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SLCN.Kez · Wed, 23rd-Jan-2013, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RuineD

i find that lately there are a lot more blogs/threads talking about how bad drama is for the community, and way more discussions in chat about it than drama itself. idk seems a bit ironic to me as it just blows it all out of proportion and causing MORE drama. sure people arguing over petty disputes may be percieved as just that - petty - further discussing the dispute by making blogs talking about how petty it was just accentuates the drama further.

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FSBenAD · Wed, 23rd-Jan-2013, 10:19 AM

@UHF- It sounds like your doing exaclty what I suggest, PM first. Yes there is always going to be some drama, but we can do better then we have been. Take the time out before you post something on the blogs, forums, chatbox, whatever. Can you solve it with the other party in private? If you haven't tried yet, you should do that first.

There is so much work done by lots of people in their own spare time to add things to this community. The amount of work admins and moderators and clan personal have to do, just because someone decided they didnt want to try and resolve something in private or decided to just spew filth with nothing constructive, polite or useful in it, is completely unacceptable. Why should they suffer?

RuineD · Wed, 23rd-Jan-2013, 10:29 AM

im sorry to sound harsh but admins and moderators are admins and moderators because they want to be. it is their job to filter through and deal with dramas like this. to feel that being an admin/mod is going to be easy and that they will not have to get their hands dirty dealing with disputes and dramas is simply naive.

**iM tgun** · Wed, 23rd-Jan-2013, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by UHF

The problem is that there is no repercussions for anyone's actions - we are generally community policed. If someone is running around being the biggest dick in history - is PMing them really going to do anything at all?

I've PMed people and was generally not content at all with the outcome. So now what?

As long as it's clear and civil, I think public posts are fine. If someones done something wrong, it'll be found out. If it's a misunderstanding, they can talk it out. If they disagree, it'll eventually fizzle out and be forgotten. This is a public forum, where people come to talk and vent their thoughts. You are free to ignore topics you dislike - instead of getting angry over someone else's business. There is always the report feature if you think it's getting into dangerous territory.

Until the day when there is more original content to keep people busy and not bored, there is always going to be drama.

Escalate it to an admin? o-o

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Originally Posted by RuineD

im sorry to sound harsh but admins and moderators are admins and moderators because they want to be. it is their job to filter through and deal with dramas like this. to feel that being an admin/mod is going to be easy and that they will not have to get their hands dirty dealing with disputes and dramas is simply naive.

It's not that we think it's going to be easy -- it's that sometimes we miss things. I sure as hell don't have the time to read everything that comes through this website + the chatbox, so I only see what I see + what I get told. Also, that type of reasoning is the same as dropping trash on the ground and saying "well that's why we have janitors" at a movie theater. Sure, they'll clean it up, but you don't need to be a grub..

FSBenAD · Wed, 23rd-Jan-2013, 10:35 AM

I never said that, admin and moderator work is always going to be hard, dramas or no dramas. And yes there will always be some. But

Why can't we do a better job ?
Why can't we sort out some things ourselves?
Why can't we take five seconds to think about the consequences of our actions?

RuineD · Wed, 23rd-Jan-2013, 10:37 AM

because your sc2sea utopia is unreasonable.

MezjE · Wed, 23rd-Jan-2013, 10:40 AM

This forum is filled with white knights in a time of minor trolling, tbh I agree with RuineD, Kez everyone who doesn't go 'Oh no drama, this is bad for the community, make it a PM, I hate this'. Also I fail to see why chatbox banter/trolling/whatever is so harmful and annoying, sure everyone sees it but it isn't there for ever and it is hardly that bad. It is like two people BMing on ladder and then someone pausing or random spectator say QQing and getting an admin and being like 'I HATE THIS DRAMA THIS COMMUNITY IS FILLED WITH LOVE'. It is the internet, accept trolling.

Have you ever been on any other gaming forum? Especially one that is centred around competition? This is like heaven compared to them and I don't understand why everyone gets so hurt and feels like they need to to be the moral one every time even a minor thing goes wrong or an issue arises. It is SC. It is the internet.

Just lol.

UHF · Wed, 23rd-Jan-2013, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by iM tgun

Escalate it to an admin? o-o.

That doesn't really do anything.

But otherwise, surely if it's becoming that much of an issue/detriment to the site, a separate forum category could be made for matter such as this (ie. Community Issues *Enter at own risk*). Set up rules for the category, and moderate it.

Drama is going to happen no matter what you do, so we either put up with it (which I'm fine with), or we facilitate it in a way that it is centralised and policed properly.

Zepph · Wed, 23rd-Jan-2013, 11:06 AM

If you don't like drama, don't involve yourself in it. It's that simple. Unfortunately disagreements on the site seem to be 95% people throwing in their worthless 2 cents, and 5% the people involved and a few others whos opinions may have merit trying to talk things out. On a public forum it's no small wonder that people are going to publicly post their opinions whether they step on someone else's toes or not. You cannot and should not expect every single person to care about their image on a forum, to care about a big scary infraction or warning on their post, to think rationally in the heat of the moment and to calmly approach the situation.

Sc2sea already does a pretty damn good job at not becoming one of the assholes of the internet like many other forums have. I think people get too butthurt over the few issues that blow up on the forums and somehow come to a conclusion that we're poisoning ourselves with endless drama. In the last 6 months I can only think of maybe 3-4 noteworthy dramas on the forum. Try to find me another gaming forum that has less than that. Good luck.

FSBenAD · Wed, 23rd-Jan-2013, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Zepph

If you don't like drama, don't involve yourself in it. It's that simple.

But thats the problem, I get involved when its involves my clan or a tournament I run, without any kind of choice on my own behalf.

I understand there is drama at times and I am fine with that. If I dont want to be invovled I wont get involved.

The thing I'd just like to see more of, from my own personal expereinces over the last 12 months of running a clan, admining tournaments and helping out where I can in the community, is that people try and solve their issues with an admin, clan, member personally if its possible.

I would much prefer to solve simple issues without their being a huge outbreak of insults, incorrect information and slander.

Yes there will always be drama, yes its not always possible to do what i ask, thats fine. I can accept that. I can accept there will be insults.

let me make it real simple for what I want.

You have a problem with a tournament i run, a tournament i admin, a topic I post, a member of my clan or my clan in general, PM me about it and tell me what ive/they've done and give me the chance to explain/fix it. If i dont do the right thing, feel free to create whatever blog / thread / A4 poster you want.

FSDele · Wed, 23rd-Jan-2013, 11:17 AM

I believe this post was instigated by someone publicly defaming a clan inappropriately in a public space, which can affect the reputation of the clan, no matter how ill-informed it may be.

Clan leaders such as BenAD put a lot of work into their clans, so when someone takes a swipe at it, they feel it worse than just some random member. Clan leaders often think of their clan as their baby!

Drama involving two random people is fine, i don't care, i can ignore that easily, and there are very few repercussions... But i think people should think twice before they create drama involving whole clans, and at least attempt to solve things privately before taking it to public space, and possibly damaging a whole clan's reputation. ( of course, issues like cheating should be called out appropriately, with sufficient evidence )

But.. You can't control the trolls unfortunately.

That's my thoughts anyway...

FSBenAD · Wed, 23rd-Jan-2013, 11:19 AM

To be fair Dele, its been a list of things lately which made me write, I dont want to dwell in individual incidents, all issues have been dealt with and want them to stay that way.

**iM tgun** · Wed, 23rd-Jan-2013, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by UHF

That doesn't really do anything.

But otherwise, surely if it's becoming that much of an issue/detriment to the site, a separate forum category could be made for matter such as this (ie. Community Issues *Enter at own risk*). Set up rules for the category, and moderate it.

Drama is going to happen no matter what you do, so we either put up with it (which I'm fine with), or we facilitate it in a way that it is centralised and policed properly.

So it's not an issue that can be handled by admins and you PMing him doesn't help: therefore, keep it off the site..

UHF · Wed, 23rd-Jan-2013, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by iM tgun

So it's not an issue that can be handled by admins and you PMing him doesn't help: therefore, keep it off the site..

If a PM doesn't work, and the player feels the community should know about the issue, is there any reason why it can't be posted on this site?

Out of curiosity, what issues can admins assist with that aren't direct infringements on the site itself?

**Maynarde** · Wed, 23rd-Jan-2013, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by UHF

If a PM doesn't work, and the player feels the community should know about the issue, is there any reason why it can't be posted on this site?

Out of curiosity, what issues can admins assist with that aren't direct infringements on the site itself?

Because admins are fabulous and we ban their tushies for being a sillybuns!