[ToRSpartaz]

Seriously guys im sick and tired of PvP's Dx !

I swear it is the most awful match up in starcraft, theres no skill in it nowadays it just becomes a fourgate fest. Personally my favourite at the moment is the very micro intensive TvT xD

But id love to hear you guys opinions on the matter and also some strategies that you Brotoss players out there might use to mix up the game

[Aean(:]

3gate robo > 4gate

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by Aean(:

3gate robo > 4gate

i challenge any non top-200 on the ladder protoss (or azz) to stop me from 4-gating them 3 gate roboing.

edit: im not saying you're wrong or anything, im just saying that executing 3 gate robo to stop a 4 gate requires mechanics that 99.99% of people on the server dont have, whereas like 60% of people have the mechanics to execute a 4 gate.

[Benji]

Originally Posted by JPMoney

i challenge any non top-200 on the ladder protoss (or azz) to stop me from 4-gating them 3 gate roboing.

Not top 200 is basically inactive or shit, you could proberbly beat their 3 gate robo with a 3 gate.

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by Benji

Not top 200 is basically inactive or shit, you could proberbly beat their 3 gate robo with a 3 gate.

well yeah and no, whilst i love to call everyone slightly worse than me horrible at the game as much as the next guy, you cant claim that only 0.01% of the people playing the games opinions matter.

don't get me wrong im not saying we should break the game for the top level simply so lower level players have an easier time, but I think there's definitely things blizzard could do to make 4-gate a little less ridiculously difficult to stop PvP. I mean **** even in gsl most pvp's have been both players 4 gating or one losing to 4 gate because they gambled the other player wouldn't.

It's clearly a problem and has been for a long time.

Also, i noticed you're not in the top 200 yet i see you on almost every night, what does that make you benji? :P

[ToRSpartaz]

Originally Posted by Aean(:

3gate robo > 4gate

Personally i agree its that or 2 gate robo

[Satu]

Its called karma striking back at you for playing the OP race. :P

[ToRSpartaz]

Originally Posted by Zergtastic

Its called karma striking back at you for playing the OP race. :P

Lol zerg the only OP race is Terran with their Marines -.- OP OP I TELLS YA!!!

[Crankenstein]

3gate robo beat a 4gate in the CO last night

Edit: actually I think it was just a plain 3 gate?

[Benji]

300 Bonus pool = inactive. When its <50 you can call me shit.

But my post may have been very to the point, what I really mean is that you are easily a top 10 player on the ladder if you played it (which you don't, nothing wrong with that) and if you were to 4 gate someone that was 3 gate robo'ing and the person was outside of the top 200 there will be a skill difference which would render the results invalid. You'd need to get someone of equal skill to come to solid conclusions.

But, you're a damn good protoss, if you say 4 gate trashes 3 gate robo, ill believe that.

[inFeZa]

Originally Posted by Benji

300 Bonus pool = inactive..

I had 2k at one time... what does that mean?! dead!?!? lol

Also, i agree,

Best: TvT
Worst PvP
Weirdest: ZvZ

And concerning 3gate robo > 4 gate, it can work if its not a zealot only 4gate, if it is a zealot only, theres no way in hell to hold it.

[NvPinder]

i'm not saying it by any means hard counters 3 gate robo, im saying that the ability of the player to hold the 4 gate with 3 gate robo has to be really, really high in comparison to the persons ability to perform a well executed 4-gate, which immediately causes a problem for everyone outside of that level.

take the average silver all the way up to mid-masters level player, if he has even just 40 apm and knows the build he can probably execute a 4-gate well enough to stomp any player outside the top 200 pvp if they were to open non-probe cut 3 gate robo. That was more my point, not the fact that i can do it and beat misc non-grandmaster protosses, the fact that ANYONE can do it and beat non-grandmaster protosses.

[Jaii]

I noticed this when I was playing a second account to mess about with protoss and terran. PvP seems easily the least fun matchup of the mirrors :\ Even mostly roach vs roach wars is more interesting than 4gate-or-die.

[noobinater]

What about the 3stalker robo build that's been getting a lot of attention lately?
(how do I embed youtube videos)

You Tube

You Tube

E: oh it's automatic? cool

[Stroggos]

i have a 22probe 4gate which i've taken down top 5 sea toss players with a number of times
(who were doing the 20 probe 4gate)


You have to execute it perfectly.

22probe 4gate> 20 probe 4gate imo.

if 22probe 4gate versus 22probe 4gate you should be able to add a 2nd geyser and tech up as well as make a ton of units to defend.

there are some reps at the end of this thread i made when people first started doing the 20probe 4gate. Go down to the end of the thread and dl those reps. (the first reps arnt viable as i discovered its impossible to stop warping up the ramp)

http://forum.starcraft.co.nz/index.php?topic=1353.0

[ToRDeathsFang]

Last night i got 4-gated by one of the best players of SEA...i lol'd

[UncleTom]

Originally Posted by DeathsFang

Last night i got 4-gated by one of the best players of SEA...i lol'd

I'msorry I had to do that too you .

[ToRDeathsFang]

Originally Posted by UncleTom

I'msorry I had to do that too you .

Plz stfu with ur trolling...

[SayfT]

I offrace P sometimes and ZOMG PvP...WORST match up EVER! TvT is very fun, ZvZ not too sure :P

[Dogsi]

TVT are incredibly long matches. May be fun to play, boring to watch.

ZVZ can be fun to watch as long as it's not ling/bling wars.


I am not claiming to be great but I do alright (usually) vs 4 gate as long as I correctly call it. Just chrono 2 gates. I usually can have 6 units when they show up with their stalker/zealot/probe and start making the pylon. Focus down the pylon while a few of the zealots chase away the stalkers. By the time they warp in and walk another group of units there, I'll have my colossus out and usually things are ok.


I hate PvP for the fear of 4 gate though. If I think they aren't going to 4 gate, I don't chrono gateway units. If they do 4 gate when I didn't think they would, I will pretty much instantly lose. This causes me to often go "half way"... which means my robo is delayed AND I only have units from 2 gates... irritates me when I do this.

I would agree with a delay on warp tech. Add another 30 seconds or something. While it would impact the timing vs zerg and terran, I'd be willing to accept it.