[Nemo]

Originally Posted by Shuix

I'll do that either later tonight or tomorrow, I need to stop BMing in game so I can actually submit replays.

No, you have to stop BMing people because it's bad.

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	breadfan:
	Bash:
	TABjornbrandr:	Either good manner or get fucked - I hear you Nemo
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[ZethaXEL]

Hey im a silver toss too!!!!(just switched from Zerg for the time being =P)
How i deal with marine & marauder is by have sentries supported by zealots cause when the mm comes i just force field them and a-moves my zealots to kill them off =)
I always do a 3-gate expo followed by robo to get a immortal 1st then a obs incase the marauder count is high.....

Oh btw check this out it helps alot for lower leagues.....

You Tube

You Tube

Hope i helped =)

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Synizta:

^ this the whole series Apollo did for Protoss is REALLY helpful. all low league protoss should use it :-)

[|Erasmus|]

Forcefield+ immortals should be able to handle early marauder heavy bio pressure... Trying to rush something higher tech when they are doing pressure is likely to end badly.

If you are having trouble holding with that (unless it's metal where ff is useless) you probably just nee to ff better. you want to just try to isolate as many units as you can kill cost efficiently, then repeat.

[TragicHero]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

Forcefield+ immortals should be able to handle early marauder heavy bio pressure... Trying to rush something higher tech when they are doing pressure is likely to end badly.

If you are having trouble holding with that (unless it's metal where ff is useless) you probably just nee to ff better. you want to just try to isolate as many units as you can kill cost efficiently, then repeat.

This, sentries, zealots and immortals are the way to go. Look for 2/3gate robo builds.
I personally use gate robo gate into expansion and then i transition from there

[Shuix]

Originally Posted by Nemo

No, you have to stop BMing people because it's bad.

I know.. It's nothing bad about the person.. Mainly just against Terran it's self..

And when you were on a 5-6 losing streak to Terran for the exact same build and nothing you do works you tend to get a bit angry..

And what do you mean Isolate the units?.. If I cut them in half the ones at the bottom can still attack due to vision... I still lose ALL my units and half of them are in my base..



I've tried 2 gate robo (9 pylon/gate) and 3 gate robo(9 pylon 12 gate 18 robo then gates). I've tried a few other 2 robo and 3 robo builds.. Nothing works for me.. The only think that half works is Zealot + Storm/Archon but I can't tech to that.


As for expanding. When ever I expand I sacrifice 400 minerals to try and get an 'advantage' which just ends up costing me the game...

[Easy]

High templars with storm, thats how you stop 1-1-1, rax allins.

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[Shuix]

Originally Posted by Easy

High templars with storm, thats how you stop 1-1-1, rax allins.

I can't tech up that fast...

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by Shuix

And what do you mean Isolate the units?.. If I cut them in half the ones at the bottom can still attack due to vision... I still lose ALL my units and half of them are in my base..

I've tried 2 gate robo (9 pylon/gate) and 3 gate robo(9 pylon 12 gate 18 robo then gates). I've tried a few other 2 robo and 3 robo builds.. Nothing works for me.. The only think that half works is Zealot + Storm/Archon but I can't tech to that.

Stalkers and immortals outrange marines and have equal range to marauders. If you ff the ramp, you should be killing half their units while you're only taking damage from them. Your zealots will get hit, yes, but that is what they're for.

[iM yang]

Originally Posted by Easy

High templars with storm, thats how you stop 1-1-1, rax allins.

this is so wrong it's not even funny nor helpful in any way

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mGGAequitas:

i think he meant some high templars thrown in with your carriers and collosi

[breadfan]

Originally Posted by Shuix

I know.. It's nothing bad about the person.. Mainly just against Terran it's self..

And when you were on a 5-6 losing streak to Terran for the exact same build and nothing you do works you tend to get a bit angry..

It's nothing to do with Terran. At silver, you can just win by making more units. If you get angry and cry Terran imba, it's no wonder you can't win, and you won't soon be able to unless you change that attitude.

Tips:

4 gate hits before 1-1-1

If you keep getting hit by a 1-1-1 at 9:00, then put some pressure on before that. If everyone is going for banshees, there's a huge window where all their gas is going into buildings/banshees and he'll only have marines to defend with. Banshee also means late tanks.

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Bash:

[cruxBsK]

1a

10char

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[wTlzq]

Originally Posted by Shuix

Long story short, If I focus on Macro I lose because I don't have enough units.
If I focus on Units then I don't have enough econ to keep warping in/teching up.

This logic seems quite wrong. As long as you dont stop making probes and units, you will definitely have enough units for any push. at least in Silver league

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breadfan:

Seems he misunderstands what macro means, and equates it to just probes or something?

[Jaywalk]

there is a fair bit of strange advice in this thread, post up some replays and i'm sure the problems will be clearly apparent.

two quick general things;

when people say 'macro' this isnt just about your economy, this includes building units. dont miss warp ins, youll have more stuff.

secondly; you can still get great information from pro replays - for example, if you get a robo before 6 mins you can have an observer in time for a cloaked banshee at a pro level. if hes a lower player and hes banshee comes at 13 mins, youll just be even more prepared. Also you can check what kind of unit mixes people go for in the early game and just copy it.

[ROOT`iaguz]

The most important thing for you right now is that as a Silver league player your execution is ******* disgusting. Don't doubt this, I don't need to see a replay or anything to know this otherwise you wouldn't be in Silver.

How to fix it? Find a PvT replay of kinda good players (really anything high masters/GM's will do) showing a basic macro opening (1-2-3 gate expand or variants with robo bays in them) and learn how to do it EXACTLY as they do. Like, memorize the build order exactly (if it helps write it down on a piece of paper and glance at it occasionally whilst playing. I did this in BW and it helped a ton.) and learn how to make everything ON TIME EXACTLY AS THEY ARE. I cannot stress this enough. Enable the little game timer on the bottom left of your screen. You wanna have all the same gateways, units, pylons, probes, tech structures at 9:00 as it is on the replay you saw. If you can't get it, do it again a few times.

This is execution. You might have to open a practice game and try to get the hang of this. It sounds stupid but it's one of the most incredibly basic aspects that has to get nailed down and BSG's love cocking this up from what I've seen, huge problem.

I guarantee you if you can play the first 10 minutes of a PvT out because you have a brilliant build order and some basic scouting and micro there's absolutely no reason you should be losing to Terrans of that level. After that there's some shit about unit compositions and tech but you're in silver so let's not hurt yourself with something complex. Make a shit load of zealots, make a shitload of archons, tech charge and have 2 forges cranking out upgrades. Don't try and take a 3rd you'll just float, stay on 2 base with a bunch of warpgates and make a bunch of units. When you feel ready send them all in and yay!

The second big problem with BSG players is that their forcefields are horrible. If you had 8 marines and 2 marauders piling up your ramp you'd probably lose because you cannot FF the ramp properly. FF's are critical! Learn how to deploy them effectively and quickly.

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[Nemo]

Originally Posted by Shuix

I know.. It's nothing bad about the person.. Mainly just against Terran it's self..

And when you were on a 5-6 losing streak to Terran for the exact same build and nothing you do works you tend to get a bit angry..

I know. I was angry about too (as ) until I discovered I wasn't able to win A SINGLE ZvT. Then you have no more excuse, you absolutely know it's you and not the race.

And what do you mean Isolate the units?.. If I cut them in half the ones at the bottom can still attack due to vision... I still lose ALL my units and half of them are in my base..

Zealots get hit (and you still can retreat them), the other are more in retreat and shooting the few units that are inside your base.

But as said, post a replay.

[stephen_drewz]

Im not a great player but you keep reading everyone's advice and coming back saying it doesn't work. Just because you haven't had the success doesn't mean it doesn't work. I think just need more practice to execute it properly. Find a Terran practice partner where it's not ranked(no pressure) and ask them to execute the same builds your having issues with over and over. You will soon work out how to use the advice in this thread efficiently.

[Bloodmyst]

TBH, I know it's a bitch to hear. But simply just work on macro dude, you'll find at this level you can actually defeat most all-in builds just by macro.

I actually just played a T v P where I went for a 1 Rax FE and defending a 4-gate with not even 1 bunker! This is at Gold level. To be quiet honest, this shouldn't happen.... But hey, it's amazing where simple macro can take you.

[KamiGami]

Macro macro macro. At a low level if you have good macro you can win with just that. Other than that I suggest parcticing getting good forcefields, as a good set of forcefields can basically win you the game in many situations.

[Tushig]

just turtle and get 3-3 upgrades

[Fraser]

Im also in silver and what i do against terran is along these lines;

if they are 1 basing for a while i try to get up early defense and remember how amazing the utility of sentries is. if you see his attacking force and think its stronger then ff the ramp. if yours is let him come up the ramp and ff behind him to either cut his attacking force in half and secure your kills on his units.

a good thing about this marine and maruader pressure is that your zealots can counter both them units.

i also like to go for SUPER early charglots. believe me its amazing. by super early i mean roughly when your warp gate tech is 1/2 done. also another great thing to do is try to flank his army with them this will cripple marines maruraders massively. HOLD THEM TOWERS!

if you scout him expanding then just try to go 1 or 2 gate expand.


if it goes to late game you MUST make high templar i dont know if thats a stupid comment or not but i remember as a bronzer i used to simply make zealot stalker sentry and if i felt a bit fancy id grab a colossus too.

i hope this helps. get back to me!