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New Fri, 21st-Dec-2012 12:52 AM
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Just made this video about the evolution of the ZvP metagame and why it makes me excited for the future of SC2 as a skilled based game. Thanks for checking it out ladies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVP7PjVNYAg
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New Fri, 21st-Dec-2012, 8:34 PM   Race: Location: Perth  Total Posts: 417  # 16
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You know this is gonna give you insults why you said it? You like getting attention or something..?

Sure you can disagree with something but no need to say it in a way you did. "This is dumb in many ways"?

Stop trying so hard
Theres the 1st !
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New Fri, 21st-Dec-2012, 8:35 PM BnetId: nGenJazBas.131  Race: Location: Auckland  Total Posts: 422  # 17
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Theres the 1st !
******* retard -_-
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New Fri, 21st-Dec-2012, 8:37 PM BnetId: [fray]FLuX.195  Race: Clan: mGG  Location: Dunedin, New Zealand  Total Posts: 860  # 18
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Re: Evolution of the Metagame

Really nice video Fenner! I agree 100% with every point, and the metagame WILL evolve.... Once blizzard nerfs ****ing imba immortal/sentry.
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******* retard -_-
Just relax jaz, not worth the effort.
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New Fri, 21st-Dec-2012, 8:41 PM BnetId: Fenner.227  Race: Location: Sydney  Total Posts: 716  # 20
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This is dumb in many ways... Just because parting did it to 1 person doesnt mean it is unbeatable or the strongest thing or new meta game, you talk about meta game is just 1 build someone does over and over , yeah parting might do 2 base all ins often but he doesnt just use it he gets 3 bases and macros stargates etc, 2 base all in can be beaten by anyone, just because sniper lost doesnt mean oh dear new meta, oh dear zerg cant beat it, If parting goes to every top zerg now in every tournament and just 3-0s 4-0s or w.e with 2 base every game yeah it might be imbalanced, you can allways win against brood infestor its just you put a bit more effort into it and dont 1 a you harass early ive been going 3 - 4 base against zerg atm and winning 90% of my games, all it is, is practice against broods infestor, 2 base imortal all beatable

Just my opinion lol
Sniper failed to hold it with the current standard of Zerg play which is just massing Roach Ling off 3 base and crushing any 2 base allin. He didn't make any mistakes with his macro/army positioning etc. So this way or metagame of holding 2 base allins is no longer viable. Even if only a small change is needed then it's still a change.

Either way assuming Sniper did make mistakes; The idea of the video is that there are still new strategies and styles coming out or being refined better so that they are stronger, meaning that the game still has player skill growth potential and the need for nerfs/buffs and whine about certain units isn't really needed.
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New Fri, 21st-Dec-2012, 8:42 PM   Race: Location: SE QLD  Total Posts: 237  # 21
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This is dumb in many ways... Just because parting did it to 1 person doesnt mean it is unbeatable or the strongest thing or new meta game, you talk about meta game is just 1 build someone does over and over , yeah parting might do 2 base all ins often but he doesnt just use it he gets 3 bases and macros stargates etc, 2 base all in can be beaten by anyone, just because sniper lost doesnt mean oh dear new meta, oh dear zerg cant beat it, If parting goes to every top zerg now in every tournament and just 3-0s 4-0s or w.e with 2 base every game yeah it might be imbalanced, you can allways win against brood infestor its just you put a bit more effort into it and dont 1 a you harass early ive been going 3 - 4 base against zerg atm and winning 90% of my games, all it is, is practice against broods infestor, 2 base imortal all beatable
Frustration did you even read the thread? The topic of PartinG and the immortal/sentry build was part of a hypothetical situation I put forth to promote discussion. I wasn't suggesting anything else.
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New Fri, 21st-Dec-2012, 8:42 PM BnetId: nGenJazBas.131  Race: Location: Auckland  Total Posts: 422  # 22
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Sniper failed to hold it with the current standard of Zerg play which is just massing Roach Ling off 3 base and crushing any 2 base allin. He didn't make any mistakes with his macro/army positioning etc. So this way or metagame of holding 2 base allins is no longer viable. Even if only a small change is needed then it's still a change.

Either way assuming Sniper did make mistakes; The idea of the video is that there are still new strategies and styles coming out or being refined better so that they are stronger, meaning that the game still has player skill growth potential and the need for nerfs/buffs and whine about certain units isn't really needed.
its funny how that retard edits what he wrote to look less worse lol
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New Fri, 21st-Dec-2012, 8:42 PM   Race: Location: Perth  Total Posts: 417  # 23
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Sniper failed to hold it with the current standard of Zerg play which is just massing Roach Ling off 3 base and crushing any 2 base allin. He didn't make any mistakes with his macro/army positioning etc. So this way or metagame of holding 2 base allins is no longer viable. Even if only a small change is needed then it's still a change.

Either way assuming Sniper did make mistakes; The idea of the video is that there are still new strategies and styles coming out or being refined better so that they are stronger, meaning that the game still has player skill growth potential and the need for nerfs/buffs and whine about certain units isn't really needed.
Fair point But at this stage of the game there wont be much more change untill new units its basicly finished to beat imortal sentry you would either base race with roach ling or just defend with more spines / roach ling.
It wont change :/
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New Fri, 21st-Dec-2012, 8:46 PM   Race: Location: Perth  Total Posts: 417  # 24
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Frustration did you even read the thread? The topic of PartinG and the immortal/sentry build was part of a hypothetical situation I put forth to promote discussion. I wasn't suggesting anything else.
wasnt talking to you ?
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New Fri, 21st-Dec-2012, 8:51 PM   Race: Location: Perth  Total Posts: 417  # 25
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You know this is gonna give you insults why you said it? You like getting attention or something..?

Sure you can disagree with something but no need to say it in a way you did. "This is dumb in many ways"?

Stop trying so hard
Ok does it satisfy you now it has nothing but my own opinion in it
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New Fri, 21st-Dec-2012, 8:53 PM BnetId: TAChadMann.277  Race: Clan: TA/sR  Location: Byron Bay  Total Posts: 2,806  # 26
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There is an edit button for a reason Frustration..

Learn to Forum chief.
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New Fri, 21st-Dec-2012, 8:54 PM   Race: Location: Adelaide, Australia  Total Posts: 1,638  # 27
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@Frustration; Edit one post instead of triple posting, it's in the guidelines!
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New Fri, 21st-Dec-2012, 8:54 PM BnetId: nGenJazBas.131  Race: Location: Auckland  Total Posts: 422  # 28
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Ok does it satisfy you now it has nothing but my own opinion in it please tell me if im wrong now and i should just be insulted for my opinion just 4 you
Do you read before you write? Do you have dyslexia? I said saying "Sure you can disagree with something but no need to say it in a way you did. "This is dumb in many ways"? "

I didn't say anything about you saying your opinion but the way you delivered it.

Sigh
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New Fri, 21st-Dec-2012, 8:55 PM BnetId: nGenJazBas.131  Race: Location: Auckland  Total Posts: 422  # 29
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LOL another edit. **** feel so sorry for Fenner for ruining this blog.

I deeply apologise
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New Fri, 21st-Dec-2012, 8:56 PM   Race: Location: Perth  Total Posts: 417  # 30
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Ask yourself this then What if the way i "deliver" it is my way its still my opinion and my way of doing it just because you dont like it doesnt mean you have to get your pantys in a knot and complain that the way i said it isnt up to your standards
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