[Nemo]

Originally Posted by PeleusSPR

Really want to put my 2c in, but scared it will create a shit storm so here we go. Please remember that I'm only representing MY opinion not SPRs, and looking for a rational discussion surrounding the issue. I also have no influence over who SPR decides to field, that's up to the managers. Now hopefully the shitstorm disclaimers are out of the way....

Never,ever, ever, have fear to express your genuine opinion as long as you stay calm and respectful of others. Administration team will warranty that it will be respected.

Why is it we have no standardized rule for who is eligible and who is not? What is considered 'active' on the server? Keep in mind a few things though...
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so if we don't lay down clear and objective rules this shitfight may happen every season (not just with SPR).

Unclear rules I think are what's causing the most issues.

In fact not. Rules are made so people can conform to what the community want. They are the expression of the group will. If someone do something the community don't accept but is not forbid by the rules, the rules will be changed to limit that unwanted behavior.

In fact in this situation, the rules have been well written and it's unnecessary to change them : "It's no unless the Admins say yes". And the Admins won't says yes if the community is unanimous to forbid them from participating.

They might, if they think it's wise, extend the "right to be automatically elligible" to guys that have been very active on the SEA ladder since 6 month, have participated enough in the forum, have streamed enough for SEA etc.

Originally i beleive reasons given for their exclusion is they were on teams, and therefore ineligable. No worries, but other players are playing for clans who are on teams also.

They don't play on SEA enough people say. Ok, but many people master mentioned have played 100's of games on the SEA server. If you're going to use games on SEA as a benchmark why is tgun playing?

He's n nationality + belongs to SEA => tgun automatically has the right to participate. 100% in the rule.

I'm mearly pointing out that its strange some people can play more on SEA yet not be considered part of the community simply because their english isn't the best and not conducive to posting on sc2sea.

That's where you are absolutely wrong Peleus.

Soulmann is really weak in english, but that never stopped him from wanting to participate in this community. He streamed for people from here, putting his stream link on the chat each time he does and making the effort to answer EACH question in English using Google translate, even in game ! I was so impressed and moved when I saw that, that I even took a screenshot of it. I don't find where I have put it. :-/

Look at his posts : http://www.sc2sea.com/search.php?searchid=36411



He participates, whatever his level in English. That's why he has 92 rep points in 30 posts and why people love him. And that's why you won't see anyone questioning his participation.

If the others want to be part of the community, they can.

But it rises the question I asked and you didn't answer : Why do they want to be part of us ? Soulman never explained why he was here but he seems to enjoy the community. What for them ? That's the most important question and you guys keep avoiding answering. Why ?

Finally what about tournaments you say? Clearly tgun etc commonly plays in more sc2sea tournaments showing they are a part of the sc2sea community? Yes, youre right clearly they aren't actively joining in the community there,, but that's only because they were banned from most of them. It's a pretty silly chicken and egg scenario when you use the fact that they aren't allowed to be part of the sc2sea community as further justification for ... well ... not allowing them to be part of the sc2sea community.

That's not participating in tournament that makes you part of the community. Look at me.

Having stirred the pot I'll leave it there. Please remember these are MY views, not SPRs in any way and they never knew I was posting this.

Point taken, don't worry.