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AsylumofSouls · Sun, 15th-Jul-2012, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ETL.Soundwave

Limiting entry to people with a certain amount of games played is dumb because I alternate between caring about US server and caring about SEA server. Sometimes I'll play 5 games in the whole season on SEA but mass ladder on US or vice versa.

The number of players who've said to me "go check my NA profile" and given me their mate's silver account details when they themselves are obviously platinum or better on the SEA server but still trying to play the BSG...
This is why we only look at SEA ladder for BSG eligibility.

Also, let me just say it's nice to see someone on the site respond to the comments below their post with some maturity. So many people in my opinion have been recently just going straight defensive and it seems more common now to attack the people who disagree with no consideration or insight whatsoever.

GGWP to you Sir; I hope you DO get a win in the GPD some day. Good Luck!

Shieldz · Mon, 16th-Jul-2012, 7:49 AM

i think that there is smurfs in these tournaments tho but like its just incredibly hard to find out all of the smurfers.

eCKoa'coolbeans · Mon, 16th-Jul-2012, 3:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumofSouls

GGWP to you Sir; I hope you DO get a win in the GPD some day. Good Luck!

thanks very much man

nice to hear someone understood what i was trying to get across instead of telling me to improve (something i need to do regardless)

Also nice to hear that it is mainly the admins that understand and agree with my statement.

DarKcS · Mon, 16th-Jul-2012, 5:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FlashFlamga

A better example is I am still in masters but maybe have 5-6 wins a season as I mostly play customs, I would be raped in the masters cup but am uneligible for the GPD as well. Sadly there will always be an exception to the rule, and in this case someone is taking advantage of it

This is pretty much the case for master cups as well. You'll either get knocked out first round by a GM or get a couple rounds in only to go up against ttpig, mafia or tgun. Not fun knowing you'll never win.

Maybe some heavily moderated middle ground tournaments for GPD and masters/diamond with no TOP GM Pros allowed might be give the layman a chance to feel good winning something (even without prizes).

AsylumofSouls · Mon, 16th-Jul-2012, 5:03 PM

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Originally Posted by coolbeans

Also nice to hear that it is mainly the admins that understand and agree with my statement.

I agree that it's hard to combat smurfing but we at the BSG are very practised at it and anyone trying to smurf is found out and removed; Usually before the second round nowadays.

I do not agree that the tournament is unfair if that's what you're suggesting, we put a lot of work in every week making sure of the exact opposite

I know people in the past have tried to do single league tournaments and despite the lower turnout, even those have such a wide skill range and like the other guys have said, anyone can have a good (or a bad) night. You just can't come out of a tournament surprised when you don't win, it's not the correct mindset.

sRDante · Mon, 16th-Jul-2012, 5:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DarKcS

Maybe some heavily moderated middle ground tournaments for GPD and masters/diamond with no TOP GM Pros allowed might be give the layman a chance to feel good winning something (even without prizes).

I agree with this, I feel like the BSG and GPD tournaments have too wide of a league restriction. A gold league player would almost have 0 chance to win or even get close. Ignoring the fact that there may be gm/masters smurfs in the tournament, a legit gold player would not stand a chance against a legit diamond player. I understand that the tournaments are mainly just to give lower tier players an experience in competing for e-sports, but it's always more enjoyable and competitive if you know you have a reasonable chance in getting close to the finals, or even winning the whole thing!

My personal suggestion is to reduce the league ranges in tournaments so like Bronze Silver, Gold Platinum, Diamond Masters, then GM (including the sea pro gamers)? It can be refined better, but just my initial thoughts towards this topic :P

eCKoa'coolbeans · Mon, 16th-Jul-2012, 7:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumofSouls

I do not agree that the tournament is unfair if that's what you're suggesting, we put a lot of work in every week making sure of the exact opposite

You just can't come out of a tournament surprised when you don't win, it's not the correct mindset.

Sorry i misunderstood! You make very good and interesting quotes, which make far more impact than the usual, you are wrong blah blah. Please do not think i don't appreciate the hard work that admins put in each week. Thank you for your feedback

YurickHarmon · Mon, 16th-Jul-2012, 8:27 PM

I can understand where you are coming from, as a rank 4 diamond who has played majority masters in the past few days, to get eliminated early on in the tournament is disheartening, but at the same time it teaches you where holes are in your gameplay, I find that invaluable. As for removing smurfs, could you not just use the bonus pool, rather than a number of games, pick an arbitrary number (say 150) that if its higher than that, they can not compete? its not hard to keep the bonus pool down, and it gives people incentive to do so, whilst making sure that at all stages of the season, the player has played a reasonable amount of games?

eCKoa'coolbeans · Mon, 16th-Jul-2012, 9:13 PM

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Originally Posted by YurickHarmon

As for removing smurfs, could you not just use the bonus pool, rather than a number of games, pick an arbitrary number (say 150) that if its higher than that, they can not compete?

That sir is a fantastic idea. Perhaps the bonus pool must be less then 10x the number of the GPD. For example, the first gpd of the season, bonus pool must be below 10, 20 for next. (although those numbers may be too low)

Great idea

TCPLemminks · Tue, 17th-Jul-2012, 4:03 AM

It's a good idea yes but do you honestly expect us to check the ladder of each and every single player who signs up? There are several rules in GPD, such as if you were masters at the end of the season before you are ineligible to participate, that we don't really follow because the other high diamonds are usually around that skill level.

Secondly about the masters cup, it's been said numerous times before but I'll say it here. There's a huge skill discrepancy in Masters, from low masters to high masters. Therefore I find that getting masters acts more as you breaking a new threshold, reaching a new tier if you will. Yes it's going to be hard in the beginning but it's added motivation to improve since you're basically at the bottom of that tier.

Thirdly perhaps you've just been unlucky and faced opponents of your skill level in the first / second round. that's nothing to be discouraged by though. Personally I don't mind being knocked out by someone who makes it to the top 4 since I don't really feel like I'm at that level.

Now to actually answer your question, not it's not ok for someone who plays minimal ladder games but whose skill level is well over high diamond. But we can't just say to them that they're not allowed to participate. As I've said before, the idea of the bonus pool is good, but logistically difficult unless the account you sign up with is linked to your b.net profile so that the server can automatically check the bonus pool. But having poor Eddie check all those sign ups by himself, now you can't question his dedication but there is a line between plausible and reasonable. Also as some people have stated, this is a community thing, watched and sponsored by the community. If people are doing what you're proposing, they'll be shamed by this community. Though that might not matter for some people, it does matter to others. Unfortunately we do have to rely on the good will of participants.

Lastly you should take your performance on ladder and a huge indicator for how you should fare in these tournaments.

As a side note, I view these tournaments as chances to play with people in this community, although there are those who are only here for these tournaments. The first place prize and such as just bonuses in my eyes, experiencing a tournament environment is what I sign up for.

YurickHarmon · Tue, 17th-Jul-2012, 12:36 PM

You would not have to have to check the rule yourself, if a person thinks they lost unfairly to a person, they can check the bonus pool themselves, and if its high, its pretty plausible that they could be a smurf, thus you have the rule and then enforce it as necessary, the same way you would enforce disconnects.

This is not to say I personally feel it necessary. I have not found anyone who exhibits the same skill level as a really high level player, the people I lose to win through skill I would expect of the range of GPD, It just speaks volumes of how serious those who play in the GPD tournaments are about improving that they consistently bring their A game to show some really good matches.

eCKoa'coolbeans · Tue, 17th-Jul-2012, 6:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TCPLemminks

having poor Eddie check all those sign ups by himself, now you can't question his dedication but there is a line between plausible and reasonable.

I completely agree, far to much work for one man, even for him

perhaps there could be a system in place where players are able to check the bonus pool (going into their profile and looking at their ladder reveals this) of their opponent before a game and take up any issues with admins before the game?

As for winning and prizes, I too think that it is a great way to connect with the community and see some cool games (such as your epic carriers :P) I aim to donate any prize money i earn