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Unread Thu, 27th-Oct-2011, 11:40 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: TtPiG.473  Race: Location: Sydney, Australia  Total Posts Made: 1,221 # 1
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Hey guys!


I UPGRADED MY PC:
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  • Z68 Mobo
  • 8GB of brand-new Kingston DDR3 RAM

So now I can actually stream at nice watchable quality! I also have a webcam set up so you can see me wearing pigs on my head while I play, using my pig puppet for good luck and getting pissed off when I lose.

http://www.twitch.tv/ttpig/b/298474615 (Go to 1:10:00 onwards to see me getting angry at Yang pwning me with his Brotoss repeatedly)


I am now streaming pretty much every day my ladder adventures and coaching. Also planning on starting a new stream-show every tuesday (see below for more details). More of these sort of things will be coming in the future such as a Set MU practice show where I grab someone like Iaguz to hop on skype with me while we do a massive practice session and discuss things we think are imba/interesting/popular at any point in the MU while smashing each other and testing out new builds!


NEW SHOW:

I want to get back to helping with TGM replay analysis service and thought the best way so more people could benefit from the advice would be via a weekly show where I go through the replays from TGM subscribers and analyze them hopefully with some insightful and general advice!


'PiG's POV'

• Tuesdays 6pm AEDT
• Analyse TGM replays (I'll try to be less effusive then Day9 but just as insightful!)
• Post VOD on TL, cybergamer, reddit, b.net forums and sc2sea.com with the link etc later that night

This just occurred to me so it's not set in stone. Advice on whether this clashes with any other big shows? I believe it will be 2 hours before GSL most nights.

Will try to remember to post the chatbox when I'm streaming!

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gogo PiG! Should call it PiGgy in the Middle <3
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Unread Thu, 27th-Oct-2011, 11:47 PM Who's Who:   Race: Clan: iRL  Location: Singapore  Total Posts Made: 1,494 # 2
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This sounds amazing! I'll prob have to watch the VODs though because I'm not back from school at that timing. Need ZvP helppp
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Unread Fri, 28th-Oct-2011, 12:20 AM BnetId: SC2: Delraich # 349  Race: Clan: ToR  Location: Perth, Australia  Total Posts Made: 314 # 3
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sounds awesome and I'm sure the community will support you big time!
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Unread Fri, 28th-Oct-2011, 12:28 AM BnetId: DtorR.199  Race: Location: Melbourne, Australia  Total Posts Made: 141 # 4
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Oh pig could be SEA's version of day9! Will definitely be watching this show.
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Unread Fri, 28th-Oct-2011, 2:52 AM Who's Who:   BnetId: Cute.200  Race: Clan: wT  Location: Melbourne  Total Posts Made: 823 # 5
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I feel so bad about always watching vods of pig coaching, but never actually paying for a lesson.

I owe you one bro!
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Unread Fri, 28th-Oct-2011, 5:45 AM Who's Who:   BnetId: Dox.792  Race: Location: Brisbane  Total Posts Made: 2,980 # 6
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Unread Fri, 28th-Oct-2011, 7:37 AM BnetId: Fullstop.283  Race: Clan: sR  Location: Hong Kong  Total Posts Made: 358 # 7
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Will the sound quality be better as well? I look at your stream quite often and I can hear, but there are times where the audio was a bit "blurred".
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Unread Fri, 28th-Oct-2011, 9:48 AM Who's Who:   BnetId: TtPiG.473  Race: Location: Sydney, Australia  Total Posts Made: 1,221 # 8
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Will the sound quality be better as well? I look at your stream quite often and I can hear, but there are times where the audio was a bit "blurred".
Good point man I think I may need to get a sound-mixer and a proper mic. Time to ask a stream-gosu for their advice!
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Unread Fri, 28th-Oct-2011, 9:53 AM Who's Who:   BnetId: xGKingBenji.281  Race: Location: Sydney  Total Posts Made: 1,457 # 9
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Good point man I think I may need to get a sound-mixer and a proper mic. Time to ask a stream-gosu for their advice!
What are your xsplit audio settings?
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Unread Fri, 28th-Oct-2011, 11:19 AM Total Posts Made: 82 # 10
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You probably don't need a mixer anymore advanced than the soundcard already in your computer... though you might need software to really exploit it... you should be able to do this with windows volume mixer:

Set gain to +10dB, set recording level to like 90-95% (test where it starts to distort by enabling mic in the Sound Output controls to hear)

And finally, there's no way to avoid getting a decent mic but there's no need to spend hundreds on it.


And finally I reckon you should charge access to your vods... do like seasons of 10-20 sessions and sell access to the vod for $5 or so.

Will help monetize the effort you're putting into all the streaming and help you cover the equip, power, hosting costs etc but also, increase your return on training session time with a kind of residual income you'll be able to enjoy even while attending tourneys.

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Unread Fri, 28th-Oct-2011, 12:02 PM Total Posts Made: 828 # 11
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if you can have decent recording levels without boosting the mic (+10db etc) you will get the clearest sounds
Also I would suggest investing in a copy of Virtual Audio Cables too as Xsplit's audio muxxing is kinda terrible. (by kinda i mean have to restart stream )
Audio settings should be about 48khz and 128bit and should be fine like that. Upping audio settings will take away from your precious video bandwidth so if it starts lagging then may be best to drop that audio quality because your stream before was solid.

Get virtual audio cables (its really cheap considering) and if you can avoid boosting your mic then don't do it. Also check skype settings and make sure it isn't messing with your sound
Also if your headset has mic it should suffice (unless its razer banshee)
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Nothing personal FadeMeatEx but... I wouldn't pay a lot of attention to this guy.

If the sounds cards +10dB does give you any trouble for any reason (which it wont) just get a pre-amp for your mic

Though you should probably get one with a pre-amp in a kit... all this stuff is cheap as chips these days.

edit: yah this was a bit harsh.. but nothing personal as I said.
The main thing I disagree with is basically any headset mic being good enough which is so so so far from the case.

128bit is plenty enough, infact you don't even need that much but it'll allow you to play half decent quality music in the background and get the game sound effects at close enough quality.

And it is true not using the amplifier in the card is best, but then you definately need a preamp.

I dont know what virtual audio cables is but unless you're interested in more effects and probably access to the equalizer then virtual audio cables probably isn't necessary but as I did say before, additional software to exploit the ability of your existing soundcard is possible.

Anyway, peace bro, sorry for my sharp reply

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Unread Fri, 28th-Oct-2011, 2:55 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: ToRErasmus.733  Race: Clan: ToR  Location: Sydney  Total Posts Made: 1,454 # 13
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Nothing personal FadeMeatEx but... I wouldn't pay a lot of attention to this guy.

If the sounds cards +10dB does give you any trouble for any reason (which it wont) just get a pre-amp for your mic

Though you should probably get one with a pre-amp in a kit... all this stuff is cheap as chips these days.
I'm going to hijack PiG's thread for a moment (not entirely offtopic though). Since we are talking about mics and things. Currently (mostly just for skype and things) I have a crappy headset that I hate trying to use at the same time as my good headphones. Is there a good option for a cheapish desktop mic that isn't completely crap? (since you seem to know your stuff).

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Unread Fri, 28th-Oct-2011, 3:52 PM Total Posts Made: 828 # 14
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Nothing personal FadeMeatEx but... I wouldn't pay a lot of attention to this guy.

If the sounds cards +10dB does give you any trouble for any reason (which it wont) just get a pre-amp for your mic

Though you should probably get one with a pre-amp in a kit... all this stuff is cheap as chips these days.
PiG - like most gamers - doesn't have a dedicated sound card. He got himself a nice mobo which would have a decent onboard audio chip much like mine.
And I can tell you for a fact that adding a boost effect if it isn't needed is going to be a waste and introduce unwanted noise and distortion.
I have tested this a lot when setting up and despite your personal attack at me (when i am just trying to help with my experience)
Please check your attitude at the door.

If your sound card can do it with absolutely no additional noise - congrats you have the best soundcard on the planet. Granted at +10db it won't be much (near unnoticeable) but again why artificially boost if its not needed.

if you disagree give then do so but give reasons with evidence instead of turning it into a personal attack kthxbye
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Unread Fri, 28th-Oct-2011, 3:56 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: TAEdgE.100  Race: Clan: TA  Location: Adelaide, Australia  Total Posts Made: 956 # 15
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Unread Fri, 28th-Oct-2011, 4:14 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: aLtnirvAnA.951  BattleTag: nirvAnA#1429  Race: Clan: aLt  Location: Singapore  Total Posts Made: 4,857 # 16
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just saw the game vs yang

HAHA THAT PIG HAT IS HILARIOUS

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Unread Fri, 28th-Oct-2011, 6:19 PM Total Posts Made: 82 # 17
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if you disagree give then do so but give reasons with evidence instead of turning it into a personal attack kthxbye
Fair call, but I'll preface this with the fact that I've completed almost all of the digital electronics components of my engineering degree, majoring computer systems obviously.

Most motherboards now use Realtek AC'97 compatiable chipsets like this one:
ftp://208.70.202.219/pc/audio/ALC850_DataSheet_1.4.pdf

If you think about it, it should be pretty unsurprising to know the audio chip includes amplifiers.

Therefore you realise that setting the gain via software is the natural interface for altering internal variables (via the driver) which control the power provided to one of those amplifiers. (on the mic port)

First couple of pages of that document state the same fact (page 9), though unless you read further into the document you'll have to trust me the fact the mic and line in ports can be switched to amplify signal out also indicates they can amplifier signal in.

kthxbye

edit: to your credit though your anecdotal observations are somewhat correct.... if you try more than 10dB gain with the internal amplifier the signal arriving to it (depending on your mic cable) can be too noisy... hence if it is a problem you use a preamp which is closer to the mic and passes a stronger signal in the relevant range through your cable nest to your soundcard which then amplifies the strongest parts of that signal.

Booyah

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Oh and PS pretty much no headset mic qualifies as a proper mic.. though there are ofcourse exceptions eg plantronics gear, and I had a once mic with a dynamic transducer which had an ear clip... that gave exceptional audio clarity.

I wish I knew whatever happened to it now we're talking about all this *sniffs*
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