[Harmonik]

Originally Posted by Benji

I used to like roach openings, but when you play against a player that actually understands ZvZ, not going speedling puts you behind. I do like to transition to roach whenever I feel safe to do so however, as I prefer Roach midgame play than trying to finish the game early with Lings/Banes.

Sorry I wasnt being clear. I always open speedlings vZ or I just get crushed so totes agree. What i meant was I get roaches after slings and skip banes entirely. I often hold off a first wave of slings with a complete wall around drones. A spine, queen and roaches safely inside. Then expand.

Do you feel that is weaker? I do tend to get owned by mutas shortly after but i feel that might be due to my slowness in execution after my basic BO finishes.

[Benji]

Originally Posted by Harmonik

Sorry I wasnt being clear. I always open speedlings vZ or I just get crushed so totes agree. What i meant was I get roaches after slings and skip banes entirely. I often hold off a first wave of slings with a complete wall around drones. A spine, queen and roaches safely inside. Then expand.

Do you feel that is weaker? I do tend to get owned by mutas shortly after but i feel that might be due to my slowness in execution after my basic BO finishes.

You're being ultra defensive, Spining up, getting Speed AND Roaches, meanwhile any good opponant will contain you in your base and expand and drone whilst getting his Warren up, and he is massively ahead.

If you get enough units to break the contain (and it has to be roaches as Lings are countered by the 2 banes he has sitting behind his lings), you need enough roaches to maintain a walloff (to prevent runby and queen sniping) as well as push out and kill x amount of lings, which is such a massive investment that if he droned and expanded, you're massively behind and your only choice is to allin (and you can't send 3 roaches as you need to maintain your wall). Also the speedlings will pickoff any single unit rienforcements, and his superior econ will destroy your allin unless he makes a macro error.