[pikk0n]

The solid argument for you being the mafia is the fact that initially, you seemed not too fussed about being in a tie with your fellow members, pokerface and zanderax playing around with the votes. The moment I came in and pointed those facts out, the tie is out of the picture and you have to make sure that I die because you would implicate yourself by being in a draw.

As for starcraft 2 being a strategic game, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is this even related to starcraft 2? The desperation in you trying to save yourself. Here's my strategy. I'm not really worried about dying here. As I mentioned earlier. This is my last play. I did this to expose the last remaining Tortellini mafia family member for my family. Whether we decide to waste our night time kill tomorrow night or let you townsfolk waste a daytime lynch on them, is entirely up to the remaining 2 members. Depending on how things go. We might decide that the Tortellini is still required. I am giving you townsfolks an option for a win but if you wish to have a guaranteed loss, send in the votes this way. I'd happily take them. Also, should I die now, Nobunaga is a guaranteed dead informant tonight. Prof, you have to thank me at the end of the game. You're not going to get an easier game than this... Well, the last game was easier but that's besides the point.

Lastly, gg not so wp to the citizens. It'll be a nice way to go out with a bang watching you commit suicide. I told you, I do not lie about being the mafia. I AM a Rosellini Family member. And I will prove from the deaths that all my predictions/lynches have been spot on, bang on the money unlike the random lynches you guys throw around. This play will determine which team will win and I'm certain my family has this game in the bag barring some really unlucky streak.

[nard]

Holy crap. This game is heating up some.

I think pikkon is still a joker... Why would he be so aggressive championing himself to be mafia when the point is to stay under the radar. That being said I still think creating a draw between crazerk and pikkon is still a good idea.

If pikkon is a joker and dies while crazerk survives... That's two rounds crazerk has survived a tie.
If pikkon is mafia and dies we can confirm that crazerk is a mafia.
If crazerk dies and is revealed as mafia... Well it only confirms that pikkon is a mafia and his time is limited by his revelation anyway.
If crazerk is a townie and dies... We will lose a player who actually bothers analyzing the game.

4 possibilities.
Problem is dare we take the risk?

[crAzerk]

I am NOT a mafia, so your possibilities are like this if you force a tie:

Pikk0n is a joker, and so based on coinflip we'll see who dies by chance.
pikk0n is a MAFIA as he says, and I, an innocent person, will die for no reason.

If the 2nd happens, the Mafia will have 6 members remaining still, and after the Night kills they will have an advantage over the Citizens. (6 : 5 I believe) (Though of course they are still in different families so it's more of 3:3:5)

If you vote pikk0n now, you will be guaranteed 3 : 2: 5 at least, which will be beneficial.

It's funny how the two people being voted now, one of them is saying he's definitely Mafia while one of them is saying he's definitely not Mafia. Oh well.

[nard]

Every mafia worth his salt would say he isn't mafia. Lol.
Unless that mafia is pikkon... Even then he may not be

[pikk0n]

I don't get why there's talk about me being the joker when I'm not him. If the draw results in me dying, the citizens have no chance of winning. The chance only exists albeit slim if crazerk dies during the day phase to avoid two more nights of double kill. I mentioned earlier that you'll be sorry for voting for me and you will definitely be.

I found crazerk out by sheer luck. I mistakenly thought that the vigi carried more weight in a tie breaker and decided to Lynch crazerk and Dtorr being certain that a draw between them would result in a prof or mafia dying. When benji pointed this flaw, I thought I was screwed until Pokerface and zanderax came to crazerk's rescue. That's when I was 100% certain that crazerk was the last tortellini and my suicidal Lynch was worth it. That was pure luck which went together with some strategy despite the huge blunder I made initially. I'm my family's sacrificial lamb to assist them in winning.

Professional, if I were to die during the day, don't waste this chance to hit nobunaga. Your big chance at winning. He's not a member in my family and you know that mafia would love to kill informants too. Heh... do you trust me to go after him? If you had two kills, you would but I can assure you that I am suspicious and so was paroxysm yesterday.

[crAzerk]

If the draw results in me dying, the citizens have no chance of winning

ONLY if you are right that I am Mafia. But I am not.

Regardless, from the look of it, you are going to die from the day lynch.
Angry mob kills you!

(First random pic I found lol)

[pikk0n]

Here's the equation to you town people if I die during the day just to prove my point as to why my family would win. Crazerk, the angry mob here are just like those depicted in the picture. Confused and royally screwed. Heh... Problem is, crazerk. I am right and you are dead tonight even if you do survive the daytime lynch. I'd enjoy dying either way. Mob/mafia.

pikk0n dies during the day:

You kill ONE mafia. HURRAY good on you? Surely not when I clearly told you that I'm the mafia. LOL! Anyway, night time. Rosellini kills ONE Tortellini family member (crazerk/pokerface/zanderax) and Tortellini guess what? Attempts to kill a Rosellini, and kills one of you. LOL!!!!!!!!!! I'll be enjoying this. Day time lynch, gogo lynch one of them because you now know how royally screwed you are. Oh, and Nobunaga informant 1 dies. Prof wins.

Night two, Tortellini's last member attempts to go after another Rosellini and misses again.... LOL!!!!! Rosellini's 2 members decides let's let this remaining Tortellini kill some random citizen and we'll try to find the last informant. OR if you're lucky and we see the presence of the last Tortellini more a hindrance than that of the town and we kill him off for you.

Daytime comes and you've lost 3 non-mafia mininum which includes the informant. How does the equation now look for 2 mafia vs 4 non-mafia? Or 3 mafia vs 3 non-mafia? Excellent!

crazerk dies during the daytime lynch:

Nighttime comes, pikk0n gets killed by EITHER Tortellini for being such a dick and exposing all 3 or the prof who suspects that pikk0n is the joker. Of course, he may wait for pikk0n's death before making a move on Nobunage so we'll keep this in mind. Rosellini kills one tortellini member.

Dayphase and duh.... you kill the last tortellini. derp? Nighttime, Rosellini starts making kills on citizens, Nobunaga dies to the prof.

Dayphase, entirely up to you.

So, that's 2 deaths there MAXIMUM assuming the Rosellini doesn't kill Nobunaga. 2 mafia vs 5 non-mafia or 2 mafia vs 6 non-mafia. Which equation favours you? From your way of voting, I don't see how my family can lose. You'll end up killing each other.

Crazerk's death gives you a TINY chance of winning. My death gives you NO chance, makes life just a tiny bit harder for us but makes life extremely difficult for you.


Then you'll be like the sore mob depicted in the picture from crazerk. LOL!!!! My death will significantly influence your chances and that's how I enjoy playing this mafia game. Flip a coin. Crazerk or I? Seriously think it's better if I die, go right ahead.

[pikk0n]

One last thing for you, crazerk and again Zanderax gave you away. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! You've got to love your teammate. By defending himself instead of switching his vote to you to prove a point, he has made it clear that you're a mafia. Why you may ask?

Here's how it works. If you're NOT a mafia in his family , he'd switch votes to you kill you during this dayphase. Killing you would make my arguments seem like a pikk0n grudge against crazerk since Crazerk is exposed as a non-mafia. That'll save him and pokerface from the next daytime lynch. Also the Rosellini will have to still figure out who the last mafia dude of the Tortellini is. Even if we were sure that pokerface and Zanderax were mafia members, the last member is safe ensuring the Tortellini has a chance at winning.

Because you're the mafia, he has to save you by protecting himself through that post of his because your death validates my points. You're exposed as the mafia.

Thank Zanderax for me in your PMs. Appreciate the hints given out along the way.

[crAzerk]

You seem to be lost in your own world pikk0n, talking with your double posts with edits later on to avoid more double posts. And you may want to add a "@abc" at the start of your post if you are using 'you' 'you' all the way because I'm not quite sure who you're talking to.

Anyway, a move to just screw with your mind even more because it's funny how I see you blabbering randomly about how SURE you are of things... -

Benji, I change my vote to dtorR


Cmon guys, kill off the obvious Mafia, that is pikk0n.

The players can ignore my vote change, it's irrelevant anyway as long as one person switches from me to pikk0n. I'm just interested as to seeing what pikk0n says to this haha.

P.S. You are highly entertaining

[Amornthep]

Voting dtorR.

[Nobunaga]

From reading all the posts that have been written last night, it really sounds like pikk0n is thinking that:

1. Crazerk voted first last round and voted a vigilante.
2. Thus Crazerk is a mafia.

His entire argument is based around that notion. His further arguments have been inconsistent, and what he has been saying it boils down to:

1. Kill Crazerk even though I’m mafia. It’s better that way.
2. Nobunaga is the informant. Professional should kill him.

I’d like to raise a simple theory that debunks both arguments. Let us assume that pikk0n isn’t 100% lying, and he really is mafia and wants his family to win.

He wants to lower the citizen count and sow discord between everyone that’s voting. He’s going to point at 3 people, call them Tortellini members, and offer a “master plan” that will kill them all off. He sets up Crazerk as the key person to take the shot, because he killed the vigilante last round, so most of the citizens would be upset. He targets pokerface, as his irregular voting makes him an “easy” target. His last choice is Zanderax, because his reasoning is that Zanderax likes to troll DeathFang, so he killed him first even though DeathFang was an easy kill the first round.

These arguments are extremely flimsy. If any of them are a citizen, we kill one of our own, while leaving 2 mafia families killing our dudes. This doesn’t have to be a killing blow to the Tortellini family; all he needs is to wait for lines to form in the name-calling that will ensue, and slowly pick apart each group. His mafia group will guarantee two votes, and as the numbers get lower, their influence will get stronger.

In this chaos, the professional is the random factor here. He is the only one with the last random bullet, and that random bullet could kill anyone, including one of his fellow mafia members. As part of his play, if he gets the Professional to use his shot there will be no more random kills, even if the Professional kills himself.

The real thing that is showing through every post he makes is his inconsistency. First he says X will do Y, and thus he is Z. Later on he says that X will not do Y, and thus he is definitely Z. He knows this is his last round, and his mannerisms are getting more desperate and commanding with every post he makes. If he really is playing for his family, it’s not going to be as clear cut as “kill these people and you will win”.

[nard]

What pikkon says make sense... Abt the double kill and all.

Switching vote to dtorr to force a tie

[Benji]

Crazerk has been killed by the Citizens. He is the Joker. Crazerk is one of the winners of Round 4!

Zergtastic has been killed from Inactivity. He is a Citizen.

1. Meatex - Voted for pikk0n
2. Nobunaga - Voted for pikk0n
3. crAzerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Joker) ***WINNER***
4. BakaInu - Voted for Crazerk
5. LennX - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Citizen)
6. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
7. pokerface - Voted for Rorschach
8. Paroxysm - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Vigilante)
9. Deathsfang - ***DEAD*** Killed by Both Families (Arsonist)
10. Skrawl - Voted for pikk0n
11. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
12. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Doctor)
13. Zanderax - Voted for pikk0n
14. DtorR - Voted for Crazerk
15. nard - Voted for DtorR
16. Rorschach - Voted for Crazerk
17. pikk0n - Voted for Crazerk
18. jackwong - Voted for Crazerk
19. Amornthep - Voted for DtorR
20. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by Inactivity (Citizen)
21. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Vigilante)


5 Votes for Crazerk
4 Votes for pikk0n
3 Votes for DtorR
1 Vote for Rorschach

Jackwong, pikk0n, Rorschach, DtorR and Bakainu are all feeling very guilty right now, one of them will commit suicide tonight!

It is now Nighttime, players have 24 hours to submit their nightime votes.

To clarify, Joker death is done at nighttime and will NOT overlap with any of the other kills. It will be randomized (with the Professional not being an option if he is one of the 5 players) AFTER the hits take place.

[EveRorschach]

Haha, awesome CrAzerk, nicely played. When I read you switched votes to force a tie, I scrolled down to change my vote but it was too late!

[pikk0n]

Congratulations, crazerk. Nicely played. the last minute vote change helped. Hehe. Gg, crazerk.

Is there something wrong with my browser but when did zergtastic vote?

[Benji]

Originally Posted by pikk0n

Congratulations, crazerk. Nicely played. the last minute vote change helped. Hehe. Gg, crazerk.

Is there something wrong with my browser but when did zergtastic vote?

Wow, my bad, Zanderax posted twice (WHY?!?!) and I guess in my pre Red Bull state I misread it. Regardless it doesnt effect the outcome, the 48 hours are up and you didn't die anyway.

I'll fix my post, thx.

Quick Comments

Zanderax:

Sorry about that, I forgot I had already voted.

[pikk0n]

It wouldn't have because of crazerk's vote change. Very well played to our joker. This will be the first time the joker death is used which should be fun.

[crAzerk]

The following post will have no relevance to the rest of the game so please allow me to just post my final post

Hehe thanks all

The last 48 hours were the crucial play for me and while pikk0n more or less handed me the win singlehandedly with his horrific blunder, I was pretty lucky to have 2 more votes switched off pikk0n just before the round ended, though I really have no idea what compelled those 2 people to follow my random vote switch.

Good luck to those left in the game! See y'all next round

[pikk0n]

Hehe, crazerk. It was but I suspected Zanderax and pokerface. When they voted for me, your chances of being a joker went from 60% to 5%. These horrific blunders are what make mafia fun. Yesterday was the most fun I've had in this mafia with all the banter going on and the typing.

[Benji]

pokerface has been killed by the Rossellini Family. He is a member of the Tortellini Family

Amornthep has been killed by the Tortellini Family. He is the Professional.

BakaInu has committed suicide after killing the Joker. He is a member of the Rossellini Family.

1. Meatex
2. Nobunaga
3. crAzerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Joker) ***WINNER***
4. BakaInu - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Joker (Rossellini Family)
5. LennX - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Citizen)
6. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
7. pokerface - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family)
8. Paroxysm - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Vigilante)
9. Deathsfang - ***DEAD*** Killed by Both Families (Arsonist)
10. Skrawl
11. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
12. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Doctor)
13. Zanderax
14. DtorR
15. nard
16. Rorschach
17. pikk0n
18. jackwong
19. Amornthep - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Professional)
20. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by Inactivity (Citizen)
21. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Vigilante)

It is now Daytime. Players have 48 hours to submit their Daytime votes.