[SLCN.CautioN]

Originally Posted by Satiini

Ruining his status? his doing it pretty well himself, atleast in my opinion you simply CANNOT lie to people like this, it determines what you are, atleast in Finland we do not make a habbit out of lying to people. You can say what you want about him trying to improve esports in AUS, with this single action he has made more damage to your whole scene than he could ever make good, I will be sure to let everyone in Europe and NA also know about this, after people will only see AUS scene as a big pile of turd if you guys keep petting guys like troy in the head after he lies repeatedly to people....

Alright mate, we geddit you're as mad as a cut snake... but crikey you don't have to go off spitting on the bbq and ruining all of Australia's national identity purely because of this little incident as well as the backing up of other blokes... We value our mateship in this country and we defend our mates... We are all blokes of the same semantic field and we will stand strong.

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	mGGAequitas:	The aussie is strong in this one
	syfChase:	Buckley's chance of a dole bludger on these tall poppies
	Malice:	I'm guessing you are taking English Language? :P
	VB_Blake:	oath mate

[yongming]

Originally Posted by Satiini

I will be sure to let everyone in Europe and NA also know about this, after people will only see AUS scene as a big pile of turd if you guys keep petting guys like troy in the head after he lies repeatedly to people....

stay classy

[Satiini]

You should have read it till the end, they will only see it like this if you pet people who scam on the head, I would say its very understandable. And I've heard his side of the story already, he had no interest in trying to even resolve it, just decided not to pay it. That is all I need to know about a person so I can start "shit canning" people like you put it. In EU and NA scene scammers are outcasts whom people spit on.

[SLCN.Kez]

Can also attest that troy is pretty legit from what I've personally seen. He was fantastic at ACL Melbourne running around organizing things, and I lost my shit when I found out he was only 15, as he acted much more professional and mature than that. It appears he has a few issues with this james fellow, and also about managing expectations from players. As often players won't mind if it takes you a few weeks to pay, as long as you communicate to them exactly when you will have the money by and follow it up.

Please don't turn this into a witch hunt and smear Troy's name with little evidence and a few skype logs. He has begun doing really great things in the community and would be a shame to have him quit because he thinks people don't appreciate what he is doing, or feels that people don't want him around anymore.

If more dodgy things turn up or occur then perhaps it's time to re-asses the situation by for now errybody just chill out. And by everyone I mean satiini.

[Satiini]

Originally Posted by SLCN.CautioN

Alright mate, we geddit you're as mad as a cute snake... but crikey you don't have to go off spitting on the bbq and ruining all of Australia's national identity purely because of this little incident as well as the backing up of other blokes... We value our mateship in this country and we defend our mates... We are all blokes of the same semantic field and we will stand strong.

We do the same in finland, untill someone starts cheating and lying, then he gets what he deserves. Maybe you are offering to pay what he owes me instead then? Since you like holding his hand anyway apparently.

[RuineD]

satiini, you're basically letting everyone here see you as a self-entitled prick. if you want anyone to think of your post with any sense of respect or understanding i suggest u mature up.

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	SLCN.ARze:	+1
	Lokth:	Apparenty not being payed is considered 'self entitlled', you dont mind working for me for free then?

[SLCN.Kez]

You know shit is getting real when ruined is telling someone to act more mature.

(ILY ruined stay mirin)

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	ToRPandarine:	#1 post all year imo
	SLCN.ARze:	hahaha

[mGGAequitas]

calm down


teehee I'm participating in drama

[Seffy]

Originally Posted by Av.RuineD

satiini, you're basically letting everyone here see you as a self-entitled prick. if you want anyone to think of your post with any sense of respect or understanding i suggest u mature up.

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syfChase:

http://i.imgur.com/VQLGJOL.gif looping version pls

[SLCNPezz]

Originally Posted by Baldie

I can personally testify Troy is a man I would happily entrust to admin my tournaments. He has proven multiple times to be loyal and willing to contribute to the scene and has stepped in multiple times at the last minute.

Admittedly I have not dealt with Troy from a financial level which is what this conversation is primarily about and it seems there are valid concerns and I hope Troy takes the feedback and learns from it. The lad means well, not that it justifies not paying people, however I would not be so quick to put him in the "scammer" basket. I'd like to think I know Troy well enough to confidently say he would not pocket money for himself, he just may promise money he doesn't have which is a lesson he'll need to learn he cannot afford to do (no pun intended).

Seems accurate. Baldie the most reasonable person in SEAsports.

Troys a nice guy, I'm sure it was just him over-estimating his financial situation. In the future he should only promise what he has.

[Sc2Clare]

lol... hilarious~~~~ would read it again yo~~

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ROOTPetraeus:

lol

[SLCN.Wally]

No one is against you satiini, people just want you to calm down because we know you're angry but you have to realise going off the Skype logs most people here aren't going to immediately side with you. also calling someone a scammer is quite a bold term as I doubt troy makes any money from not paying you. No one doesn't want you to get paid, but instead of going off the deep end at them, you have to realise their point of view.

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RuineD:

im against him.

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

This is... embarrassing for everyone involved.

Do some research before you expect a salary from a team.

Wow.

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	SLCN.Wally:	this too
	LordByrnsy:	+1

[Infected]

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	Seffy:	GOLD

[MezjE]

At least you got a reply each day, meanwhile at AV.

Anyway this was to be expected, look at Rogue's comment, James sounds like an idiot.

[Seffy]

+1 to Wally.

First of all, you might wanna manner up mate.

Secondly, you need more evidence. Calling out publicly and very boldly like this with barely any evidence but a Skype chat doesn't give the full story. Everyone here knows Troy pretty well admin-wise; he's pretty good at it as said by others.

So yeah, I suggest you provide more evidence, and try to write it out more constructively and telling it to us in more detail.

Btw I'm not meaning to be rude or anything but did you end up joining pX out of desperation since you couldn't find a team? I mean, they're cool guys and all but it seems to me you really didn't research this thoroughly enough.

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Matt93:

2 dozen teams without protection, oh man.

[syfChadMann]

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asdfSchnitzel:

this is chad irl

[UHF]

This is getting off topic. There are two accusations and one added by Domo:

1. Phoenix was not abiding by the terms of the contract given to Satiini.
2. Troy was trying to do damage control but that included lying to Satiini by saying he would cover the shortcomings Satiini was owed, when Troy he never had the ability to do so.
3. Multiple sums of money not paid by the pX weekly.

Satiini is obviously angry and lashing out, and has made threats on the basis that nothing gets done about the situation - I get it, I'm ******* angry too when people don't pay up.

There's no need for the greater community to bait him into getting more upset, just so you can poke fun of him afterwards when he gets more angry. Wait for Phoenix to respond, or others directly affected.

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	RuineD:	the guy baited the entire aus community. what'd u expect?
	SLCN.Wally:	yes exactly
	ThatGuyDoMo:	would also like to mention what i said about px weekly money, seems relevant
	mGGDaedalus:	+1

[SLCN.Kez]

Also one thing I would like to point out, this literally happens over a period of like 8 or 9 days. That is not a very long time at all to call someone a scammer and thing they're full of shit because its taken 8 or 9 days to sort out payment

[syfChadMann]

In all seriousness, was there a signed contract involved? (Haven't read all the thread)

If not, move on.

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	RuineD:	no evidence of that has been provided yet.
	mGGAequitas:	yes, now what?