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See, it's posts like these which are truly a waste of time.

Originally Posted by frequency

She's an idiot, and so is her boyfriend.

You blindly ignored the fact that what I quoted was written by John Gottman, not her, or her boyfriend. So your absent opinion on the two of them contributed absolutely NOTHING to this thread, and ironically, that's the exact topic the post was addressing.

Originally Posted by Unstable

I'm Trying to figure out if you just don't understand what is needed to grow something like this, or are just against any criticism whatsoever.

I'm pretty sure I have a fairly good idea considering I spent the last entire decade doing just that.

I have never said this was a waste of time for an event.

I don't know where this came from, I never accused you of that.

and to see someone with the financial backing coming in and completely wasting it. is unnacceptable.

I think there's a very big difference between "wasting" and "not fully capitalising." If we did not meet with Nick Popov and highlight all of their mistakes, and guide them towards a more successful future event, then it would have been a complete waste. But we did meet with him. And he is aware of their mistakes, their lack of promotion, their short notice, their lack of stream and coverage, everything. So it wasn't all for nothing. We now have an opportunity to work closely with Nick to ensure the next event is done 100% correctly. To me, I see that as a very valuable and successful building block. You can whinge and complain that it "should have been done right the first time" but it's a fact of life. Nothing's ever perfect straight out of the box.

So lets look at the NRG event with $25,000 in prizes etc. Thats $25,000 that saw a total of about 200 people (im doubling up numbers due to qualifiers etc) that were directly involved. Add in live updates + live coverage. i see at least 500k unique hits. and this is a conservative number considering the last fxo event for $1500 had 200k hits

Just to be clear, their goals most definitely don't align with FXO's goals. They just wanted to generate local hype with this event. They got more than they bargained for when interstate players started showing up. (Incidentally some articles appeared on websites such as ESFI World anyway.)

What is the point in that.............. People will not care about just results to something unless they had no interest in watching the event anyway and just want to see who won. Keeping spectators in the loop. I mean cmon dude, updating challonge and having a link to it in the OP of TL/sc2sea etc is really hard? its 10x easier to what they were doing at the event.

I'm just going to ask you to read my previous post again because this entire paragraph is invalid. I wasn't suggesting how things should be, I was just explaining how things have been for the past 12 years. It really frustrates me when I write something clearly and I'm taken for an idiot when someone doesn't read it properly.

If an event is to succeed in todays environment, these kinds of things are not just needed, they are critical to an events success. . SO if people want the event to be a success they SHOULD expect it.

Of course, I never suggested otherwise. I was merely pointing out that there was uproar over the lack of live coverage when this sort of thing has never happened in any local Australian event before. If this doesn't make sense, please say so and I'll clarify further with a list of examples.

WHAT? dude no, close your mouth before you embarass yourself.

There's no need to be rude.

Like i said above, no infastructure limitations exist for their event. it is 100% doable. and same benefits? where would the following be

Sorry I didn't mean to imply a specific event, I just meant for StarCraft 2 in general. I think I worded that poorly though.


Now I'm going to do my best to be as succinct as possible here in clarifying each and every point I've been trying to make:

* I'm not saying negative feedback is bad or useless. It's valuable. Critical, even.

* "____ is f_cking shit" does not qualify as feedback. It's just blind raging. The article I linked in my previous post explains this very clearly.

* I've watched the rise and fall of dozens of Australian "eSports ventures" over the last decade. It's all well and good to put in whatever effort you can squeeze in after your 9-5 each day, but I worked directly under WCG, Samsung, CBN Media, Blizzard Entertainment and various other pillars for nearly a whole decade. 15+ hours a day, 7 days a week. I was commentating huge cash tournaments on a stage in front of thousands of people in the Melbourne Exhibition Center 7 years ago. I was employed full-time to fly around the country and co-ordinate qualifiers for global events and amongst it all - I can guarantee you that each and every time, it was community negativity that caused the scene to crash. There was always plenty of money, plenty of sponsors and plenty of interest. But these communities tore themselves apart. And they were a lot bigger and a lot closer than the current SC2 community is.

* And thus, the reason I'm so enthusiastically begging people to keep a clear, mature and constructive state of mind is to avoid yet another repetition in this historical cycle of failure. I simply don't want to see it happen again with another game. Work together, don't flame eachother, and most importantly, don't trash talk the people who fail to deliver perfection the first time they try their hand at something. Everything comes with time and experience.