[porkchop]

hi guys, im a plat player in NA(i dont know why), and low bronze in SEA,(well i guess because of the bonus pool i have,i dint play 1v1 for a year), im laddering up now, anyway , ive watched alot of casts wherein they mention TIMING PUSHES, ive listened to whiterah idra and huk and they all talk about the same thing , attack then xpo , scout then attack ,wait for their xpo then attack , im a TOSS player like ive mentioned , and i know its noobish for me to ask but , how do i know the timings if i dont play the other races? and what are these timing pushes? i hear it said alot of times , but no one really explains it enough for me to understand it . so anyone out there, wanna help? tnx and HF

[ToRDeathsFang]

It's not that hard to learn the basic timings of different attacks. The more you play and adapt the easier it gets to expect the pushes and prepare for them. You'll also start to notice the signs of a particular push. Just keep playing and you'll quickly learn.

[porkchop]

i guess theres no way to go but up from here.. tnx man

[cure]

I'm pretty sure TGM covers timing pushes, would do you good to get it (:

[porkchop]

Originally Posted by cure

I'm pretty sure TGM covers timing pushes, would do you good to get it (:

cure, i heard you were coachin again , would you mind helping me ? porkchop.302

[cure]

Originally Posted by porkchop

cure, i heard you were coachin again , would you mind helping me ? porkchop.302

O_O" Who told you that, lol. I'm sure you can find better coaches out there I can help you out now and then when i'm free tho (:

[porkchop]

Originally Posted by cure

O_O" Who told you that, lol. I'm sure you can find better coaches out there I can help you out now and then when i'm free tho (:

im at work , heheh, i can do early mornings,or mid afternoon , hehhe..
i saw a post , they said you were really good , well im bsg , low bornze, been here for a while , ive played alot of good players, and played alot of 4v4 3v3 with high level players, just dont understand why or how ,im bronze and silver in all my leagues , when i win against masters palyers..if our scheds dont fit , then i gues i need to look else where, tnx anyway ,

[cure]

Ahh, maybe during weekends i guess. I'm currently in the military, don't have much free time during the weekdays ):

[porkchop]

ow good for you sir .. which military? dont you guys sleep there?


***how do u change your portrait?

[cure]

Originally Posted by porkchop

ow good for you sir .. which military? dont you guys sleep there?


***how do u change your portrait?

Singapore, haha. Nope, i'm a stay-out personnel.

Umm, your avatar changes according to the number of posts you make. Mods however, have unique ones :P

[[TA]LoSt]

On-topic: Watch your replays and watch the timings of their worker/unit count in comparison to yours (use the in-game timer) and see what time and where your opponent is most vulnerable. Then just refine your builds to hit when you're able to capitalize on this advantage.

[Next_rim]

Learn these:

PvZ:

6-pool - 2:50
10-pool 3:45
5RR - 4:45
7RR - 5:00
Roach Ling all-in: 6:45
15 hatch - 2:10
21 hatch - 3:10
Fast 3rd - 6:15-7:00
Fast 4th - 9:30-11:00
Normal 3rd - 11:30
Normal 4th - 16:00
2-base roaches - 9:30
2-base hydra - 10:30
2-base muta - 10:00
Banelings...anywhere between 6:00 and 11, depends on what they throw in with banelings.
Fast infestors - 9:00
Fast lair - 11:00
Broodlords - off 4 bases, at 18-21:00
Ultra - anytime off 6-8 gases.
Hydra doomdrop - 8:30-11:30 (depends on how much drones they skip and how much shit they want to bring).

PvT:
MarineSCV all-in - 4:45
Fast banshee cloaked - 6:50
4x hellion drop - 7:10
3rax push - 6:45
3rax stim + shield - 7:20
2-rax expo - 5:15
1-rax expo - 4:50
Raven 2x tanks marine push - 8:00-8:45, depends on how much marines they want
Raven 5xbanshee 3x siege push - 11:30
3rd base - 11:00
4th base - 16:00
Ghost push - 7:45
Medivacs pop off fast expo - 7:45-8:45, depends on bunker and marine count.
6x ghosts with bio and medivacs push - 13:40
2:2 bio push - 10:30
1(+1):1:1 push - 10:15
9 vikings ready - 14:50

PvP (or your own timings)
10-gate 4wpgt - 4:55 (zealot only)
12-gate 4wpgt - 5:15 (zealot + stalker)
13-gate 4wpgt - 5:45 (stalker+sentry)
1-base colossus rush - 7:40
1-base blink stalkers - 6:00
1-gate expo - 4:40
Forge-FE-stargate - you get our first voidray at 7:30, mothership 10:15.
Forge-FE-6-gate - 8:45 push
1-base DT - 7:40
1-base voidray - 7:00
3-gate expo - 5:30
2-gate robo push - 6:15 (with 2x immortals)
Cannon rush - varies per map and style, usually 3:15 first cannon is done, if not interrupted.
2-base colossus - 11:30 first coloss pops, 12:45 upgrade done
2-base HT - 9:30 archive up, 11:15 u have 4x storm HT to push
1-base HT - 8:15 u have 2x HT with storm and 9 chargelots. If you skip charge, you can get by 7:40 1x HT with storm.
3rd base - 12:00
4th base - 16:00

Exact push timings vary by +/- 20 seconds depending on map and spawn. There are also a bunch more, but they are not so common. I'm diamond-to-be-masters protoss, played slightly over 600 games + 300 games in beta. It took me about a month to learn all these, and now I can just write them straight off top of my head. As people said, keep playing, and you will gradually learn.

Keep in mind, that timings beyond 8 minutes are vague, since that's about the time when people get all their desired tech and econ and start bashing on each other. Depending on damage done, everything you or ur opp does can get thrown off.

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[Maynarde]

Dude, nice post! Should put all those timings into it's own thread rather than just a Toss timing one

[porkchop]

Originally Posted by Next_rim

Learn these:

PvZ:

6-pool - 2:50
10-pool 3:45
5RR - 4:45
7RR - 5:00
Roach Ling all-in: 6:45
15 hatch - 2:10
21 hatch - 3:10
Fast 3rd - 6:15-7:00
Fast 4th - 9:30-11:00
Normal 3rd - 11:30
Normal 4th - 16:00
2-base roaches - 9:30
2-base hydra - 10:30
2-base muta - 10:00
Banelings...anywhere between 6:00 and 11, depends on what they throw in with banelings.
Fast infestors - 9:00
Fast lair - 11:00
Broodlords - off 4 bases, at 18-21:00
Ultra - anytime off 6-8 gases.
Hydra doomdrop - 8:30-11:30 (depends on how much drones they skip and how much shit they want to bring).

PvT:
MarineSCV all-in - 4:45
Fast banshee cloaked - 6:50
4x hellion drop - 7:10
3rax push - 6:45
3rax stim + shield - 7:20
2-rax expo - 5:15
1-rax expo - 4:50
Raven 2x tanks marine push - 8:00-8:45, depends on how much marines they want
Raven 5xbanshee 3x siege push - 11:30
3rd base - 11:00
4th base - 16:00
Ghost push - 7:45
Medivacs pop off fast expo - 7:45-8:45, depends on bunker and marine count.
6x ghosts with bio and medivacs push - 13:40
2:2 bio push - 10:30
1(+1):1:1 push - 10:15
9 vikings ready - 14:50

PvP (or your own timings)
10-gate 4wpgt - 4:55 (zealot only)
12-gate 4wpgt - 5:15 (zealot + stalker)
13-gate 4wpgt - 5:45 (stalker+sentry)
1-base colossus rush - 7:40
1-base blink stalkers - 6:00
1-gate expo - 4:40
Forge-FE-stargate - you get our first voidray at 7:30, mothership 10:15.
Forge-FE-6-gate - 8:45 push
1-base DT - 7:40
1-base voidray - 7:00
3-gate expo - 5:30
2-gate robo push - 6:15 (with 2x immortals)
Cannon rush - varies per map and style, usually 3:15 first cannon is done, if not interrupted.
2-base colossus - 11:30 first coloss pops, 12:45 upgrade done
2-base HT - 9:30 archive up, 11:15 u have 4x storm HT to push
1-base HT - 8:15 u have 2x HT with storm and 9 chargelots. If you skip charge, you can get by 7:40 1x HT with storm.
3rd base - 12:00
4th base - 16:00

Exact push timings vary by +/- 20 seconds depending on map and spawn. There are also a bunch more, but they are not so common. I'm diamond-to-be-masters protoss, played slightly over 600 games + 300 games in beta. It took me about a month to learn all these, and now I can just write them straight off top of my head. As people said, keep playing, and you will gradually learn.

Keep in mind, that timings beyond 8 minutes are vague, since that's about the time when people get all their desired tech and econ and start bashing on each other. Depending on damage done, everything you or ur opp does can get thrown off.

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