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Unread Thu, 19th-Jan-2012, 10:33 AM BnetId: D9  Race: Location: sydney  Total Posts Made: 88 # 1
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teach me how to win tvz

how do you win TvZ, i get to a point where I am overwhelmed, by hellion run-bys get denied by every zerg having a spine crawler in their minerals, and even when I expo a number of times, they still seem to have more. how do you do it?
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Unread Thu, 19th-Jan-2012, 10:36 AM BnetId: rezyn#258  BattleTag: rezyn8#6736  Race: Location: Melbourne, Australia  Total Posts Made: 896 # 2
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Hellion Harass/contain - Expand - Drops - Mech - 3 CC > these are just some ways to beat Zerg

Hellions don't need to do damage - they stop creep and force units to be made while you macro at home
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Unread Thu, 19th-Jan-2012, 11:05 AM Who's Who:   BnetId: Dox.792  Race: Location: Brisbane  Total Posts Made: 2,980 # 6
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Unread Thu, 19th-Jan-2012, 11:07 AM BnetId: Bugalugs.283  Race: Clan: ToR  Location: Adelaide, Australia  Total Posts Made: 512 # 7
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godam you bugs beat me too it
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Unread Thu, 19th-Jan-2012, 6:12 PM BnetId: faithHunter 598  Race: Clan: TN  Location: Indonesia  Total Posts Made: 260 # 8
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And one more thing. If you Zergs find marines to be oh so OP and everything, why not just Neural Parasite them and use them against your opponent? I mean, they're so overpowered right? A little of your Infestors's energy doesn't matter if you get to use Marines.


All jokes aside, Terran is all about being aggresive and harrassing. Zerg is really harass prone, so you should drop against Zerg a lot more often than the other 2 races. 1 Medivac is all you need for harassment and you should NOT send any more than 1 medivac at a time on the same place if all you want to do is harass. IMO you are harassing effectively if you get to your opponent's base, kill plenty of workers/a vital tech structure/Queens/Hatches and Overlords AND manage to get away if things get too bad so that you still have those marines to use either for harassing again or so that you can add them back to your main army. That said, if you get to focus your marines on a hatchery until it has really little HP left, but the Zerg's army is coming to where your dropped marines are at, go ahead and kill the hatch first if you can, then leave and hide your marines somewhere else.

One more thing. Never ever ever EVER give Zerg map control. Scan and kill creep tumors by sending out a few marines (3-5 are enough) when you are about to move out.

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I'm just kidding around, I think the game is perfectly balanced. ;)
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Unread Thu, 19th-Jan-2012, 11:04 AM Who's Who:   Race: Location: Sydney, Australia  Total Posts Made: 1,130 # 9
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Search Micro trainer 101 by Darglein.

Practice the marine/tank push level with stim/shields and speed on (creep optional). Practice splitting marines and focusing banes with tanks. Do this about a thousand times. Notice that once you can actually control your units properly in TvZ you are about twelve times stronger at it.

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Unread Thu, 19th-Jan-2012, 6:00 PM BnetId: cR.kez772 (NA)  Race: Clan: cR/TA  Location: Melbourne, Australia  Total Posts Made: 966 # 10
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Pretty much what iaguz said, if you can split your marines and micro well you'll feel a lot stronger in the matchup, tvz is all about who is more cost efficient at trading mineral units for gas units.
Also, dont underestimate the power of upgrades and marines with a few medivacs hovering above them, it gets REALLY hard to kill them if all the banelings are dead and the muta ball isnt big enough to keep the medivac count low.
Other than that just push at the right times, dont forget to macro and you should be ok eventually
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Unread Thu, 19th-Jan-2012, 6:03 PM BnetId: TAEdarus.427  Race: Location: Ballarat, Australia  Total Posts Made: 449 # 11
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Unread Thu, 19th-Jan-2012, 8:20 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: TtPiG.473  Race: Location: Sydney, Australia  Total Posts Made: 1,221 # 12
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In my opinion terran isn't really about harass and aggression until you are very high level. With good macro and steady tank pushes you should be able to win most games. You don't need to be incredibly fast but you do need to be organised and methodical.
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Unread Mon, 23rd-Jan-2012, 2:43 PM BnetId: FvRphoneheha.207  Race: Clan: FvR  Location: Melbourne, Australia  Total Posts Made: 237 # 13
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@Iaguz What would you say is a good level to get to on the Micro Trainer? Rossi said something like 12/13 is good with no creep and speed/stim enabled.
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Unread Mon, 23rd-Jan-2012, 2:55 PM BnetId: RicocheT  Race: Clan: mGG  Location: Perth  Total Posts Made: 390 # 14
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Never get caught out of position with your tanks unsieged (esp. with your big pushes). It's like getting caught with your legs spread open and pants down and your ex girlfriend standing behind you ready to kick you in the crotch. For both scenarios, it's pretty much GG since it's almost impossible to recover from that.
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Unread Mon, 23rd-Jan-2012, 4:19 PM BnetId: D9  Race: Location: sydney  Total Posts Made: 88 # 15
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chheeerrrrzz

with a little help from my clan+ help on the forum, i have finally learned
how to defeat zerg, and it is slowly becoming one of my best matchups.
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Unread Mon, 23rd-Jan-2012, 6:18 PM Who's Who:   Race: Location: Sydney, Australia  Total Posts Made: 1,130 # 16
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I dunno what level is good to get to on the marine/tank split challenge. Just keep playing it until you feel like a baller. Then lose to burrowed banes or smth and rage (works for me!)
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Unread Mon, 23rd-Jan-2012, 6:19 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: TAEdgE.100  Race: Clan: TA  Location: Adelaide, Australia  Total Posts Made: 956 # 17
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I got to 19 as a zerg player so get better than that (creep off, speed on, stim on)

it took over an hour T.T

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Unread Mon, 23rd-Jan-2012, 9:24 PM BnetId: ToREchoFive.923  Race: Clan: ToR  Location: Sydney  Total Posts Made: 408 # 18
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i got to level 11 on the trainer. then i rebound patrol to W and used that to get to 25. it works crazy well.
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Unread Mon, 23rd-Jan-2012, 9:31 PM Who's Who:   Race: Location: Sydney, Australia  Total Posts Made: 1,130 # 19
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Good. Now do that on actual Zerg players. Note the pathetic ease with which you destroy their puny armies.

From here you get to learn about other fun things like build orders, expansions, turret timings, medivacs, the joy of hellions, timings and my personal favourite: Burrowed Banelings.

enjoy!
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