[nirvAnA]

You can find everything related to the drama here as well as del's original personal attack in response to his infraction.

Summary:

1. del leaves a negative comment about the race wars without reading properly that line ups weren't out yet
2. I infracted him for it as it was his fault to be so quick to make such a comment without reading
3. del makes 400 word personal attack. Hes missing the point, his infraction was about not reading the thread and its the same way people on TL are warned for not reading the OPs and making stupid comments. He follows up with negative attack on the whole of the sc2sea community, mods and my wife.
4. Gets banned for 1 week for that response. The mod team and people who read it suggest it was way too lenient and him to be banned for longer.
5. I realise in his anger he also went on to cancel the BSGCL, and furthermore delete the OP which had all information to ensure no one else would be able to continue it.
6. Ban is extended indefinitely, losses trust and is removed as Team Au Manager
7. Comments from dels friends spill over to NW2 thread and everything is moved here so threads don't get derailed

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"my comment about putting down tournaments not organised by him"
It didn't manifest out of thin air, and i remember how discouraging it was for me as I experienced this first hand. When I first started organising stuff on TL or first created sc2sea when we were nothing - one of the first few comments would always be by del and be something negative / sarcastic. Then I realised he did this for any every other organiser in SEA as well. Some examples

sc2sea.com's weekly KOTH - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=154412
del "so will this be like a one-day only SEA event cos we will all go to the US server?"

Ichors tournament - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=199391
del "Still has to be better than $20 first prize even if it's $20,000 of mousepads."

When sc2sea first started out - http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?p=13683#post13683
del "I think we should maybe aim a bit lower, and at least get SC2SEA to a level where it's mediocre first. "

There are countless other examples this was just a quick 5 minute search.

Do I think he really wants to help the community? Does he ever make such comments when hes part of the event? I.e Nation Wars. Does he view us as a threat? He loves being in charge and when someone else comes along his position feels threatened. Hence my comment about him always putting down other organisers. This is a side of del that his friends would not have experienced. He goes out of his way to put down tournaments, and does not have a good relationship with other organisers because of this. del-benji, del-dox, del-nirvana. In many cases, to validate his point he has made use of the support of his friends against them TA vs Benji, FXO vs DoX, TA vs nirvana.

If he truly cared about the community he would never have left such remarks, and would have helped encourage or support organisers or give them the means to be able to reach out to the community. For e.g the BSGs, GPDs, and now even the BSGCL were not any of my ideas, people approached me with them by PM and I took the time to encouraged them to go with it, helped them with the rules/format/templates, ran them through the organising process and provided them the structure to run it to reach out to the community.

Now compare my actions with dels and you will see a huge difference in the way we do things and grow communities. If TA did not have a BSG team, do you honestly think del would have even created a BSG league in the first place? Im not saying he created it solely for TA but when he does "community" stuff its always aligned with his own interests. TA wasn't doing so hot in BSGCL and FXO was giving him pressure and hence my comment about making events when its aligned to his own interests. Rossi he didn't just get a gentle reminder, he got yelled it for spending so much time on NON-FXO stuff just before I infracted him (which i did not know until later of course).

Do I feel he has contributed to sc2sea? My relationship with him has always been shaky, but I always did my best to keep it neutral (and believe me that was a massive challenge). Because the events he holds even though aligned to his own interests does benefit the AU SC2 community and so for the greater good I've put aside our personal differences, even despite of my Mod team telling me to ban him repeatedly since the site first begun. Recall

del "I think we should maybe aim a bit lower, and at least get SC2SEA to a level where it's mediocre first. "

He was basically always putting us down in multiple threads right from the start at the crucial point where we really needed support. And only when we started becoming big and successful did he start being positive because he wanted to be part of the influence and exposure we were getting. The people who have helped built this community are the ones who really give their time or their money, from the donators to the organisers who take their time to run stuff or normal members who take the time to make constructive posts and help others with their strategy. Playing in tournaments and winning prizes does not contribute to building the community. Yes, some of TA have played a big part and if I had to identify people from TA who have helped the most it would probably be Pinder/EdgE to a certain extent for good posts, Fourby a regular donator (who recently joined TA), Paroxysm who organised many events and most recently Edarus who is helping organise the BSGCL.

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"freedom of speech"

If there wasn't any this thread wouldn't exist.

basically its brought up continuously by del/deth their friends. I call them "friends" and not "TA" because i have nothing against TA nor do i hold any grudges because they belong to TA. Most of TA are perfectly fine people and if they post something negative I attribute it to be because they are supporting their friends out of friendship and that is what good friends do. Why is this so? Because in over 30,000 posts there have been no other people who were not from TA who have had any problems whatsoever with the way sc2sea is run. If you remove del/deth related posts there would be 0 posts with people who have a problem.

This also ties in with the freedom of speech / expression argument. Apart from del/deth/zanoku/uncletom/Mancannon I have never had to delete anyones posts. When faced with the predicament of "preserving someones freedom of speech" or "deleting the thread for the good of the community" the later we be chosen every single time and its not close at all.

1. I don't want people to open threads and see it derailed with battles of personal opinions/ "freedom of speech".
Case in point - KPoP thread. An exciting thread with potential for meetups with the community turned into an immature battle of musical preference.

2. I dont want people to be offended by racist / sexual remarks and then "decide for themselves if they are offended by it"
Case in point - ManCannon's constant sexual remarks about kelly

3. I dont want the reputation system to be abused, however vulnerable it may inherently be.
Tagging certain people actually proved to be amazing deterrent to stop the abuse even though i copped so much shit at the start for implementing it. The reputation system is now used so much better as evidenced in this thread. See this thread http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=2011

That thread is a perfect example of how people can express opinions but still keep it civil, and it becomes a good read. It never derails into immaturity or personal attacks and this is the way "difference of opinions" should be communicated. These are in my opinion what makes forms good, a pleasant environment people can enjoy which produces good feelings rather than a troll filled preservation of everyone's opinion. Other sites who dont have harsh moderation CG, BA etc will suffer, sc2sea will not. TL will not. There are ways to bring across the same message rather than being so overtly negative.