings onto immortals instead of zealots.This might be a massive wall of text :\ going into replay 2.

OSRusher vs Twinkletoes Replay 2

Once again a proxy gate which is no real indication of whether map hacking exists however @ 1:20 Rusher slides over to his opponent's nexus, which again, is no indication as it could just be boredom waiting for the gates to finish.again wins the game.

I guess replay 7 now... Wish there were a few more non-cheese games in this pack youve sent us Lord, under the assumption you have given us that he assumes all 4 player maps are cross spawn it is a bit hard to prove anything.

"EGHuK" vs Winter replay 7


He sends his probe out to scout after pylon, but then pulls it back halfway.
2:09 - pans directly to his opponent's freshly put down spawning pool through fog of war, relatively damning.
4 lings moving across the map and rusher fills the gap near his forge and is in position to put down a gateway the second the lings come onto screen, which while being something some people do, considering the fog of war peek earlier in the game I consider this yet another piece of evidence in the map hacking case.
10:10 peeks through fog of war at overlords and lings inbetween 3rd and natural of his opponent.
10:19 directs his units towards the lings attacking the rocks at his 3rd without seeing them.
11:04 again peeks through fog of war and looks at opponent's main army.

Delayed sentry immo all in shows its power and wins the game.

That is all the replays I want to watch right now, I think I only missed replay 1 and the one that wouldn't download.

In summary : The replays given were not the best indicator in all circumstances. From the games I saw he either sentry immo all inned (in all the games never scouting for a third and only scouting in one) or proxy gated. There was base peeking in a few games, but not all. which leads me to come to this conclusion.

Rusher does use map hacks, but he does not always use them. It'd be really nice Lord if you could acquire some PvT and some PvZ replays where he does not use the sentry immortal all in from preferably last weekish.

3am wall of text OUT.

I'm working off the presumption of innocence and high coincidences but I just don't see him being innocent. he uses them that is that. Maybe not all the time, but he does.

Hi Matt,

Thanks for you informative and really well constructed rebuttal. It is this kind of argument i was looking and off the bat of this I thank you for taking your time in this case.

Your arguments are conclusive and concise. I agree with majority of what you have produced here. However the issue with the instant probe move to opponents spawn on cross map I firmly believe it to be case of misguided perception that all 4 players maps are cross spawn.

However, like i mentioned earlier, most of your points do line up very well and to simply dismiss that and assume it is by pure coincidence will be sheer bias and unfair to the community.

I will formulate more evidence if need to be to defend OSRusher, but I would like to ask if there is a way to otherwise prove his innocence. OSRusher is more than cooperative but the request cannot be too absurd. For example, you can't expect him to stream over 48 hours non-stop or ship his computer to you guys for checking.

I think is best we approach this on the basis that we be as fair as possible and I can assure full co-operation from OSRusher to clear his name.

I'd like to state again that I firmly believe in OSRusher's innocence and it would be unfortunate for him to leave Starcraft 2 and Team OS due to one replay.

The issue i have is that I feel one replay cannot justify this act and assured way for OSRusher to prove his innocence has not been presented to him. For example, the recent maphacking incident with Daisuki (apologies if I misspelled his name) where the person researching on him did extensive research and evidence to prove that he is indeed a maphacker. Do note that I do not require someone to spend their effort proving OSRusher wrong, but give enough points, evidence and the allowance for OSRusher himself to clear his name before finally concluding whether he is a maphacker or not.

I hope I do receive some sensible and mature replies much like what Matt posted.

I firmly believe in the fairness of the community and I strive to upload Team OS to the highest prestige of professionalism. Maphacking is something not tolerated in OS in any degree.

Thanks all.