[Shuix]

Hey guys hows it going, As the title suggests I am having extreme difficulty against Terran I simply can not win against them no matter what strat I try.. Marine/Marauder is too strong early on... I have tried 3gate robo, 2 Gate robo, ChargeLot+ Coli, Fast Coli, Fast Imortal, Blink stalker, Fast DT, Arcon/ChargeLot. Nothing I do seems to beat them... If for some reason the game goes over 14 minutes long and starts to transition into late game then I can beat them sometimes. But it's the early game I struggle so much with. It's at the point where as soon as I play against a Terran I want to leave because I don't want to waste 10 minutes of our time...

If anyone could give me some tips on how to beat Terran early game would be super helpful...

EDIT: Should probably mention that i'm in the SILVER league

[Bash]

i wont go into specifics, but you should upload some replays so that people can go through them and find out where you're going wrong.

Also are you in a clan? My other tip would be to find a clan, or even a bunch of mates and just practise practise practise! Learn your timings & build orders and make sure you are constantly scouting, because it doesnt matter what you do if they know its coming!

[Shuix]

Originally Posted by Bash

i wont go into specifics, but you should upload some replays so that people can go through them and find out where you're going wrong.

Also are you in a clan? My other tip would be to find a clan, or even a bunch of mates and just practise practise practise! Learn your timings & build orders and make sure you are constantly scouting, because it doesnt matter what you do if they know its coming!

I will need to play some more games and lose then because all the replays I have I BM because i'm pissed off... As far as I know I'm not in your clan.. Or any clan for that matter, I am in the FaDe clan chat but i'm sure they are sick of me bitching about terran :/

[ToRSmotPokingFish]

my quick 2cents, if your in silver league the main thing you should be focusing on is macro, you said yourself your having trouble early game, and can sometimes win after 14mins, so work on that, i play terran so im not sure of specifics but you want to be thinking about taking your third by that time and should have a few collosi/stalkers/zealots/sentries by then, i started in bronze and the thing that got me out was macro, and help from clan mates (ToR ) so focus on keeping those minerals low, getting good engagements and not throwing away units, also warp prism with zealots is good for killing scvs, anyway im sure the guys in the ToR chat will be happy to help out, i know we have a few good toss

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Bash:

+1 ,this guy.

[Bash]

Originally Posted by Shuix

I will need to play some more games and lose then because all the replays I have I BM because i'm pissed off... As far as I know I'm not in your clan.. Or any clan for that matter, I am in the FaDe clan chat but i'm sure they are sick of me bitching about terran :/

haha i'm not in a clan atm, i just practise with mates when i feel like i need it.
and thats a valid point, no one will be super keen if you're BM.
FaDe are a friendly bunch, just let them know exactly what you have trouble with, i'm sure some of them will hlep you out.

Personally against terran i go for either a really early robo or Hallucination, both are mainly so that i can scout, since my pylon-scout always dies, and then i can work on countering whatever they try to throw at me, terran is definitely the scariest race to play against, but its also one of the easiest once you know what you have to deal with, since 'Toss has the coolest AOE and stuff.

[Shuix]

Originally Posted by SmotPokingFish

my quick 2cents, if your in silver league the main thing you should be focusing on is macro, you said yourself your having trouble early game, and can sometimes win after 14mins, so work on that, i play terran so im not sure of specifics but you want to be thinking about taking your third by that time and should have a few collosi/stalkers/zealots/sentries by then, i started in bronze and the thing that got me out was macro, and help from clan mates (ToR ) so focus on keeping those minerals low, getting good engagements and not throwing away units, also warp prism with zealots is good for killing scvs, anyway im sure the guys in the ToR chat will be happy to help out, i know we have a few good toss

That's what everyone has told me to do, but that's easier said then done... It's the early push that they do usually wins them the games.. They have stim AND marauder slow so my units do literally nothing to them.. I can't get charge that quick or if I do then I don't have enough units to kill them or even damage their troops because it's GG. If I try and focus on econ and get a fairly average expand time around 6 minutes, they are doing a 1 base all in play which destroys me.


Long story short, If I focus on Macro I lose because I don't have enough units.
If I focus on Units then I don't have enough econ to keep warping in/teching up.


Some people in the chat have also told me I need to watch replays and look at their builds..

I do that, In fact I'm doing that right now. The problem here is that, I'm not vsing pros. I'm vsing bronze/silver and the occasional gold player and lose to their all in bullshit.

Also about the warp prism, If I try and get a warp prism out(200 minerals) and then try and get a few zealots into it(100-400 minerals) that means I'm 100-600 minerals short of units at my front door I could use to help defend my ramp. If my Macro is slipping that game and I have the 'extra' to send up to his base then I usually do. But most games my macro is fairly decent and I keep minerals/gas under 100 most of the time.

[ToRSmotPokingFish]

if you are losing to all ins, you should scout better, try and hold xelnagas, also learn the times of terran all ins,
e.g. 1/1/1 and 3rax all in, two fairly common ones i know of in BSG off the top of my head

if you can learn the build orders of these all ins you will know what to scout and then how to counter it, you will also know the time when the attack comes therefore you should have units then

[Shuix]

I know scouting is probably one of my weaker points but when I play against Terran I normally 3gate robo which 'should' hold off a 3rax or a 1-1-1 due to either fast immortals/obs or teching to coli and zealots

Also when ever I hold the Xel Naga towers All I see is the opponents death ball marching towards my 10 zealots...

[SungInSPR]

dont trust stalker

[Shuix]

Originally Posted by SungInSPR

dont trust stalker

I don't in PvT lol they are practically useless.

Marauder slow + Stim > Blink

[ToRSmotPokingFish]

replays would be nice, but as long as you get supply blocked you should be able to hold, 3rax i have found is not too hard for protoss to hold once they know its coming, 1/1/1 is a little harder and you will hear protoss complain about it, you can learn to counter them all.

as bash said, join a clan, there are many great clans on this site that always welcome new members this will let you have practice partners, also dont be afraid to practice with players way out of your league, it will help you learn, when i was bronze i was practicing vs a guy who was high diamond this helped my TvZ a ton, my advise would be find a who you can practice with who can play the builds you have trouble with and throw them in when you play every now and then.

Also when you go 3gate robo, do you get obs first or another unit? i.e immortal?

[ToRSmotPokingFish]

Originally Posted by Shuix

I don't in PvT lol they are practically useless.

Marauder slow + Stim > Blink

i would say it the other way, you can just blink away from the marauders...

[MooZfY]

You're joking right?


edit- this was a silly post by me i'm so sorry

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	asdfSchnitzel:	I was thinking the same thing dear ex-zoom :P
	ToRRedemption:	TRUE DAT, this guy omg silver no wonder

[Shuix]

Originally Posted by SmotPokingFish

i would say it the other way, you can just blink away from the marauders...

Yeah but Marauders can stim to get to you and then you are permanently slowed... And then when(IF) blink comes off cooldown again then you do same and they do the same.. so yeah..

Um, I normally go for obs first for scouting purposes(unless I got into their base early on and saw what they were doing) then I will go for immortal.

About the clan - I have applied for FaDe but I suck lol and their BSGP is not currently recruiting so yeah. I have played with a few of the guys and I played extremely average to say the least as they were diamond+ who I played. But yeah I can't expect anyone to let me practice with as they have given me the same advice which is either watch replays, cheese or play more..

[Shuix]

Originally Posted by cruxKiisS

You're joking right?

I don't know to what you're referring but if you came here for any other reason but to help then you are in the wrong spot.

[ToRDarKnoob]

best way to deal with rauders is too force field the ramp if ur 1 base. if ur 2 base and he is 1 base u will have more units then them so just micro. if u are both 2 base then you will be able to play your mid game strat!

[Shuix]

Originally Posted by DarKnoob

best way to deal with rauders is too force field the ramp if ur 1 base. if ur 2 base and he is 1 base u will have more units then them so just micro. if u are both 2 base then you will be able to play your mid game strat!

But realistically that does nothing. They last for 15 in game seconds, That's 1 warp cycle. 4 zealots on a choke will do nothing to a ball of marine/marauder/medivacs. Also FF does nothing when they have medis.. They can still attack my base.. I can't do anything.. I need to get more troops then the Terran which is impossible because their econ is through the roof with mules..

[Akilos]

mind sending a replay to anyone of us to see your problem? o-o

[Nemo]

Post a replay. Giving you advice like that is a lot of theorycrafting and not so useful. We can only guess what you're doing wrong. With a replay, we could know.

From what I hear from you know (and I'm guessing too), your problem is engagements and then the difference is made by good Force Fields. Cut Terran army in 2 and you win. Bio and especially with Medivac support kills gateway units unless you can engage in corridors and place good Force Fields. Terran bio can't do anything against it unless having an overwhelming army supply advantage.

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ToRRedemption:

True dat, forcefields are the reason why i dont 3 rax anymore my army just gets halved all day and it only take 1 or 2 forcefields to ruin your day

[Shuix]

Originally Posted by Redbearer

mind sending a replay to anyone of us to see your problem? o-o

I'll do that either later tonight or tomorrow, I need to stop BMing in game so I can actually submit replays.