[MezjE]

Originally Posted by NvRossi

^thats some good PR for IM right there, how was your gigabyte tournament PR? oh....you need some training too buddy.


not the right way to go about being constructive buddy

Agreed. Don't hate man, I had no clue what was happening with GESC and you didn't seem very friendly

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iMSystem:

If you were at the event, everyone there knew exactly what was going on, and I am very friendly :O

[iMSystem]

Originally Posted by NvRossi

^thats some good PR for IM right there, how was your gigabyte tournament PR? oh....you need some training too buddy.


not the right way to go about being constructive buddy

While I agree with this we had more problems to worry about, PR was the last thing on the list.

We smashed it for the LoL tournament though

[Dox]

That was actually my fault. I was planning on creating the thread on Friday night after I landed in Melbourne. But then my flight was cancelled, my replacement flight was delayed and it was 2:30AM before I arrived at the hotel.

I created Team Liquid threads for Sydney & Gold Coast, this one I missed though.

RE: inFeZa rep comment - usually they are. See Sydney/Gold Coast threads. The whole Melbourne season was a nightmare for me because I was stuck in Perth from the moment Sydney wrapped up, and attending events every weekend for 2 months straight, so I never had a chance to catch my breath.

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inFeZa:

Yeah bit unfortunate :( I think maybe should be made a week or so before instead of a day?

[NvRossi]

Originally Posted by iMSystem

While I agree with this we had more problems to worry about, PR was the last thing on the list.

We smashed it for the LoL tournament though

no offense but lately you're seeming to get a bit of a big head, try and keep it to a minimum.

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iMSystem:

Thanks for pointing it out, I'm sorry to all who is effected and I'll watch what I say

[iMSystem]

I'm sorry for sounding like I'm on a high horse, I'll tone it down a bit then I guess.

All I am getting at is that ACL gets someone under the PR directly, and other people have to do stuff.

Take it as you will, I'll leave it at that.

[x5_dot]

The events themselves were great, I went to both ACL and GESC. GESC did have stream issues even though their internet was super. ACL had internet issues which eventually cleared up somewhat.

Both need PR help.

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Maynarde:

The only person in SEA who doesn't need PR help is you, such great photos <3

[Dox]

Originally Posted by dot89

The events themselves were great, I went to both ACL and GESC. GESC did have stream issues even though their internet was super. ACL had internet issues which eventually cleared up somewhat.

Both need PR help.

Indeed! Now that I have help on board, I'm gonna be focusing a lot of my attention towards this sort of stuff. This is one of my biggest goals for the new site I'm working on. My attempts at spreading event awareness via my Facebook page wasn't as successful as I'd hoped, because it comes up in your feed once, and is forgotten again a few days later.

EDIT: On an unrelated note - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=347064 - this is what i'm aiming to prevent >_<

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x5_dot:

oooh sounds exciting! looking forward to seeing it :)

[iMSystem]

Dammit Rossi, making me feel bad.

I want to publicly apologize to everyone who I may have BM'd, been aggressive towards or said harsh things to.

I don't want to gain a reputation as being a bad guy, or the guy everyone hates. I am here to help more than anything and wouldn't want to delay the growth or hurt anything or anyone at all. I don't want to look like a big man, who is better than everyone else. As far as I am concerned I am just another person on the forums.

As for my excuse, there is none. I stepped over the line with the post I made in regards to ACL's PR employee and I can't undo what I posted. (Technically I can delete it, but that's not the point.) I agree that I could have commented on the matter at hand more politely and not as brutally as I had.

I'll be grateful if you can accept my apology, if you cannot I hope in the future I can change your mind and make you think otherwise of me.

[NvRossi]

Haha, sorry I'm at the movies now but ill just say its an observation I've noted lately and I believe others would hate my sentiment. It's very easy to get a big head especially in this sort of environment. I'm an honest person and I think it's good to nip things like this in the bud early ! Don't think a public apology was necessary but all is well! Youre a good bloke let's keep on keeping on

[Bloodmyst]

OK, so this is what I have taken from this thread on a personal level.

I play SC2. Although I main NA ladder, I still feel being located in the SEA region (occasionally laddering SEA) makes me feel as though I should be contributing in one way or another. We are a community and we will not move forward until people such as myself, start contributing no matter how small it is.

Considering I work a full time job, have a g/f (also a job!), and with the spare time I have to actually play the game. This leaves me with little time to do something great for the community.... Dox comes to mind here

So there are two players I favour in the SEA region. Rossi and Iaguz, I'm looking at you! From now on, ima going to the realm of reddit to let everyone know what the **** is up! Latest results, wishing good lucks with support etc.

TLDR; Like myself, those who do not really have much time to really contribute greatly to the SEA scene. Pick a favourite SEA player and promote them on reddit! Only take 5 minutes!

P.S - I'm expecting to get a few "who is this player?" replys... but give it time Keyboard Warrior at your service!!!!!!! :P

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	Dox:	Brilliant
	justice:	This is a really good idea, Especially for people who don't have much free time but want to support! :)

[Shinkz]

SC2 has the biggest share of the eSports Pie (mmm pie...) in Australia, the most funding out of all the games. The coverage and shear quantity of events is massive and the current strength of the scene a tribute to those that have worked so hard over the last few years.

From my perspective, I feel the events that we have already have great production, great skill level and good enough prizes. I think it's the promotion that's the hardest and most undervalued point when it comes to the overall exposure from an event. Like dox was saying in his post above, that he was too busy to post about the other events, it shouldn't be all on one guy to post the event details.

Recently I have been pushing out Australian competitive gaming content through global esports media sites such as GosuGamers and ESFI World. With this I am hoping that a greater awareness of the Australian scene on a global scale. I think that this will in turn help the move for more people/company's/sponsors to be aware of our strength so that we can get much more value from each of our events.

Since last year there has been so much improvement in the scene, across Australian eSports and it's really exciting just to be involved in and follow it. - Can't wait till next year

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inFeZa:

yeah go you! :)

[inFeZa]

Originally Posted by Dox

RE: inFeZa rep comment - usually they are. See Sydney/Gold Coast threads. The whole Melbourne season was a nightmare for me because I was stuck in Perth from the moment Sydney wrapped up, and attending events every weekend for 2 months straight, so I never had a chance to catch my breath

You shoulda got me to post it or something I just lack the skills to make it look pretty :/ haha

[SmirkToT]

read a bit of pig's post and a lot more of boss's one but not full.


-the next texts may or may not be related-

the scene is quite similar to china's one.
China got around 10 players can compete with average Korean pro-gamers.
Xigua last year had an amazing run in WCG as a runner-up.

+ [even though] +

He never met a korean until the final. And I wished MKP could make it first place in group to advance but he toyed the game with darkforce after he was sure he could advance, in the other case, i believe Xigua was done after advancing out of group.

But we never saw they in MLG/IEM/DreamHack/many tourneys. (Except IEM Guangzhou last year, SEA players and Chineses all placed 3rd or 4th, iaguz placed 4th i remembered)
Travel expense is expensive and they don't have the confidence against the tops among the highs.
Then the final number of chances you can see them can be less than 5.
These tournaments are WCG/IEM (if host somewhere in china)/ WCS(aka Blizzcon or WWI)/FXOIS.

And there was IPL5 qualifier for china too(Xigua got the spot), not too sure about ANZ regions.

In comparison, there are not many tourneys for Australians to travel out too


About practice, there is no 4th race outside Korea, so usually korean players are better because of practice. Many foreign teams have sent players over Kr to train. (Liquid, Mouz, EG, fnatic, etc)

All among all, skill (including luck, controls, mindsets but not limited to) is what you can make as a player.

Edit:There is not much you can do except practice hard but Korean got teamhouse that help a lot as they can share strategies, privately practice and research together. But i guess as the cake is still small in SEA, players probably are not willing to.

[Sent1nel]

That System guy! After speaking with him on many occasions I think what you're seeing is passion for the game and the community more than anything else.

At the GESC we had some enjoyable network rules to contend with that unfortunately didn't rear their ugly heads during stream tests - we did however win the war! From a participant perspective we didn't have any problems at all - the Internet was great, no games were held back, the Red Bull was flowing and the Pizza fed the masses.

I only managed to stop by ACL briefly but it looked very cool - as far as the network problems on the first day, that's par for the course in Australia where a microscopic monkey on a scooter is used to transmit packets between data centres.

On topic, Australian eSports is a far more complex beast than posting on a few forums and hammering social media. For me the major concern are the westernised models being applied to the Australian eSports scene by some admins/ladders/organisers. We simply aren't big enough to accommodate these models and working to tie assets to a single entity is only serving to stifle the growth of the community.