[Nemo]

Notorious, can you confirm you talked to Wallace and that things are cleared up in your opinion ?

[jayaiwhy]

LiFeWiRe

http://drop.sc/188261

He triple pylon blocked me, that's fine because he saw my overlord coming into his base,

BUT

around 7:20 and around 11:00 obvious glance at my main

+blind cannon + stargate cancel when I was making mutas

Quick Comments

	nirvAnA:
	mGGNemesis:	apparently he made lots of ppl mad last evening :/

[AlopexToT]

talking about LiFeWiRe i have a rep against him as well,
didn't know he was hacking at the time just thought he was very very bad.

http://drop.sc/188668

also he knows chinese as well where he referred my clan ToT as "bangzi"
and its an offensive word to koreans :S

[x5.NotoriouS]

Originally Posted by Nemo

Notorious, can you confirm you talked to Wallace and that things are cleared up in your opinion ?

Hihi hadn't checked this in ages.

just want to confirm that Wallace isn't a hacker.

I happened to play him on ladder again on one of my other accs about a month ago~ he did the same 2 gate in his own base build..

So my apoligies. It's just his build.

Quick Comments

iVnStinger:

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by pRoNotoriouS

Hihi hadn't checked this in ages.

just want to confirm that Wallace isn't a hacker.

I happened to play him on ladder again on one of my other accs about a month ago~ he did the same 2 gate in his own base build..

So my apoligies. It's just his build.

Case closed then.

For LiFeWiRe, thanks for the added testimonies, Alopex and jayaiwhy.

[Dumbledore]

http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do...load=1&blind=1

device on EU ladder = obvious maphacker

[NvRossi]

When multiple people already think someone hacks based off their online experiences with someone (not too common in my circle) as well as his lack of LAN qualifications based off references from
Xavi: “ loses to nobodies at perth LANs”
Yang: “[2:26:57 AM] yang: he barely plays and when he shows up to lan he loses, then plays in the masters cup after weeks of not playing and has perfect decision making? seems suss”

A discussion between us followed by the analysis of some his replays we all came to the same agreement. Here is our evidence. He is damned in our eyes already but we will present our evidence for you to make your own judgements. If you’re going to respond to this please do so objectively and having actually watched all the games in order to make an educated decision. This level of analysis is necessary as this is extremely serious in our eyes.


I’ll be analysing his tvps vs Yang and tvts vs myself from the previous masters cup ( a series in which a TA member notified me he was listed as a spectator in the streams observers)

Mafia is analysing his tvz’s vs Enderr and Targa is analysing his tvz’s vs Mafia. These are the only reps we have looked at so far.

Targa's Analysis

Hacker analysis by TargA, Mafia vs asgchobo series.


Mafia vs asgchobo Shakuras game:


link: http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=1257

5:05 stares a long time at the overlord that spots the proxy raxes

knows that he has to commit, if not it will look too obvious.

6:12 sees 2 spines and 2 queens, pulls back everything

we had a discussion with terrans and zergs, if you see 2 spines and 2 queens you still commit cause this usually means the zerg has no units, and 20 scvs 14 marines kills queens without energy and spines really fast. At this point Mafia was pumping out lings and had speed almost finished. Chobo did not see the lings.

7:05 kinda suspect that he keeps calm and and doesnt raise his supply depots when the ling counter attack is coming. Imo, he knows exactly how many lings are coming. He even keeps one of his raxes lifted, when in reality a ton of lings and banelings could be coming and that would mean game over.

11:50 takes the 6o clock expand, cause he knows that mafia is making infestors, chobo has 2 engineering bays but no turrets, still havent scanned or scouted mafias base.

12:50 lifts up his wall, makes reactors, and takes the 4th. He has no idea what Mafia is doing ( this is also the timing where a ling bling muta attack would happen) , chobo has no tanks and is sitting calm with his marines.

He also moves his marines down, still no map control/ vision.

14:00 Was gonna send 2 drop ships to mafias main,but knows that mafia has that covered with overlords, he sends them to mafias 5th that was about to be made, he sends the drop so mafias overlord doesnt see it.

15:10 mafias great spire is building, chobo ( still has no map vision or knows what mafia is doing) scans mafias main, and then his natural. Right after he drops 3 starports. Imo he does this so it doesnt look suspect.

16:45 stims a bunch of units to avoid mafia burrowing his ling at the 5th base. Makes a turret too to avoid burrowed infestors.

18:20 hits the money scan right on top of all of mafias unit and spines(3rd time he scanned this game)

19:10 chobo has a sensor tower, mafia backs, chobo follows the units in the fog, moves the vikings to kill the broods and then scans. (thats not how its supposed to be done)

from 19:30 – 20:30 he has no map control even though he could easily claim it with marines (in theory) then he drops two scans sees everything.

21:20 repositions his units when mafia is moving out, doesnt spread his units at all even though there are red dots on the mini map from the sensor towers ( I would be ******* afraid of the infestors)

after the big fight, keeps making vikings ( normally a zerg would tech switch to ultras, mafia had a large bank and making more broods/ corruptors is not normal)

25:00 hits money scan

rest of the game: lots of money scans, hes always controlling his units when mafia attacks. (When I watch the best terrans in the world play they are almost never controlling their units when zerg attacks, always a delay in reaction, this guys reacts before mafia attacks)

Game 2 mafia vs asgchobo daybreak

link: http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=1258

proxy 2 rax, mafia sees the 2nd scv, all though mafia doesnt react to it, most terrans at this point would abort the proxy 2 rax and instead do a proxy 1 rax pressure.

3:50 he pulls his units back before he sees the drones coming

His army positioning is constantly weird, most likely knows exactly when the lings come out.

Game 3 mafia vs asgchobo ohana

link: http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=1259

he was gonna do some crazy bad all in, but mafia sends in the overlord and scouts it. He aborts the all in, builds 2 !!! command centers without knowing what mafia is doing, he has no map control even tho he has hellions ( he has them idle at the defensive watch tower) He knows that mafia took gas, so in theory, 30 lings could be in coming.

7:11 stops making hellions, only has 3. floats factory away from reactor.

8:25 after barely watching over his hellions, mafia sends out 2 lings, he doesnt hunt down the lings with his hellions right away, instead he sends 5 marines to block it at the rocks of the 4th base. He keeps a few marines at his natural ramp to kill the other ling. He also moves back his hellions and at this point mafia has 33 lings.

At the same time he rallies the viking directly to the overlord hiding behind mafias natural.

9:40 scans mafias base, sees the spire. (remember how he didnt do this game 1? ) He also started his engineering bays right after mafia started his spire.

During all this time he sends his viking around the map, always finding a overlord.

13:20 moves his marines to kill mutas before he could see them

At the same time, he clumps up all his units, he has no unit spread and his only map vision is the defensive tower, which does not give u enough time to spread out ur tanks (which are unsieged) and marines if mafia decided to do a 3 base baneling ling muta push. Instead hes calm as ice.

~14 min mark he loads up 2 medivacs full of marines, he first rallies them to mafias 3rd, after mafia runs past all of chobos units, he decides to chase ( mark of a terrible player that knows exactly what ur doing) and send his 2 medivacs to mafias 4th which he did not know of.

~15 min mark he pushes the 4th, sieges his tanks up at a weird postionings ( because mafia is about to attack)

He continues to rally units, at a point where most terrans would pick up their units and back off, but during the game mafia has been sloppy with injects and therefor have no larva to remax even though hes banking quite a bit.

After killing the 4th and backing up, clearing up the counter attack, he moves around a bit, and mafia has all his units in the middle. He loads up 2 medivacs send them to mafias main, he hits a money scan again, moves up to mafias old 4th. Unloads medivacs in main, and moves his camera back to his main force when mafia decides to attack. He also sent a small force of marines and a tank to kill mafias new 4th.

Targa: In summary I am 100% sure that chobo maphacks and production tab hacks, it is evident in his scans, his army positioning and how he plays

Mafia's Analysis

ZvT Replay Enderr vs Chobo [Ohana LE]

7:03 - 7:04 : Looks at Bunker ready to salvage and leaves before queens even get there to attack.

7:40 - 7:42 : Looks at Enderr's base through fog of war, see's the gas, but moves his camera up more to make sure he saw everything.

9:55 - 9:56 : Sends rally point from Starport(Viking in production) straight to the overlord on the right hand side of his base,

9:57 - 9:58 : Realises that theres another overlord at the bottom left of his base which is closer and would scout his 3rd command centre plus tech so changes his rally to kill that one instead.

10:42 - 10:47 : Rally point of Viking goes directly aimed through 4 overlords on the map.

11:28 - 11:29 : Is planning on taking his 3rd, looks at his third realises there's a ling there and kills it with his hellions before lifting his cc.

11:47 - 11:50 : Notices how he sends his hellions straight but immediately realises theres 1 ling coming to the 4th base so changes the direction of his hellions to kill it.

12:26 - 12:29 : Selects Viking and redoes his attack rally straight through 2 overlords on the map.

12:45 - 12:50 : Notices 1 ling attacking his 3rd, immediately realises my opponent knows I have a 3rd, what's he gonna do is he gonna attack me? So moves his camera to the watchtower where Enderr's units are to see if hes in threat.

13:00 - 13:07 : Notice how Enderr has some lings on the map moving to his 3rd and he puts down 3 supply depots conveniently to prevent runbys from happening.

13:22 - 13:30 : Controls his hellions and positions them perfectly way before he even sees any lings on the minimap.

14:40 - 15:00 : Moves out of his base with his army, but purposely leaves some marines behind and rallys to his natural because he knows that there are units positioned at the 4th.

16:00 : This far into the game hes had 3 Orbitals and a viking has not scouted his opponents base to see if hes going mutas at all, what kind of retarded terran doesn't afraid of mutas makes 0 turrets. At this point all he has seen on the minimap is 2 hatcheries 1 pool and 1 extractor.

16:46 - 16:48 : The 3rd time he selects his viking all game, his rally pathing goes straight through 2 overlords and 3 zerglings(which are the only things on the whole right hand side of the map) pretty godly starsense.

16:54 - 16:59 : Notice how he selects his SCV because there are 40 zerglings at his 4th he looks there before knowing theres anything there.

17:18 - 17:24 : Notice how his 2 medivacs are already rallied but because he realises he's flying past either an overlord or a zergling he is planning to change the direction of his medivacs but then once they get closer he realises it's only a zergling so he's just ignoring it and going back on course.

19:39 - 19:40 : He directly pinpoints his army movement to where the zergs army is just infront of.


Rossi's Analysis

G1 yang vs asgchobo bel’shir beach
This game is relatively clean. I can’t really critique this game too much as its too short and he simply hits a strong timing. He plays extremely confidently this game and his build wins it for him.
G2 yang vs asgchobo cloud kingdom

At 4:30 after staring at his scv for a few seconds he beautifully times his scv to go to the side and attempt to enter yangs base completely bypassing the stalker that proceeds to exit through the front to the tower. Could certainly be a coincidence.
7:50ish
Finishes his wall perfectly in time for yangs offensive 3 gate pressure, Suss but still perfectly ok.
9:50ish Accuracy of rallies for finding both pylons is extremely suspect. He even neglects to scout the entire area fully. Raises my eyebrows
12:04 very suspect glance through fog of war, then proceeds directly to the 3rd of yangs
Note: (This guy really doesn’t like to keep watch towers)
Other than that, relative low key and normal game progresses and he proceeds to win comfortably.


Tvt game 1 vs myself korhal compound
Neither of us scout, quite normal. He does not attempt
He does not scan… quite abnormal.
6:40 + He sends his banshee towards the main. From my view I am positioning marines in attempt to be prepared for any drop or banshee shenanigans. He immediately however changes decision and decides to go for a runaround attacking from a rather obscure angle. I’d say this attack was quite brave.
The way he attacks my base is quite pre-determined… he could simply be assuming I have a expansion however. He is playing incredibly blind nonetheless.

10:15 that is some sick turret timing, well positioned too!
Still no towers and very little scouting by 13 minutes.
The rest of the game proceeds fairly normally. Only other evidence is his rather suspect and confident unit movements as well as complete lack of tower grabbing which are prevalent throughout all his games.

Tvt game 2 vs myself on antiga shipyard
Chobo’s choice of build certainly confuses me this game. It is incredibly safe and definitely hard counters what I am attempting to do. (Raven vs first gas first cloak banshee) and is otherwise quite an uncommon build.

12 minutes very surprised at how he is confident to sit unsieged.
13:25 amazing scan directly on top of my army at the xel’naga tower. (EYEBROWS RAISED)
The game from here ends quite abruptly.

Rossi: I may appear to be nit-picking, but after looking at other games I feel these are the points where he has slipped up in his attempts to hide his rather concealed map hacks.

replay pack : http://www.mediafire.com/?krq49m2r9mlgdx4

Quick Comments

	iM MaFia:	ez game huh
	dippa:	tireless sir appreciated efforts your are
	Champi:	100% maphacker, he's always been a shadey player but this evidence is concrete
	nGenLight:	First person witness of all the effort in producing this summary
	SanG:	collectively, this does seem suspicious >.<
	Satu:	You've put a lot of effort into this, seems legit
	x5.Revenant:	Pretty sure he production hacks after watching the replay+reading analysis

[iM MaFia]

When I lost 3-0 to Chobo in Masters Cup final, yang asked me afterwards and said what do you think about Chobo... my reply and first instinct was, this guy has the best decision making and tactics ive seen from a SEA terran and probably from anyone ive played...

But a few days later ppl were saying he is suss and it led to us re watching some of the replays and when Rossi pointed out one thing to me ( When chobo backed off his scvs when he was commiting to an allin with only seeing 2 queens and 2 spines ) I definately thought it was very weird and was almost certain during that game he saw my lings.

So I went to watch the replay myself and indeed he didn't see the lings and that led to make me believe he hacked, so I went to download enderr vs chobos replay and little did I know I found so much evidence.

Quick Comments

	nirvAnA:	Repping Mafia for his absolute boss analysis above
	Zepph:

[TargA]

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=342248 Im guessing its something similar to this with a production tab hack.

[nGenLight]

Is this guy YaMaMa?

This sh*t be getting serious yo.

Quick Comments

AxSGRiM:

yes

[Peleus]

Thanks for putting the effort into reviewing the material. I urge people to reach their own conclusions, and will check it out when I get home and have time to look. The evidence presented looks pretty bad (for Chobo) though.

[inFeZa]

Epic analysis post Rossi, Mafia & Targa. We need more thinkers like you guys in this community.

[iM tgun]

Even though I agree that Chobo has been very sus for a long time, please guys, watch the replays before you make your decision to agree with the players above.

Quick Comments

	nirvAnA:	This right here
	xGKingdelete:
	CHoBo(kice):	I still respect you!

[SLCN.Kez]

Grab ya torch and pitchforks boys!

[AxSGRiM]

seems like the US scene is catching up with Spades Hacking. ^ LETS GO

[ROOT`iaguz]

Will edit this post as I watch more reps, currently using it as a notebook. Accusing someone who cashes a tourney of hacking is extremely serious.

G1 TvT vs Rossi. I didn't see too much weird here. If he knows anything about rossi he knows that he is a very frequent 1 rax FE into 3 rax player. The way he moves his banshee around and runs in his hellions makes a lot of sense. I imagine chobo plays extremely gay like that and is a frequent user of such a tactic and such quick decision making makes sense.

His turret placement in his main to deter your double drop is logical enough. He sends a dropship upon a mirrored path into your base at the same time he makes it. It is the most typical path people send their dropships too.

When he's running his marine/tank around his control is logical enough. At one point he scans, sees nothing in one area then almost walks into a bunch of marine tank and backs up sharpish. He does have a really good tactical sense with how he's handling a lot of his shit (and then he goes on to lose that game so... lol?).

The main thing I thought was fishy was when his army in the natural gets scouted so he throws out a scan and sees rossi's units. Whilst it's extremely common to read a scan as 'I'm going to be attacked soon/he's thinking of attacking' and that's sensible enough, his response (particularly the fact he doesn't man the watchtower) is a bit weird. But I'm not convinced at all going off this replay.

g2 vs Rossi on antiga. His cloakshee read is actually rather sensible. He spots your 2nd gas going up with his scv and judging by when your marine pops out he can read a 12 gas 13 rax opening. Gas first, fast second gas, cloak banshee is extremely likely. Most gas first builds featuring a wall off and a marine are generally that. His units aren't optimally positioned the stop your banshee when it hits. So far it's pretty normal.

His scan at 13:30 is a little bit fishy as his the confident army movements considering he has 0 information on where any of your shit is. Not sure if enough to suggest hacking but it is a touch fishy.

G1 and 2 vs TargA. Nothing weird here, just standard really gay marine scv all ins that TargA loses to that probably comprises most of Chobo's play. The positionings are logical enough, overlords rarely go that way at that time on ohana, and most zergs don't check the watchtower on daybreak. Even then, no amount of maphacks are going to tell you how a zerg will scout before you plant both those raxes.

G1 vs Yang. Yang scouts a 2 rax and then dies to it. Ok? Chobo scouts a highly likely 1 gate FE opening (it could almost be 4 gate, but the fact Yang made 3 pylons suggests it will not. Unless yang likes bad 4 gate BO's. A two rax with good micro can probably beat a bad 4 gate build maybe?) Nothing weird at all here.

G2 vs Yang. Chobo's scout timing is sensible enough. He has a pretty good timing sense of when the stalker is out and probably on the map. And if not, well, tis only an scv he'd lose. Nothing wrong at all there.

His wall off timing vs the 3 gate pressure is extremely fortunate but that's all it is. Fortunate. Note that he starts the first rax of the wall off well before he could make a read (assuming he's hacking) that that sort of pressure is hacking. Also note that he was at 49/54 supply when he threw those 2 depots down. He needs to make 2 depots to ensure that he's not getting blocked.

at 11:00, he zooms in and out to try and see an observer. Someone who is hacking wouldn't have to do that. Maybe it's something thrown in to try and make you think he's not hacking but it's something. His proxy pylon search makes sense (he does miss a small patch of ground, true, but that's probably because he's just bad)

at 16:30 he loads up a doom drop underneath an observer and promptly flies into a pylon. Just what a hacker would do!

at 17:30 he throws a scan that misses yangs army compeltely. Just what a hacker would do!

Barely anything suspicious in these two games I think. Chobo just did the right things and yang lost I guess I dunno.

VS ender on metropolis. He's not prepared for 6 lings at the start. A hacker would have that bunker loaded up in time. He's also busy trying to hunt an overlord that's currently in the corner of the map. A hacker would know that.

at 7:40 an overlord scouts his base. A hacker could see the dot and realise that he'd have to position marines to stop that.

His first viking goes around trying to find overlords. A hacker would know where they are and where they are not. Eventually he finds it, but it's at a sensible position to look so w/e.

His doom drop is sensible enough. That's a bitch of a position to defend, he's cleared the ovies out with his viking and he can intuit that with roaches and a 3rd like that there'll be no mutas or infestors to **** it up. Nothing weird at all.

at 15 he's got a group of marines slaughtering lings and roaches. A good engage for him! then fungals plop on all his marines. A hacker would know that there was infestors there. he did not.

at 20 he completely misses enders army when he moves out and then runs over burrowed banes. At this point I've turned the replay off. No hacker runs over burrowed banelings! Nothing so far suggests he has hacked, he's making good and bad decisions. I think Chobo just had a really good run on sunday.

VS ENDER ON OHANA

double bunker wall off chobo? A dishonourable move

7:03-4 he salvages it just as the queens start to attack it, watch it again Tim. He can also safely guess there's no speedling tech finished yet because he saw when the first gas started

7:42 He does look through fog of war but I think that's to double check to confirm how much he knows about enders possible tech. He may also have been thinking about doing a scan but decided not to. I've done this before myself. Also if he has production tab hacks then there would be no reason to look at enders base to know what tech he has and what amount of gas he has or even how many geysers he has with maphacks.

Where he rallies his vikings is the 2 areas where zergs always position overlords on this map you don't even have to scout them. It's a little weird he changes the direction of the rally though, I'll give you that, but you can guarantee that 100% of the time zergs have overlords in those 2 positions. His viking also just moves around the whole map clearing overlords. There's absolutely nothing weird about how his viking is countering overlords.

@11:28... huh? I don't see what you mean tim. It's a very common practice to check for lings at your 3rd before you float your CC there. Nothing strange at all.

@12:45 this was kind of weird. He looks up at his viking as it passes over the watchtower, but he looks after it's gone over the tower and doesn't seen his viking back to take another look. This is really strange I'll grant you that.

@ 13:30 yea... that is a little strange. I mean he does have 3 depots going up and it makes sense that you'd have to guard them from possible ling run bys but it's weird that after a long while of not doing anything with hellions he moves them over a little and hey there's lings there how 'bout that?

@ 14:40 being worried about counter attacks and leaving a few units behind is just standard practice.

@ 16:00 He'd spotted enders 3rd hatchery at 10 minutes with his hellions. It's not a huge leap of logic from there to assume that an economically battered zerg who is trying to double expand is not teching into mutalisks any time soon. Considering how active chobo was on the map, I think he anti-muta plan is to keep playing, if there's mutas the first thing they'll do is go for one of my attacking units at which point I'll make turrets.

But you are right he definitely should make at least 1 turret at each base. Not sure if good game sense, luck or hacks.

Again I don't think there's anything godly starsense about his viking. He flies it around to clear overlords like a normal terran. Ender puts out overlords for him to kill. He only flies the viking in safe areas so queens don't kill it and infestors probably won't either. It's just sensible terran play.

@16:54 no he doesn't. He has an scv finish making a depot but it finishes on the wrong side. He sees it, selects it, scrolls down to get it back to mining and oh shit zerglings.. There's nothing weird about that at all.

@17:18 it's a bit weird he reissues the move commands for his dropships, but you'll note he just moves through the zergling anyway, so..... ok? Not sure what to make of that really.

@19:39 I think at this point he knows there's no way he could lose this game so he's just doing a huge mass a move. It could easily be that. He rallies all his production because why not? He's insanely ahead at this point and he knows it.



My conclusion with Chobo is that he could potentially be a hacker, its' definitely possible and I don't blame people for thinking that, but there's not definitive enough proof in my eyes that he is. He seems to be one of those goody/elfi/SjoW types who does like 10,000 things like a retard but 5,000 weird but incredibly correct things and manages to win games.

Watched the mafia daybreak game. He's not hacking at all. For a start, 11/11 seems a weird strategy for a hacker to do seeing as it's incredibly all in/risky but w/e this is just speculation from me.

Mafia sees his scv but doesn't react to it. Chobo waits until he's sure the drone hasn't scouted his raxes, assumes that mafia assumes that it's a scouting scv and starts the second rax. He sits on the watch tower to confirm this. 'Most' terrans might only go for proxy 1 rax but clearly chobo is not most terrans.

And he sees the drones coming down the ramp when he starts retreating his marines. He keeps his marines back a bit because this is the response he is looking for from mafia. Remember this guy 11/11's a LOT of ******* times. He's honed it

EDIT- watched the shakuras game...

Ok what the **** was that shit. really.

Quick Comments

	Snx.FigJig:
	nirvAnA:	<3 the neutral analysis and thx for highlighting the missed scans and other stuff hackers wont do
	xGKingdelete:
	Zealo:	terran analysis of terran
	x5.Revenant:	Ok what the **** was that shit. really.

[NvRossi]

Originally Posted by xGKingiaguz

Will edit this post as I watch more reps, currently using it as a notebook. Accusing someone who cashes a tourney of hacking is extremely serious.

G1 TvT vs Rossi. I didn't see too much weird here. If he knows anything about rossi he knows that he is a very frequent 1 rax FE into 3 rax player. The way he moves his banshee around and runs in his hellions makes a lot of sense. I imagine chobo plays extremely gay like that and is a frequent user of such a tactic and such quick decision making makes sense.

His turret placement in his main to deter your double drop is logical enough. He sends a dropship upon a mirrored path into your base at the same time he makes it. It is the most typical path people send their dropships too.

When he's running his marine/tank around his control is logical enough. At one point he scans, sees nothing in one area then almost walks into a bunch of marine tank and backs up sharpish. He does have a really good tactical sense with how he's handling a lot of his shit (and then he goes on to lose that game so... lol?).

The main thing I thought was fishy was when his army in the natural gets scouted so he throws out a scan and sees rossi's units. Whilst it's extremely common to read a scan as 'I'm going to be attacked soon/he's thinking of attacking' and that's sensible enough, his response (particularly the fact he doesn't man the watchtower) is a bit weird. But I'm not convinced at all going off this replay.

g2 vs Rossi on antiga. His cloakshee read is actually rather sensible. He spots your 2nd gas going up with his scv and judging by when your marine pops out he can read a 12 gas 13 rax opening. Gas first, fast second gas, cloak banshee is extremely likely. Most gas first builds featuring a wall off and a marine are generally that. His units aren't optimally positioned the stop your banshee when it hits. So far it's pretty normal.

His scan at 13:30 is a little bit fishy as his the confident army movements considering he has 0 information on where any of your shit is. Not sure if enough to suggest hacking but it is a touch fishy.

agreed, the tvz's are the real evidence, but it was worth looking at all material

[inFeZa]

Let me just say one thing, And make it clear for everyone.

IF YOU CHEAT IN STARCRAFT YOU WILL GET CAUGHT.

Quick Comments

	AxSGRiM:	thx captain ;p
	syfMiley:	They gon find you!

[TABiggun]

I would just like to quote a paragraph from the recent Spades thread because it is very relevent.

Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=342248

Before starting... for those of you who don't know, the latest maphacks on the internet block your camera on the last place visited when u are looking at some place u haven't got ANY kind of vision on, so that if people watch the replays they don't find it so evident that you are hacking. Camera block situations should be taken as moments where the camera is COMPLETELY frozen but no action is being made, they are easy to spot because most progamers are constantly moving around with the mouse, and almost never leave their camera at the exact same spot, if they do, it's just for about 1-2 seconds.


This is exactly what is happening throughout Chobo's games. It is clearly evident in the Mafia vs Chobo game on shakuras. Chobo looks into the main and then just randomly pauses for a moment with no actions at 5:30 as a baneling nest is being constructed and I also noted this was happening throughout many of the replays; a random pause with no actions. In sc2gears i looked throughout that time at his actions and there was no right click with his scvs on the mineral patches or anything, just a random look into the main and then natural.

Here are some more of my observations:

A piece of what I would consider incriminating evidence would be the way he pulls most of his scvs with his marines and gets to mafia's ramp (in mafia vs chobo on shakuras). Chobo is going for 4 rax off one base with scv pull. Then, when he reaches the ramp in his vision there are only 2 queens and 2 spine crawlers. Yet he then pulls back his entire army and scvs for no apparent reason. What I believe happened here is that when he looked at the ramp with the queens and spines, he could see with map hacks that there was a huge group of lings waiting there for him, but he didn't realise that this could not be seen in his actual vision.

Also, if you watch all of Chobo's TvZs he plays completely blind the whole game whenever the zerg goes infestors. Yet on the shakuras game when Mafia was morphing a greater spire he scans both the main and the natural. And on the Ohana game he also scans Mafia's main when he is building a spire. In all other games there were no scans and no scouting, and in all these games the zerg went infestors.

Another very strange sequence of events is from around 19:50 in the replay of chobo vs ender on metropolis. Chobo scans to remove a burrowed ling from under his CC at the 4th base. He then moves his army over some burrowed banelings towards the watch tower. Ender's army is then visible to be attacking towards chobo's 4th base so he pulls back his army over the burrowed banes. Then, his camera is looking straight at Enders army during Ender's detonation of the burrowed banelings. It appears that he did not see the detonation. Ender's army was attacking a turret as the detonation happened so there was a "we are under attack" notification and the only other things is a ping on the minimap. Chobo then runs his army over the the 4th base and chases Ender's army away and at 20:30 throws down a scan right on top of the burrowed banelings just before his army passes over it.
Also, its interesting to note he issued a move command to the tower, then ordered his army to move back to his base, then another order to move back out towards the towers before he put down his random scan. This is just a very random sequence of events that doesn't make sense to me.

In conclusion, there are things which look sus in any players games but these are few and far between. But when there are so many really strange decisions and suspect gameplay . . . it just doesn't make sense.

[CHoBo(kice)]

That spectator asgchobo in the twitch channel would have been my gf on my account. That would be a real stupid thing if I was gonna stream cheat because you could be anonymous.

Wow I knew the guys from cR were hatin' coz I didn't join their team because of commitments... but this is just wow... makes me feel disgusted...

I know tgun may not be my biggest fan but to come out and say make your own conclusions... this is well amazing, at least he knows that the 3 cc is pretty common build from me if I don't do some super cheesy build.

I did poke up the ramp, while I could win, I could also lose. My decision to pull back because I wanted to make an entertaining game, to show I can go from a all in, scv train back to my base and out macro to take the win.

I am not gonna replay to all the accusations because it would be just a waste of my time.

Quick Comments

	Champi:	how come sometimes ur english is broken and sometimes it is not? i am confuse
	iM tgun:	I will say, I have had my own preconceptions about you cheating, which is why I'm not going to chime in on these replays (as I'm going to be biased).
	TAEdgE:	what ******* cR guys? sang and dippa had 1 line rep comments?
	VoxMSI.Rogue:	lol dont put hate onto an entire team because YOU are being questioned mate
	syfMiley:	cR are mates, not food. (or haters)
	neKo:	We were hatin'? wut.
	TASlowHands:	I can count IM, xgking, SQL, TA and NV players all looking at your replays. Pretty ******* shitty defense singling out a group of people lol
	x5.Revenant:	This guy sounds so fking full of himself.
	cRSenSei:	what the heck are you on about we are hatin'?