[Nemo]

Originally Posted by Spartaz

Just saying that this thread, kinda has destroyed my trust in the game. Even at the slightest sign of a "Hacker" I just dont feel the same as I once did. It really sucks tbh. Although I do still appreciate the amazing game sense by some players though (:

Should be the contrary mate. Thanks to this thread, every map hacker on SEA could now fear the public shame of being caught. It sure makes the SEA server a better place to play.

[ToRSpartaz]

Originally Posted by Nemo

Should be the contrary mate. Thanks to this thread, every map hacker on SEA could now fear the public shame of being caught. It sure makes the SEA server a better place to play.

Yeah, but ALWAYS im on the lookout in the community for these people >.<

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by Spartaz

Yeah, but ALWAYS im on the lookout in the community for these people >.<

Haha, you don't need to. They are quite rare and they will be revealed quickly enough, don't worry. One day or another they will cross the road of the Hackerbane Timber and be revealed.

[crAzerk]

Originally Posted by Zealo

what do you suggest for replays that are 'suspicious', but not conclusive? i think it's worth having somewhere to post them so other people can check their replays against that player; if they really are hacking it's about the only way to gather evidence.

Show them to your friends / clanmates first. I remember several cases in this thread where the accuser (person submitting a replay) actually consulted his clan mates first, and after the consensus is that it's highly sus then you can post them here.But do try to get multiple replays rather than just one suspicious replay as mentioned earlier.
And if all your friends actually agree that the replay is HIGHLY suspicious, you could post it here even if it's just one, BUT as I've said, it's always better to have more than one replay for better support.

The fact is most players (above a certain skill level) are able to 'detect suspicious play', it doesn't take a genius or some veteran to classify it as suspicious. The problem is each of us would naturally have some kind of bias + imperfect information (e.g. you don't know all the reactions of every race), which is why we encourage you to get just a few others to check out the replay as well first, before making such a heavy accusation of hacking.

And the rationale for requiring multiple replays for suspicious (and not blatant) behavior has been explained multiple times in the past 2 pages, just have a look. You can't just base judgement off one game.
I still remember one particular ladder game I was abit bored and I just stared at random points in the fog in early parts of the game - until I suddenly thought 'oh shit what if this guy accuses me of maphacking?' and so I stopped it. Stuff like that.

[iM yang]

Originally Posted by Spartaz

Just saying that this thread, kinda has destroyed my trust in the game. Even at the slightest sign of a "Hacker" I just dont feel the same as I once did. It really sucks tbh. Although I do still appreciate the amazing game sense by some players though (:

I have never been in one of my games and gone 'this guy must be hacking'. I'm too busy focussed on my own play to even care if they were hacking or not. I'm of the opinion that even if they are hacking you should be able to beat them as whatever they can do, somebody can do in a regular game against you so why even both suspected them of hacking. :P

[Rockstar]

Watching Meatex's replay once through normally, then once through with production tab open and keeping an eye on minerals and probe production leads me to believe that he may be hacking. It's circumstantial and more replays of similar circumstances are needed before it's conclusive.

Any and all advantage he gains from his FFE opening is lost when he spends copious amounts of minerals on static defence and cuts probe production. If this is his standard FFE opening it is a very poor choice of builds and he would have next to no chance of winning against a competent macro zerg... Which is the standard reaction to the FFE.

edit: just before the roaches are in vision he selects his sentry and probe and moves them back. before this he hadn't moved them at all.

extra edit: Nothing was stopping him from attempting a secondary scout on Meatex's natural to be sure it was a 1base all-in

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by SQL.yang

I have never been in one of my games and gone 'this guy must be hacking'. I'm too busy focussed on my own play to even care if they were hacking or not. I'm of the opinion that even if they are hacking you should be able to beat them as whatever they can do, somebody can do in a regular game against you so why even both suspected them of hacking. :P

Pretty much this while im playing, however since the beginning when a new face arises out of nowhere that ive never heard of and has no lan results I assume they're a hacker until proven otherwise at lan.

[iM yang]

Originally Posted by TAJPMoney

Pretty much this while im playing, however since the beginning when a new face arises out of nowhere that ive never heard of and has no lan results I assume they're a hacker until proven otherwise at lan.

That's just your dirty cs mind at work.

[crAzerk]

Originally Posted by TAJPMoney

Pretty much this while im playing, however since the beginning when a new face arises out of nowhere that ive never heard of and has no lan results I assume they're a hacker or a Korean until proven otherwise at lan.

Fixed your post

[Champi]

lol, just watched timbers replay, that MeLo guy is an ultimate moonstar

[PiG]

Yeah I agree with what Yang said. I think only of ur allinning a lot can you easily detect maphacking. Otherwise way too focused on your own play.

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by PiG

Yang

I disagree with PiG's use of capitalisation.

However I agree with yang's above statement about hackers..
GoSuwbc doesn't though.

[framtidenskrig]

lol, i didnt actually knew that you could hack without being detected in sc2 :O

[Statix]

ive read this thread with some interest, cheating doesnt really apply to me as there are too many mistakes in my play for me to know anyway. all i do is think it was a smurf . . everyone that beats me is a smurf . . or hacking but i kinda realised on games a long time ago that you are never going to get away from this. Some people just cheat! This is the minority however and on a game like this it will be spotted at those top levels. All im worried about is some of you have gone into the craziest detail to out these people. Man. WAW. Its sooooo in depth! Im really impressed with the level youve taken it. Look at what the cheats have done to you. Have you invest a great deal of time to chase them around! Just leave em be, post their name and replay and leave it at that. Guys dont give them your time, i know you mean the world of good but look how much time of yours they are wasting!

seriously tho, i cant believe the effort you lot put in, its one cool and dedicated place this

[wTlzq]

Originally Posted by Statix

ive read this thread with some interest, cheating doesnt really apply to me as there are too many mistakes in my play for me to know anyway. all i do is think it was a smurf . . everyone that beats me is a smurf . . or hacking but i kinda realised on games a long time ago that you are never going to get away from this. Some people just cheat! This is the minority however and on a game like this it will be spotted at those top levels. All im worried about is some of you have gone into the craziest detail to out these people. Man. WAW. Its sooooo in depth! Im really impressed with the level youve taken it. Look at what the cheats have done to you. Have you invest a great deal of time to chase them around! Just leave em be, post their name and replay and leave it at that. Guys dont give them your time, i know you mean the world of good but look how much time of yours they are wasting!

seriously tho, i cant believe the effort you lot put in, its one cool and dedicated place this

The hackers are pointed out, so that the community are aware of it. Thus barring them from community activities( such as BSG/ GPD/ Masters cup or clans) to prevent unfair competition. All in all, we want to send a msg that hacking is not tolerated

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Statix:

i understand why we do it man . . . just the time u put into doing it, id sooner mow my lawn

[iVnStinger]

Bob Marley, two days after being shot,
showed up and said
"The people that are making this world worse don't take a day off, how can I?"

I realize your point that eliminating cheaters and hackers will never truly succeed, but it doesn't mean we should stop trying

[Meatex]

that is incorrect - eliminating cheaters can be done, at least from online portions of games.
Its simply no company is willing to put in the time and money to do so.

So all we can do is gather our own list and refuse to play such people

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iVnStinger:

<3

[iVnStinger]

Originally Posted by FaDeMeatex

that is incorrect - eliminating cheaters can be done, at least from online portions of games.
Its simply no company is willing to put in the time and money to do so.

So all we can do is gather our own list and refuse to play such people

That is another way of putting it.

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	Meatex:	problem... bro?
	iM yang:	stop getting butthurt meatex

[iVnStinger]

Ok not to fuss but I believe that is misuse of the rep system. If I may ask, how did that deserve a neg rep? In the original post, I said "cool story bro, that is exactly what I mean in my posty ". After reading that I decided to change it cause I was being kind of rude. Niether one deserves a negative rep don't you think ?

[Meatex]

I believe the negative rep should be used for exactly what I used it for
Indicating I feel what you said was rude - especially considering my post wasn't directed at you ~.~

Yes I am a stickler for that kind of thing and takes things too personally pretty easily unless I magically get a good night sleep
So my bad