[breadfan]

Originally Posted by ChesthairMcBiceps

I'd like to see CHoBo banned until he refunds all of his coaching students or at least donates the money he made from it to sc2sea to go back into the community.

That's not really fair. Having a punishment that applies for tournaments for cheating in tournaments is pretty reasonable to me

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nirvAnA:

Yeap, same thing we did for the map hackers caught

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by breadfan

That's not really fair. Having a punishment that applies for tournaments for cheating in tournaments is pretty reasonable to me

What is a suitable punishment for cheating coaching students?.. The guy was a lying little worm that took people's money based on a lie!?!!...

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TAavanar:

i agree with chad and del on this

[breadfan]

Originally Posted by cR.ChadMann

What is a suitable punishment for cheating coaching students?.. The guy was a lying little worm that took people's money based on a lie!?!!...

As someone who actually was coached, I feel I'm in a qualified position to give insight on this. Beyond this I really don't want to get involved though, I'm not trying to defend any of the smurfing or anything at all, so don't get the wrong idea. I just think demanding refunds for everyone for chunks of $20 (that were probably supplemented into weekly income, rather than put aside in a managed fund or something) is wrong. And wrong in principle, not only in this one case.

I paid for coaching, and I got the coaching I paid for. He spent the time in sessions, he analysed replays, and he answered questions. I improved at least as much as I expected to from coaching. I'm paying for that time, not for his ability. Coaching isn't all about what level of GM someone is - I'm pretty confident I got coached by a GM player, whether he is top 10 or top 200 GM doesn't really make a difference, at least for me. Coaching style and methods are more important - the person needs to be able to transfer their skill to you. I feel you'd get more out of coaching with a master's player who is able to effectively communicate and teach you than IM_Mvp, if Mvp wasn't able to communicate in a way that enabled transfer of skill.

As I said in a previous post, my biggest concern is that people who I recommended him to might feel differently than I. They may genuinely feel ripped off, and that might reflect poorly on me. However, that's more of a personal issue. I don't feel I'm owed any money or anything.

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	Rage:	This was my point. Anyone short of top GM themselves will get just as much coaching from a low GM/masters as from top GM
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[souljah]

Originally Posted by breadfan

That's not really fair. Having a punishment that applies for tournaments for cheating in tournaments is pretty reasonable to me

Thing is, when Seohyeon smurfed laddering for him, it got him so high in GM ranking that Chobo was actually made a GM Manual coach. In this, he not only "stole" money from tournaments in having seohyeon play for him in Masters Cup, but also in getting money from the community in coaching, when he clearly isn't at said level1

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	AsGNabi:	chobo was gm before seo was laddering him fyi
	syfChadMann:	Counter - yo

[Bash]

Originally Posted by souljah

Thing is, when Seohyeon smurfed laddering for him, it got him so high in GM ranking that Chobo was actually made a GM Manual coach. In this, he not only "stole" money from tournaments in having seohyeon play for him in Masters Cup, but also in getting money from the community in coaching, when he clearly isn't at said level1

People did recommend his coaching to others though, maybe his credentials werent legit, but he did have some happy students that obviously enjoyed the experience, so he must've been coaching alright, and if anyone was displeased with it then i suspect they wouldve come forward and said so,

Not saying he didnt dick everyone around way too much, but he did provide a service to those he coached.

+1 to forum ban though, atleast for a little while.

[CHoBo(kice)]

I will happily take a forum ban if that is what everyone wants.

[NvRossi]

Originally Posted by AsGCHoBo

I will happily take a forum ban if that is what everyone wants.

you act like people give a shit about your opinion

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	Criven:	Take the high road.
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	CHoBo(kice):	>.>
	TAavanar:	LOL

[deL]

Originally Posted by breadfan

That's not really fair. Having a punishment that applies for tournaments for cheating in tournaments is pretty reasonable to me

He also cheated in ladder, and decieved people about his actual skill level which lead him to becoming a coach on the site - damaging the site and community as well as anyone who recieved training from him. It really doesn't show that he is apologetic or in any way remorseful of his actions unless he offered these things.