[zeffrin]

Thinking about it... have to be honest bro though, sat behind you at brisbane WCG qualifier and both your and your gf totally dissed me and my girlfriend...

You need to work on your manner in real life if you want to support pro gaming with coaching

Now of course I should say I play protoss so it's not a deep consideration but it just wouldn't be me if I didn't take this opportunity to tell you what I think.

[dippa]

Originally Posted by zeffrin

Thinking about it... have to be honest bro though, sat behind you at brisbane WCG qualifier and both your and your gf totally dissed me and my girlfriend...

You need to work on your manner in real life if you want to support pro gaming with coaching

Now of course I should say I play protoss so it's not a deep consideration but it just wouldn't be me if I didn't take this opportunity to tell you what I think.

could you go into detail about what was said? might have just been a misunderstanding.

[zeffrin]

Nah nothing said, just looks exchanged... and to be fair it's true we only went for fun, I had no chance in a frozen hell of getting through but still, no reason to act like you're too good for people

Of course, it's not just PiG... I tried to enter many conversations that day and only very few acknowledged me... mostly Dox and Jimdiddy are the only ones who took a moment to talk to me.. so yah those guys rule.

And to be fairer again I think a lot of people wanted PiG's time, probably if I were him I'd get tired of meeting people too.

Anyway, reflecting this morning I probably shouldn't have posted it... such is life.

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	mGGDaedalus:	so.. I guy you didn't know didn't say anything rude. Doesn't seem like enough to be calling his character into question in his coaching thread
	Stallion:	without talking to him pulling his charchter into question is silly

[zeffrin]

Yeah fair comment Joshboy but here it is... pro gamer of a role of minor celebrity, like a C-D grade actor who hardly anyone knows the name of but the few who do follow their work love them for it.

Now, celebrities diss fans sometimes but you notice how everytime it happens literally the whole english speaking world hears about it.

Fair enough if you don't want to mingle with fans in all your free time but it's a bit weird making eye contact with someone from a few feet away and never returning a g'day... at an event.

So my feedback stands... if you want to be a celebrity you have to foster a 'relationship' with the fans

Even if it's just sayin g'day when someone's looking into your eyes.

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	Cyanide:	Asians are probably the rudest bunch of people in the world then...we constantly make eye contact but don't say hi.
	TAScarecrow:	Celebrity lol, social awkwardness can strike at any time, especially between gamers. You're expecting too much and the onus is on you to open your mouth and say 'hi, i'm a big fan!'

[zeffrin]

I wish I could remember who elimated me from the loser bracket... so bad feeling... that dude also had a chat with me before our game and once he determined I actually am relative noob he let me pick the maps and commented on my progress where at least Im going right so far....

I'm so sorry I can't remember your handle right now bro, you're also hell cool dude

[Nemo]

@zeffrin, if you want to talk to a girl, talk to her, don't make "eye contact". Same with PiG. Only PiG is sexier.

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zeffrin:

lol!

[NvRossi]

Celebrity?

[|Erasmus|]

just gonna say, I introduced myself to PiG at barcraft and he is really just a super nice guy.

I don't know exactly what happened in this story, but at LANs it can be different. Players are trying to focus on their games. Going up and trying to say hi when they are just about to start, or have just lost or something... I can totally buy them being pretty distant.

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	zeffrin:	Another fair comment
	nirvAnA:

[zeffrin]

Would you not consider Huk, Idra, Nestea, MVP, MMA, Top, DonRaeGue, July, SUPERSTAR etc... You don't consider these people at least of minor celebrity?

I'm sitting in an office in bris Australia and I know their handle, at least one of their real names, what they look like etc... seems somewhat famous to me

And lets widen the net to those working around e-sports... Artosis, Tasteless, Day9, Husky..

Of course it's normal in any televised sport that we know the commentators more than the players but there they are, making money and gaining fame.

Anywayyyyyyyy

I've derailed PiG's thread much more than intended already... someone learn zerg from the dude already...

bloke needs to eat

[Mayo]

Why is this turning into a celebrity debate?
On topic would be nice
Settle this with PiG via PM Zeffrin, would be better to be honest

[x5_Bard]

Something else you could consider PiG is offering practice instead of coaching for an hour. Ive noticed alot of the pro players offer practice and tips against players of a similar level and of other races. This will broaden the audience you can sell to! And is also something I would be interested in lol

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PiG:

Hey Bard thanks alot for the advice I'm definitely going to start streaming practice sessions with top gamers where we discuss strats and stuff for stream amusement. And anyone can get practice sessions with me! :)

[PiG]

Hey guys don't flame Zeffrin too hard I totally get where he's coming from. LANs can be a bit awkward at first trying to remember who you know and recognise and what their names/IDs are as for once its not just looking at a profile picture with a tag next to it!

I think in this case it was my first time bringing my gf to a lan and I felt a bit awkward myself as I've never approached another gamer couple at a LAN to say hi and was in that "i just arrived, who do I recognise and who SHOULD i recognise" stage of the LAN.

I suppose also if i was nearing game time I would have been focused on the games quite deeply and that also makes me oblivious to my surroundings.

Zeffrins words may have sounded a little harsher because he interpreted my own inhibitions as a sign of imagined superiority. That really wasn't the case and hopefully I get a chance to meet Zeffrin and his gf next time up in Brisbane!

P.s. you guys can see Zeffrin isn't a troll or anything by the way he responded to Nemo's comment he's clearly a nice guy.

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	nirvAnA:	w0w0w0w MR PR in the house!
	zeffrin:	! ok, yah you rule now too
	biogenie:	Brilliant way to put it!!! NERDS OUTZ!

[aztecx]

Originally Posted by zeffrin

Thinking about it... have to be honest bro though, sat behind you at brisbane WCG qualifier and both your and your gf totally dissed me and my girlfriend...

You need to work on your manner in real life if you want to support pro gaming with coaching

Of course, it's not just PiG... I tried to enter many conversations that day and only very few acknowledged me... mostly Dox and Jimdiddy are the only ones who took a moment to talk to me.. so yah those guys rule.

Some Korean saying that I read last night: "The beautiful pond will attract beautiful people"

Such is life.

[ZergGirl]

I tried speaking to pig once in game, he didn't respond to me for about 3 hours :'(

BTW. Are you (pig) able to teach people how to really gay up Terran hard in close position matchups? I hate laddering but it's what I lose to. Everyone tells me what to do but I'm clearly executing it wrong.

[PiG]

Originally Posted by ZergGirl

I tried speaking to pig once in game, he didn't respond to me for about 3 hours :'(

BTW. Are you (pig) able to teach people how to really gay up Terran hard in close position matchups? I hate laddering but it's what I lose to. Everyone tells me what to do but I'm clearly executing it wrong.

Haha my bad for leaving bbnet open when I'm afk!

Closespots is very imba! But yep I have a variety of builds you can do on shattered which have very high success rates. Mostly timing attacks but that's how u have to play it! I can teach you how to do all these and play it safe up to the timing attack no problem. And I would probably save the VOD as I get so many requests for what to do in these spots. Not to mention you can use the same builds on other maps they just aren't as strong!

[ZergGirl]

Originally Posted by PiG

Haha my bad for leaving bbnet open when I'm afk!

Closespots is very imba! But yep I have a variety of builds you can do on shattered which have very high success rates. Mostly timing attacks but that's how u have to play it! I can teach you how to do all these and play it safe up to the timing attack no problem. And I would probably save the VOD as I get so many requests for what to do in these spots. Not to mention you can use the same builds on other maps they just aren't as strong!

Oh, you said you were going afk too. :]

I shall pester you sometime when it is convenient us both
Cheers ^^;

[mGGDaedalus]

Seems like it was just a misunderstanding after all but I did just wanna say one thing:

Originally Posted by zeffrin

Would you not consider Huk, Idra, Nestea, MVP, MMA, Top, DonRaeGue, July, SUPERSTAR etc... You don't consider these people at least of minor celebrity?

Half the people on this list, while generally friendly, would most likely not want anything to do with you in the period right before or after a game, as sc2 is a game of intense mental focus. Making a judgement call on someone in the time period surrounding important matches is always a tricky thing to do.

[zeffrin]

Yah Indeed... and hugely appreciate PiG's accurate interpretation to what I wanted to say.

No hards bro... buy you a beer next time you come to bris

[zeffrin]

Cyanide:
Asians are probably the rudest bunch of people in the world then...we constantly make eye contact but don't say hi.

Asians are different, rather than say g'day I nod my head... most nod back

[zeffrin]

Also for what it's worth... PiG pm'd me and I have to say, considering I made an error in commenting in this place on something so minor he's such an incredibly nice guy. Instead of raging he contacted me to start a conversation and ammend the failed opportunity to meet in the past.

So I'll tell you all the same thing I told him... I am terribly sorry this thread went all negative and I'm sorry I posted when of course you're all correct.. I should've talked to him in person.

In conclusion indeed, my impression was incorrect and PiG is a super nice guy, super nice... much nicer than all of us actually participating in this thread since I commented.

Apologies to all of you... and power to those of you who rose to his defense so passionately.. the true sign of a burgening celebrity gaining fans.

Rock on PiG

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	nirvAnA:
	Nemo:	Well said.
	PiG:	Too nice man! Thanks for understanding mate.