[bald_eagle]

(NOTE: I do not know which thread was appropriate, I don't know if this is suitable for clan recruitment and such)

Hello everyone, this is Bald Eagle here and I have something that not a lot of people would think of actually doing but I want to be the first.

So my offer is planning a new team (not in-house or online clans) for the sole purpose for people who have a burning passion to go pro a lot like I do. But here is what this thread is all about. However do note this might be done in association with AxiS.

I am planning on setting up a share house in which will be our team house in Melbourne and hopefully somewhere near the city or a position where it is close to local LANs and such. I am looking to start this project ASAP as I believe something this big to be planned by someone like me this young and that limited on resources that something like this would need about 2-6 months of planning and organising, with real estate agents and with people interested alike. I want to make this a commitment and want to know if anyone would be at all interested in such a commitment to going pro where we would live together, help each other out, help pay the rent, food, net, power and most importantly help each other all achieve that common grand goal that we have in mind.

I want everyone reading to realise that as I speak, I will be a school leaver (Upon completion of year 12), most likely won’t have a job that pays an awful lot and I have absolutely no affiliations with sponsors what so ever. This is almost going to be a community and team effort to support this and make it work if I at all decide to go through with it. I/WE CANNOT MAKE THIS HAPPEN WITH ONLY MY FUNDS OR SOMEONE ELSES.

Now to lay out some specifics:

-The team house may consist of up to 5-9 players (including myself).

-This is a Melbourne team house.

-Players who would like this opportunity MUST pay their own rent.

-I am planning on only picking up diamond/masters players and MAYBE platinum.

-We will support each other to pay for other necessities like food, electricity and more importantly for something like this, internet.

-You have to be someone who is CLEAN and PLEASANT to live with; I don’t care about your etiquette over the internet, just as long as you are a good person in RL.

-You have to have a source of income to help this teamhouse whether it would be your day job, parents who support this, or some other form of income.

-You are mature and are aged 16 or above

May I remind everyone this is not something set in stone and I do not have any set decision to make this happen just yet. I am also probably going to start organising it while I still reside in Darwin and plan to make the move down there in the next 2-3 months.

A few other things, if I have enough people interested in this. I will start seeking sponsors to possibly help fund or at least benefit this project, I will also start inquiring Real Estate agents for such a sharehouse. I have a burning passion to have this go forward and I believe there are other people out there aswell who share the same thing. I am not a huge community member but I am still willing for something this big.

To contact me please message me either 3 of these contacts.

My Sc2SEA account

B.net: BaldEagle.586 (SEA) Baldeagle.201 (NA)

Email: baaldeagle@gmail.com

Hope to hear some very keen responses. Until then Bald Eagle out.

BaldEagle /

[bald_eagle]

Or should I move/repost this thread

[Dox]

I love the ambition, but have you really considered the actual costs? Are you expecting community donations to fund the house? Have you ever lived out of home before? Do you know of any Real Estates or Landlords who will process a lease agreement with no/little proof of income? Why have you selected Melbourne?

I don't mean to be that guy who comes in stomping on your dreams, but I think you either lack a bit of real-world experience, or you severely underestimate the cost of what you want to accomplish.

- Put together a google document with a list of all weekly/monthly/quarterly expenses.
- Run through the implied infrastructure challenges (bandwidth and electricity are your first two challenges)
- Consider the goals/outcomes of what this house will actually accomplish. A bunch of Diamond/Masters school leavers playing StarCraft full-time? And then?

I'm sorry.

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	[TA]LoSt:	This. 100%. Everyone wants this to succeed, it's just VERY hard to organise/achieve!
	x5.Armi:	Dox with the reality slam :O

[Plottel]

I don't think bald_eagle is saying this is going to be easy achieve and should be taken lightly financially. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this idea of a team house is meant to appeal primarily to those who have already or have plans to move out, have come up with some sort of a weekly budget for themselves and would love to immerse themselves in Starcraft. It's a great idea if you can find enough people who are keen and have the foundation to support themselves.

Dox is absolutely right though, if you put together a list of expenses so people can have a rough idea of the weekly budget required to be a part of this project, the post will be a lot more appealing and I'm sure you would get a much better response.
Also on the note of a team house, like Dox said, goals are important. I wouldn't want to be part of a "team house" that is essentially a bunch of people playing Starcraft, I can do that at home over the internet. What makes a team house special is the structured practice and constant feedback you receive from living with people striving for the same goals.

I love the idea and it would be a huge boost to Melbourne's e-sports scene, you just need a little refinement as to how you are going to go about getting this project off the ground and it's ideals once it has found its feet.
Best of luck!!

[x5.Armi]

The way I see this is more like it's the normal uni students moving into share housing, but everyone plays SC2 in it.

Looking at setting up a team on top of this seems ambitious, but the idea of setting up a house doesn't seem too farfetched to me? If you have like 6 people in the house rent should be fairly minimal, i.e. $100/week, then splitting bills on top of that? So call it $150 per person including utilities, plus food? Not unrealistic if people have part time jobs.

But obviously there's the caveat that if people are working part time they can't 100% focus on the game? But it's just part of life really?

I dunno if you just get a bunch of guys to move out who all play sc2, get a house, get set up and then push on from there that seems more sustainable to me?

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TABjornbrandr:

you wrote what I was going to write give me back my thoughts

[SLCN.Petrify]

If you had like a budget planned out and a specific house that you're looking at etc it'd be a better way to draw people in.

[SLCN.Kez]

Like others have said, don't want to squash your dreams, but probably better to market it to people as a house where people live, who happen to play sc2. If you're going to try to go pro with plat, diamond and masters players you are going to have a lot of problems. They're pretty much going to have to work (at least part time) and people in plat/diamond/masters really have no idea what it takes to go pro to even make it worth their while. If I'm being honest, you actually need to try convince people like myself, petrify, pezz etc (or people around that level) who are pretty solid players, up and coming, looking to take it serious, and are Melbourne based. Being in masters you'll get very little profit from living together as you still have so much to learn about the game.

Also definitely take what dox said very seriously. It's actually pretty hard to get accom, especially in Melbourne, as a young person who has no proof of income, amongst actually needing the funds. Real estate close to melbourne CBD is usually at least ~200 pp/pw on top of living costs etc.

But shit if you can pull it off more power to ya, would be cool to have something like this

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RuineD:

"myself, petrify, pezz" - lol'd

[SLCNPezz]

Yeah there is just no way I would live in a "teamhouse" with plat/dia/master players. It's rough to say but really it would just end up me coaching them and getting nothing in return.

To start with, I don't think we have enough high level players in Melbourne for this to be justified.

[ROOT`iaguz]

-You are mature and are aged 16 or above

Man, petreaus had his hopes up until he read this.

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	SLCN.Kez:	LOL
	SLCN.Wally:	lol
	TCPLemminks:	he doesn't have the #dedication
	TCPKiaSu:	lol lemminks dat inside joke

[Sparrow]

I think this is an amazing idea and you should definitely commit to doing this... Just not right now. My advice, if you want it, is if you've finishing studying (which you've probably been doing for most of your life.) then live, find out what its like not having to go to school every day. You'll find there's a lot more things expected of your by your family. If you want to continue to play Starcraft, then keep playing it and keep getting better whilst learning to live and support yourself. If your still happy with how things are going and perhaps you find some of your friends are in the same situation then commit to the team house.

I guess you can tell from what I'm saying that going into a team house without support or players who are already professionals is not going to work. However waiting and holding onto your dreams will not only give you time to set yourself up, it will also give you time (as well as everyone else who is considering the option) to confirm your dreams. In saying this I also want to warn you, DO NOT leave these dreams for too long, don't take your freedom for granted, keep working towards what you want, if it turns out that it isn't Starcraft then that's fine as well just make sure you always work towards what you enjoy doing and never settle for anything worse.

Goodluck!

[bald_eagle]

Thank you to everyone's responses and thoughts, however I don't think I really clarified a lot in this post, infact just looking at the post again I have missed a lot of info. So for starters, I am not taking this lightly as people have been saying, I am fully aware of the amount of organisation that has to go into it, hence why I think it would take half a year at most to set up. Or maybe even more if shit gets really difficult.

I do plan on organising a talk with people who are interested and I will be capable of putting together a google doc or excel spreadsheet to calculate expenses for everything from rent to food to internet expenses.

Also I am not really expecting funds from the community, but would be fantastic if you REALLY want to do so. I do expect people to have a job of some sort including myself in order to have this work and be funded.

Also, I think Pezz is kind of right about the idea of deferring skill levels. But at the same time I almost feel that those who really do want it will improve at 10X the speed than they would from home because with a group of people there is constant feedback between each other, I actually think that in a teamhouse that diamonds will be brought up quickly, same with plats. Also a constant positive aura will be a huge factor into improving.

Even though this is a bit of an anecdote I remember Dustin Browder talking about a new employee to join the balance and design team who started out as a bronze player but ended up getting top 8 masters in less than 2 months. Because obviously atmosphere can have a huge influence and of course the atmosphere of needing to know the game was on the employee's shoulders. I will find interview later, it was between him and husky I believe.

So I will take the advice on board, this isn't something I believe will happen easily, so I am doing a few months ahead, that is all I have to add people, feel free to respond though

[SLCN.Kez]

I don't think pezz meant it wouldn't be beneficial for plat/diamond players, it wouldn't be beneficial for him to be teaching them/living in the house, which it wouldn't, and it would take them a while to get up to the level where it would be.

[ROOT`iaguz]

Staying on topic...

Teamhouses are ******* expensive and only for organisations that are shitting money and actually care about having the best players around. Australia doesn't have anywhere near the correct levels of sponsorship to support this sort of thing.

It does sound like what you want is a house full of Starcraft hobbyists who all have proper jobs. In which case I wouldn't call that a teamhouse, but I see no reason why it can't exist.

[bald_eagle]

Originally Posted by SLCN.Kez

I don't think pezz meant it wouldn't be beneficial for plat/diamond players, it wouldn't be beneficial for him to be teaching them/living in the house, which it wouldn't, and it would take them a while to get up to the level where it would be

I don't know much about pezz because I have been pretty quiet in the sc2sea community until recently. But I will go under the assumption he is on a GM level and is far above from the likes of your average diamond and masters players. I did see him vs Demuslim on NA on Demu's stream.

So that is my only continuous worry is that higher ranked players to lesser players would not benefit much if at all to something like this, especially someone like me who is far from a pro level and only a masters level at best.

[RicocheT]

If Petrify signs up, good luck lads.
Never seen someone take up so much damn space in a house...with their ego.

[SLCN.Petrify]

Originally Posted by RicocheT

If Petrify signs up, good luck lads.
Never seen someone take up so much damn space in a house...with their ego.

Da ****

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Fenner:

Mad fake pet?

[SLCN.Kez]

So now you face the two problems that just about every hopeful pro gamer faces. You want a 'team house' so that all your players can practice effectively and efficiently, but to do that they need to work, but when they work they can't practice as much and use the team house...

Then secondly, because a lot of people are interested in how something benefits them (which they should be) you would only want the best players in the team house, but to get the best players in the team house you already need people in the team house, and so on..

So yeah, if you can figure out how to fix those two problems somebody should probably hire you as an e-sports consultant because you'll make/save them a lot of money haha. I think I would definitely market it is a starcraft enthusiasts house where people can live who love e-sports and starcraft and such, because honestly, being in a team house alone won't make you good enough to become a pro. It'll help, and you'll get really good, but there are thousands of 'really good' players. And very few players who are actually gifted enough to be that good at this game aren't in plat/diamond/even masters to an extent, and they would probably all benefit nearly as equally living with their parents and playing with practice partners because of the first point I mentioned.

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asdfSchnitzel:

Pretty much what i've been thinking

[SLCN.CautioN]

I heard Frankston was a cheap place for a house

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mGGAequitas:

lol

[Philosopher]

My feeling would be that you would have to visit KR team houses to know what it would be like to actually build a team house. It seems like what you are proposing is like the former GOMTV Foreigner House. However realistically the question has to be asked of whether this type of format actually improved anyone's ability to play the game.

Side Point: Many Platinum/Diamond/Masters dream of taking their skills to the ultimate level and competing on the international stage. Hell, even I, as a Silver/Gold player has had delusions of giving everything up to focus on SC2. But the reality is that there are tons and tons of excellent players out there who never get the chance to compete at that level. If these players really wanted to improve, or you wanted to help these people improve, it might not be a case of opening up a team house...but getting people like SEA GM's to donate a weekend (or even pay them) to help out in a SC2 Bootcamp.

I think a 'SC2 Enthusiast' House ain't a bad idea, as Iaguz, already pointed out. But Melbourne is freaking expensive and as Dox and Petrify already pointed out the cost of living in a team house needs to be outweighed by the benefits that a team house provide. It is possibly true, as Iaguz pointed out, that the atmosphere around eSports in Australia just doesn't provide the necessary resources and support to start such a project.

Pretty sure I'm just rambling here. I've had this same discussion with Dox a couple of times in the chatbox about ways to improve SEA scene/Teamhouses/Player houses but there is the reality of the cost/benefit scheme...and in SEA sadly the costs outweigh most of the benefits.

[TCPDecas]

This sounds like if you get the right people with same amount of passion as you it could work really well. I think you would need to initially need to have this as a house of people who have recently left home and enjoy playing starcraft socially and competitively. From there you could have those goals and collaboration that could move you forward as players. Jumping into such a single mindset focussed house cold turkey may not work as well as you think it would.
I would ask your parents for advise on how you could aquire a place to stay in Melbourne and even advice on living out of home. They could give you some really good insight on things you hadnt even considered.
Anyway Good luck with this Bald, hope it works out for you