[crAzerk]

I'm in the middle of summarizing everything that has gone down plus posting up an admin response.

The past one and a half page or so has had no meaningful analysis or contribution to this matter, and I am of the belief that what needs to be said has been said, and any new posts are just rehashing old issues that have been discussed or bringing up matters that will not be resolved.

This thread will be temporarily closed while I get the post up,

If anyone has further incriminating evidence/analysis, please PM them directly to me. And if ChoBo has anything final to say in defence of the maphack accusations, do PM me as well.

Thank you all for your contribution.

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	Baldie:
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	TABiggun:
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[ROOT`iaguz]

Made a long shitty video because this is what all the cool people do

http://www.twitch.tv/xgkingiaguz/b/320506025

CONCLUSION:

Chobo's not consistent enough with a most of the habits that are being discussed here. Sometimes he has good scans and sometimes he doesn't. Sometimes he finds overlords and sometimes he doesn't. Sometimes he finds 2 pylons and sometimes he loads up a doom drop under an observer and flies it over another pylon.

BUT. The one suspect thing, the one suspicious as buggery thing that I cannot explain is how good he is at reading zerg tech. Every move he makes in his games is based around information he doesn't collect or through inconsistent habits. The only game that he gets hit by mutalisks is the only game he actually looks for mutalisks, every other game he assumes they aren't coming (which turns out to be correct), he doesn't even make safety turrets. In the shakuras game he knows that he's not getting hit by a gay roach/bane timing so he moves out and doesn't scout, takes the 6 o'clock and still hasn't scouted or prepared for mutalisks at all. Then in the ohana game he neglects to scout for mafia's 3rd (inconsistent with his ender games on metropolis and ohana where he does) and chucks a scan.

What? This makes no sense to me. It would make a lot of sense if he had production tab hacks, which a few plays of his do suggest.

My conclusion is that I'm not 100% sure he's a hacker, but he's incredibly suspect.

Quick Comments

	nirvAnA:	That zoom in/out find to spot the obs catch which top players do is brilliant.
	sRAnti:	Thank you for putting a conclusion
	Eddie:
	Nemo:	Awesome work ! No MH in those games, but big suspicion of Production tab hack
	mGGDaedalus:
	TCPLemminks:
	UHF:	GJ, IMO he shows no sign of hacking. His GF *could* be relaying info from stream about tech, but that's unprovable
	sRDante:
	Zealo:

[crAzerk]

Summary of Events

From the thread there were 3 main issues of Chobo's play that led to allegations of him maphacking.

Viking Paths

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Rossi's initial post

1. Rossi and Mafia points out various 'suspicious' activity, including the "Unorthodox Viking Pathing"(another post. Iaguz voices his doubts about some of Rossi's points (which are disagreed upon by Mafia) but does concede some suspicious points, including the 'Pullback of the Century'.
2. Further discussion about this, + the viking pathing: Iaguz, Iaguz again about Viking path
3. UHF posts an analysis of the sus Viking flight paths, and notices a consistent pattern instead, and disagrees that it is suspicious. Pretty pics ahead.
   Chad argues that the pathing is in fact different, Rossi questions the 'initial flight paths'.
   UHF responds to these rebuttals with an answer of his own.
4. Tgun examines the viking flight paths in his video which shows Chobo's extensive flight paths in his games with him way back in January, where he completely misses Overlords along the way.
   
   You Tube

   You Tube

Camera Locks / AFKness

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1)TABiggun points out a 'camera lock' tell which seems to be present in Chobo's games

"Chobo looks into the main and then just randomly pauses for a moment with no actions at 5:30 as a baneling nest is being constructed and I also noted this was happening throughout many of the replays; a random pause with no actions. In sc2gears i looked throughout that time at his actions and there was no right click with his scvs on the mineral patches or anything, just a random look into the main and then natural."

Chobo claims he was sneezing for this pause

2)Rossi brings out some SC2Gears data, claiming Chobo had weird periods of AFK /screenlocks
http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=557

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Biggun claims some 'sus' selecting of buildings he doesn't have

Originally Posted by Biggun

Let me give an example. I believe that chobo clicked on Peleus' evo chambers. On sc2gears there is a command:
9:24 AsGCHoBo Select Engineering Bay (90384), Deselect all
9:24 AsGCHoBo Upgrade Terran Infantry Armor 1

This point is refuted by paperclip pointing out the times don't align. A later, more accurate post of sc2gears with timings aligned show nothing sus about the game actions.

Chobo's explanation was that he tabbed to talk to his gf on Facebook.

3)FadeevetS points out how some hacks work. mentioning that the 'screen lock' feature of hacks is toggleable.

4) tgun adds a video analysis of several Chobo replays, including explaining that people are completely misunderstanding camera locking. and the camera lock evident in the spades case which incriminated him, was completely abseent from any of chobo's games

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You Tube

You Tube

Pullback of the Century

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Targa's analysis points out various 'sus' actions apart from the pullback (Mafia explains the logic behind the pullback), which various other players have refuted (MrToast's counter-analysis), UHF's counter-analysis, Nadir'scounter- video analysis of the pullback, Sedz's counter-analysis.

Miscalleneous

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1)

Originally Posted by Biggun

"Also, if you watch all of Chobo's TvZs he plays completely blind the whole game whenever the zerg goes infestors. Yet on the shakuras game when Mafia was morphing a greater spire he scans both the main and the natural. And on the Ohana game he also scans Mafia's main when he is building a spire. In all other games there were no scans and no scouting, and in all these games the zerg went infestors.".

Chobo's response:

Playing against zerg, I believe it is hard for zerg to play muta against me because of my dominent style in mech style
[2:52:00 PM] Krste Kovaceski: so im not really scared anyone will pull it against me because i used a gas first style for so long
[2:52:08 PM] Krste Kovaceski: that involved early aggression into mass thor play
[2:52:19 PM] Krste Kovaceski: and with the current trend
[2:52:36 PM] Krste Kovaceski: you can assume festors are much more common composition in the current meta game

And for the scan timings, it was covered somewhere in this thread that the Spire/Greater Spire scan timings were 'standard', can't remember where but I'm sure someone mentioned it.

2) nirvAnA evaluates a Chobo replay against Peleus, finds nothing too 'sus', besides "his armies move very fearlessly like he always knows when its safe to move out and engage".
Many people have used this as a point against Chobo, claiming decision-making is too good for his level of macro/micro.

3)Rossi does a stream analysis of the replays with commentary, which is basically a video/voice version of what he has typed earlier and more.

4)Mafia posts video analysis of Chobo vs Ender's game. delete disagrees with his analysis, UHF as well.
Chobo himself offers his own defence of this game.

5)Richard confirms Chobo = Yamama
Chobo's explanation for this.[/b]

6) Chadmann points out potential bot-farming by Chobo. Chobo denies it.

7) Rossi brings in a new analysis of a suspicious Chobo vs Strafe game. Also raises another suspicious game.

8) Nirvana brings up 2 games of tgun vs Chobo for analysis, Flaunt and Kepler say no maphack for these games.

9) Zealo addresses many comments/analyses previously made, pointing out 'flawed logic' and 'emotional responses'. Well worth reading, provided you're not still emotional.
Zealo also makes a point that has been mentioned before, but noone actually demonstrated it. Here it is. Basically, if you really want, you can take any replay of a top, legit player and twist out something 'potentially incriminating'.

10) UHF sums it up well in this post.

The admins are still in discussion as to how to proceed. We thank you for your patience!

Quick Comments

	jayaiwhy:
	Rage:	appreciate the effort!
	nirvAnA:
	Nemo:	Awesome, crAzerk
	TCPLemminks:

[nirvAnA]

A series of new evidence has been submitted

More Replays to Analyze

First up, a ladder game replay of chobo vs revenant which was played either yesterday or day before. Feel free to come fourth and analyze any replays of your own you have against him, and thanks to Revenant for graciously submitting the game he had.
http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=1273

Secondly, a whole series of replays. Chobo only saves his wins and deletes everything else so initially had trouble locating his replays. 1) Chobo remembered he gave a replay pack out to his friends before, and he got them to send it back to him. He played random in these games on NA and SEA 2) There are also 28 SEA games from his new computer he got saved where he plays Terran. This totals over 50 new replays up for examination, all played before he was accused of hacking.

Chobo Replay Pack

Feel free to submit more analysis or evidence to crAzerk, like iaguz has done with his new evidence posted above. The more help we get, the faster it will be for us to make a decision.

Possibility of Smurfing

Thirdly, not many people know this, but someone PMed me about him "paying people to level up his accounts" and that the real chobo was only a diamond skill level player. I thought this was worth an investigation, so unknown to him, i tested this out last night, where I suddenly asked Chobo on skype to get on battle.net and instantly join a channel in bnet. After being brief about the instant joining of channels he did this in 5 seconds. This was to ensure the same chobo i was talking to on skype was the same one i was going to play. I then played a game with him with Rossi watching. I also asked him a personal question in that game which he answered fine. He was clearly top gm level, with the same exact hotkeys. What is the point of all this? This largely eliminates the smurfing possibility which i suspected from someone informing me + the fact he was really quiet in his ladder games whenever I played him (like a different person). This also showed he was being co-operative and wants to clear his name, which brings me to my final point where he provides more evidence.

Post Ambiguity

There was some ambiguity in his posts and often times it looked like he was shooting himself in the foot. Chobo does not communicate what he wants to say in his posts well, that much is apparent. He often answers thinking with his epeen and adds in some needless brags. He is extremely quiet in his ladder games, doesn't even bother with the gl hf either and rage quits sometimes even vs me. I do not know why, i guess that is just the way he is online. In fact the following picture u are going to see had its filename named vague as hell, it was called "photo.jpg" like it was the first time he ever named a photo on his computer. That was just weird. Anyway, some recent posts of his stream account being logged in the stream raised some eyebrows when the posts went something like this.

1) His gf said she was logged in on the stream with the name.
2) His gf then said she was watching behind him, apparently contradicting herself.
3) Chobo backed it up, and said that it was not possible for him to see/hear her screen

Now this looks suspicious as hell with three seemingly impossible to fathom actions and the way he communicates in his posts certainly does not help him. So he took a picture to explain.



Needless to say, the picture speaks for itself.

What we can also take away from this is why we need to take extreme caution and take our time before reaching a definitive conclusion over such a huge matter. The ambiguity in his initial replies looked so suspicious, but it turned out to have a perfectly reasonable explanation. After analyzing the replays, a few people have already mentioned to me how they were starting to feel they have made a very big mistake and chobo's reputation will never be able to recover from this.

So keep an open mind, watch the replays for yourself, and form your own judgment. I am very open to the possibility that he might be hacking (i even investigated him myself as specified earlier) so I ask his accusers too, to at least consider theres a possibility he could be completely innocent player (robbed of the glory from his first big win no less) and to view the replays from a neutral perspective.

The admins are still in discussion as to how to proceed. We thank you for your patience!

Quick Comments

	jayaiwhy:
	Baldie:	11/10 hair
	mGGDaedalus:	doing an awesome job nirvana
	dippa:	whatys to stop him from playing on his gf's pc .............
	Nemo:	That's a lot of work !
	Another:
	Nadir:	@ Dippa - Nothing, but what possible evidence could he produce that would prove that he wasn't?
	crAzerk:	copy paste of my ending line ! ^^
	RicocheT:	Anyone else disappointed his woman is looking at the comp and not at us =[
	TCPLemminks:
	Dox:	he's not exactly gonna be hacking on ladder whilst he's under investigation, that new replay is kinda pointless :D
	Dumbledore:
	AsGNabi:	@ Dippa - Let's see.. uhh.. me? :D
	xGKingdelete:

[crAzerk]

This post contains Rossi's analysis, followed by my analysis of the same game. I may just update more analyses in this post if I get them, for the viewing of the admins.

Strafe vs Chobo Shakuras Plateau 7:24 long ( can be found in this replay pack http://www.mediafire.com/?55g3g2xp3yhlvkb)

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4:10 completely ignores the fact that a scv walks past his scv and doesn’t assume it could be a marine… not sure why but this 30 seconds definitely irks me.

6:23 looks directly at the starport.. Can definitely be used in his defence but he sees no addon. 2nd gas and helion can be used as an assumption for banshees. Overall he has so little evidence for what strafes build order can be. Noticing 2 gas at 6:25 is not uncommon and not 100% indicative of banshees.

6:37 IF he suspected banshee’s I don’t understand why he doesn’t save this mule for a scan either to confirm whether its banshees or for the banshee itself, this may lead to me thinking he is using a production hack and knows cloak is 30 seconds off finishing.

6:45 positions marines PERFECTLY to intercept banshee right in its direct path… no assumption that it would be coming into his natural from another direction

Game ends abruptly when banshee dies. REALLY WISH STRAFE PLAYED THIS ONE OUT! Haha

+ [crAzerk] +

3:33 - scouts the wrong base first.

6:44 - I'm not sure what triggers this, but he suddenly groups his marines to move to the corner of his base, as well as his Reapers to run down to the other tower.
This allows his marines to be more in position to deal with the Banshee that just enters. Late response though, Banshee is a few seconds ahead of the marines. Not a 'PERFECT' response as Rossi says.
But still, quite sus. What made him move his marines? Was it a "Oh crap, he may be sending Banshees here right now"?

Not sure what Rossi is talking about of the 4.05 SCV passing SCV, if you lock onto Chobo's camera you'll see that just a second before he gets vision of Strafe's SCV, Chobo swings back to his base to put down a supply depot - that's when the SCVs cross paths. Not surprising that he missed it.

I'm no GM Terran so I can't comment well on TvT timings, but while 2 gas and a starport at 6:20 could mean many things, the most common routes would be banshee (cloaked), banshee expand, or some kind of hellion and/or marine drop, and preparing your Marines in that position is not unorthodox. What IS unorthodox is the peculiar timing which he chose to move in position, I'm not really sure why.
This game was too short to really conclude anything.

Suspicious? Yes. Conclusive? No. Read Zealo's 'You can twist an innocent game into suspicion if you really try' post again.

Quick Comments

	TCPLemminks:
	Kepler:	I'm glad that people are taking a balanced and fair approach to this, not blindly supporting or disagreeing.

[nirvAnA]

My Replay analysis

Watching a large sample of replays will really help you get a clearer picture. You want to know what is called incriminating evidence is? This is it.

http://www.twitch.tv/becosmos/b/289420237
http://www.twitch.tv/becosmos/b/289421746

This is exactly the irrefutable type of evidence we need and are clear cut cases. "Suspicious play" is NOT "concrete evidence"

Of all the replays I have seen of chobo so far I have not encountered anything remotely near the level of the above. If he is truly a hacker, a moment like this will surely be found soon. There are over 70 replays now up for examination and it will only be a matter of time.

I've seen about 10 replays from the pack now, which has A LOT of games vs tgun, mafia and rev. I think a huge problem with the initial games were it was all of him WINNING. That skewed things significantly because people only analyzed his winning games. So all his perfect moves and perfect game sense felt so suspicious. I just saw him move out with his typical perfect confidence and getting face rolled by rev. I'll let you guys form your own judgments, but please watch the replays yourself first. So far these two replays standout for me.

chobo vs blessed
http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=1274
Watch him go all the way to the bottom right corner of the map in the early game with just 6 marines. Suspicious? Weird? And the big "What IF there was a ....?" You decide.

chobo vs mafia
http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=1275
The same confidence throughout the entire game, with extremely different results

The pull back of the century
Chobo does this 4rax build in ALOT of his games, even vs protoss (he did that vs balloon in this pack). He did it vs tgun in this pack too, something none of them could remember.

http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=1276

It was roughly against 2 spines, and 2 queens. There were extra spines building at the back of the base but it did not matter. After witnessing it its clear it would not have worked. He has a ton of experience with this build and its games like this which has probably shaped the judgment he has today. When it comes to this, hes probably miles ahead of everyone in terms of experience (much like the "u not gm so u no talk" argument we sadly hear) so he probably knows best if he could still attack if hes seen his opponent had prepared for it. So who are we to decide that for him? And FYI both Ninja and PiG agreed 2spines / 2 queens + drones in that pullback of the century replay would have held easy.

Its weird people ask for replays to examine, then attempt to discredit them saying they mean nothing as they are from him. The master cup replays were all uploaded by him, when it wasnt a requirement. And FYI the three replays i posted earlier - two were directly from tgun and 1 from revenant respectively. Those replays have been cleared of suspicion by multiple top players already and the players who sent them themselves, and if anything they go to show that chobo can compete at that level without any hacks. I should also mention now that Perth lans were all Bo1s.

Feel free to submit your analysis of ANY chobo games to crAzerk, like iaguz, Rossi, crAzerk and myself have done and it will be added to the thread. The more help we get, the faster it will be for us to make a decision.

Quick Comments

	Kepler:	As Zealo has said, people have come to conclusions based on emotion. Not logic.
	Sedz:	Pretty much what I've said all along Kep. Anyways, great work Nirv!
	TCPLemminks:
	TABiggun:	wtf Kepler, the only conclusions people have drawn have been based purely on logic.(in terms of incriminating)

[Dox]

I know the thread is locked and stuff, I just wanted to post this as a heads up so it doesn't come as a surprise next week when I upload a bunch of custom games w/ hacks running:

[11:05:50 AM] Derek Reball: i think i’m gonna go download some hacks tonight and fire up a trial account to compare functionality with what we’re seeing in accused replays
[11:05:57 AM] Derek Reball: this post on TL was pretty interesting
[11:05:58 AM] Derek Reball: “Just would like to say that the "the current public hack doesn't allow actions while in camera lock" was debunked by a hacker about 75 pages ago, around page 190-205, I don't remember exactly. In fact, in this thread, a hacker came out saying he was one of a few select Grandmasters who developed a private hack and have been circulating it, and that he was going to contact someone in TL with names.

I would really like to know what came of this.

This person specifically stated that the camera lock feature could easily be adjusted, and in some verison of the hack I believe was an option to turn it on or off.”

Quick Comments

	TABiggun:	HACKER!
	Fourby:	report dox to blizz

[Nemo]

I wanted to be as cool as Iaguz so I made a video too. I know I can't be as cool as him though, but you have to try.

After watching the whole Mafia, tgun and Iaguz videos I was 99% he was not Map Hacking in the games seen. I still had suspicion about Production tab hacking alone.

So I have analysed 5 replays there : http://fr.twitch.tv/nemoulysses/b/320574803

Chobo vs Straffe

http://drop.sc/191948 a replay i did some analysis on, might aswell add it to the pool

Incriminating TvT vs Strafe

2:30+ Scouts proxy rax immediately, staring at the exact position of it as his scv scouts…. In his other tvts I’ve watched… all 11… he never scouts the natural once with his scv.
Yes, It's suspect but in the rest of the game he is so often surprised by opponent army position that I don't think it's more than coincidence.
3:50 really interesting rallies for his marines and they are immediately cancelled once the racks is spotted… slightly confusing but don’t know what this means
He seems really surprised by that and take some rapid actions there.
7:44 Very interesting Turret timing… it is fairly late for a banshee followup with this build and chobo has 0 access to information other than the fact he’s seen a hellion. He hasn’t seen any gas and he hasn’t scanned his opponents base. Banshee followup is common for this build but this is definitely shifty. He also appears to be saving a scans at both his natural and main orbitals.
Agreed, I was suspicious here and increased my suspicion about Production tab Hack. But he knows his starport is going to be late and that without starport turrets are the only way to stay in the game in case of banshee. Plus a scan cost nearly 3 turrets so both are possible, hack or legit move.

11:00 moves out to check tower and kill proxy barracks… seems normal however he leaves nothing at the tower.

11:15 Strafes army is coming into intercept chobos although chobo has no information of this at all. Chobo appearas to be returning to the tower when he makes an extremely weird decision to pull back to a highly defensive position and only then sending a marine out once strafes army is directly outside the base.
I was in Chobo view, I haven't seen Straffe army coming but that move seemed completely logical to me. He had taken a lot of damage from the banshees and been disturbed in his macro. He has not a offensive army. His priority is to defend and macro. Completely logical for me.
12:15 he has seen strafe head over to the left, doesn’t confirm this by sending out a unit out the front path and proceeds to head over to the left to deal with the attack. Also doesn’t continue to fly is Vikings above the army? Wtf?+
Probably bad scouting and taking another bet, but he just won his bet. He wasn't seing opponent army because he would not have been caught unsieged and with only half his army. He was destroyed on that Straffe push. Straffe was in a commending position after that.
13:58 well position Vikings catch a glimpse of strafes army coming through the middle. 1
14:20 continues to click directly on top of strafes army. Can be fairly argued that he knew it was heading there but still very interesting and worth pointing out.

16:40 happy to disregard the entire left hand side of the map and push out towards the bottom right hand side.
He pushed to the 3rd he know Straffe would have done by that time. You don't put your 3rd elsewhere on that map.
19:30 attack moves towards the tower killing the scv there and notifying strafe of his movements and proceeds to stim and run into the natural of strafe WITHOUT A SCAN?!?!?!?!!??!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!!?
He doesn't need to. Straffe is defending his 3rd heavilly attacked. Chobo knows that this entrance will be weak. Of course he could be mistaken, but it's an very obvious bet to do in this position. For me not suspicious at all.
These are the suspect motions I noticed throughout this game. he does however make some decisions that may be very questionable if he was hacking in this specific game.

Chobo vs RANDOM Straffe

Another incriminating game

http://drop.sc/191950
Incredibily weird game.... Strafe is 6 pooling and chobo sends one of his first scvs to scout yet only scouts the creep and pulls his scv back home.

from 0:08 to 0:27 0 actions are made from chobo....WHY?! he delays building his scv significantly and doesnt do anything with his proxy scv..?

Edit: one thing i want people to think about in this replay is why he sent that proxy scv and why he wouldnt be making actions for a 19 second time frame after sending a proxy scv... in my personal opinion i find this suspect. The result of the game is irrelevant.

he then gas firsts and loses.... in every other game he gas firsts he does not build his depot at the wall... i can happily provide replays of this if necessary... ( edited in http://drop.sc/191955(definitely not hacking in this replay) and http://drop.sc/79789(some very suspect things in this rep however))

replay pack of him vs strafe.

http://www.mediafire.com/?55g3g2xp3yhlvkb

I'll keep looking for more... would love for more people to send me replays

Rossi, I think you're really mistaken in this one. You should keep your mind open about him. I think you're already too convinced he's hacking that you don't see the obvious here (in my opinion but I could be mistaken too of course).

Straffe is Random (that I guess and Nirvana confirmed it). He wants to know ASAP what Strafe race is. He just scouts the race and back immediately at home because he doesn't suspect one second the 6 pool. If he was Map Hacking or Production tab hacking he just had to scout the base with that SCV he had there legitimately (because playing vs Random). But by doing this mistake and then going gas first (then loosing any chance to wall off before the 6 pool hit), he just proved that he neither MH or Production tab hacked in that game. In fact that's the only game we know for absolutely sure he wasn't. He had far enough time to wall of and win this game easy if he hadn't gas first.

nirvana's note: discussed this game with mafia about the "throwing game" theory. chobo is someone who insanely cares about his ladder record who would hate any losses. also unlikely he would have made that gas first since he could see the pool, he could simply wall off. he was playing fearless and weird, didnt even bother to scout the zerg base (to hide his early scout? wanted to proxy but smth that only works on P/T idk) and he got face rolled for it

chobo vs blessed

http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=1274
Watch him go all the way to the bottom right corner of the map in the early game with just 6 marines. Suspicious? Weird? And the big "What IF there was a ....?" You decide.

His All-in failed miserably. He feels opponent is droning like crazy and he has a lot of units. He want to be active with them and chase overlords in the borders of the map, taking risks for that. Legitimate.

chobo vs mafia

http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=1275
The same confidence throughout the entire game, with extremely different results

In fact not so much. He was ahead in this game. He could and should have won if he had known the Broodlords were coming.

When you max as before the that's very good news for you. He's just a super aggressive and that's how TvZ must be played. So he counts on the fact that he will force the to defend with his mutas that he doesn't prepare for them. It's a very shrewd plan and that's exactly what happend in this game. Mafia did late mutas (because under pressure) and was forced to defend with those. Chobo simply made a Thor and 3 turrets at each weak sides of his zone. Not a single one (if I remember correctly) in Natural and Third even after seing a lot of Mutas. Just added a Thor to the mix.

I this game, no MH nor production tab for sure. He was taken by surprise by the 4rth that was build at the same time as the third. He kept attacking the third just passing by the 4rth until he spotted it. In the same idea, he lost because he haven't seen the broodlords coming. So obviously not Production tab.


Chobo vs tgun

The pull back of the century
Chobo does this 4rax build in ALOT of his games, even vs protoss (he did that vs balloon in this pack). He did it vs tgun in this pack too, something none of them could remember.

http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=1276

Agreed with you. It explains a lot. those queens (they were 4 this time) healing the spores are imba combo lol. When you watch the replay (and he must have), he sees that if spotted, the will have committed a lot to defend and probably has not so much drones.

My conclusion is that I'm quite confident he haven't map hacked in all those 5 games and they explains a lot of weird things we could have seen before.

I could be mistaken and tomorrow there might be a replay with prove he was map hacking. But in my opinion (at the moment), there is not serious proof that can be retained against him. All other map hackers have had concrete proof against them, far, far more serious. I'm open to discussion of course.

Quick Comments

	Zealo:
	TCPLemminks:
	Sedz:

[crAzerk]

The Chobo case has been concluded, full details here.

This thread will thus be reopened to resume its usual function.

[PinkandWhite]

i personally have seen this replay 3-4 times n i am quite positive he is a maphacker, u all judge for yourselves! and if he is pls ban him from tourneys or such =)

http://drop.sc/197638

[Peleus]

Originally Posted by PinkandWhite

i personally have seen this replay 3-4 times n i am quite positive he is a maphacker, u all judge for yourselves! and if he is pls ban him from tourneys or such =)

http://drop.sc/197638

Yes, blatant map hacker - AUSTy is their name.

Make sure you report them ingame also pink.

[Zealo]

he sends every OL behind his base, takes a 4th before he even leaves his base with anything, tech switches to roaches when you go mech, and regularly looks at your base/army through fog despite not even 'knowing' your spawn location yet.

pretty obvious even from just the 1 replay

[TAminimat]

Opened the thread as this game was loading and saw his name lol. Here's the replay: http://drop.sc/197645 Didn't feel like he was hacking but who would when they've just been accused.

[PinkandWhite]

haha yea i tink he maphacks too, just want to let the community know so that they can ban him, would really be unfair if he wins anything =x

[Lucien]

I watched the replay of AUSTy v Pink, the maphacking is so blatant I don't think we need more than this replay to confirm it. Constant checks into Pink's base though not knowing her spawn location, never spreading/scouting with a single overlord, taking 4 bases without checking anything...

[Shieldz]

LOL ******* gay hacker;;

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inFeZa:

quality post 11/10

[Satu]

Originally Posted by PinkandWhite

i personally have seen this replay 3-4 times n i am quite positive he is a maphacker, u all judge for yourselves! and if he is pls ban him from tourneys or such =)

http://drop.sc/197638

Definitely a map hacker.

He goes quick 3base into upgraded roaches into fast broods, with no scouting... He also looks at pink's base several times despite of the fog of war.

[Zombie.]

Ok so AUSTy is a blatant hacker.

Proof:
Map Hacks:
Looks in the fog of war:
@
6:37 - 6:45
8:16 - 8:20
9:08 - 9:11
10:28 - 10:34
11:59 - 12:01 - Looks at the Terran's army
13:42 - 13:45 - Sees Terran's Expansion
14:05 - 14:08
14:35 - avoids the turret with overlords

Auto inject on his queens:
He never selects his queens
When attack his queens never stop injecting, they never go over 30 energy
Very noticeable at 15:00 when hes attacking and never bounces back to his base/queens to inject, yet they all have 0 - 10 energy.

Side notes:
Never scouts - at diamond/masters level
No creep spread
No overlord spread

So he is a blatant hacker

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Nemo:

Excellent analyse Zombie !

[PinkandWhite]

haha i am just glad i didnt wrongly accuse any1 =)

[mGGAequitas]

Originally Posted by Zombie.

Auto inject on his queens:
Very noticeable at 15:00 when hes attacking and never bounces back to his base/queens to inject

just to note: you can inject without looking at your base, you use the minimap, but what you can't do, is inject without even selecting your queen, which is what he does a lot of the time. This fact for me is 100% proof of cheating.