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**syfChadMann** · Sun, 17th-Apr-2016, 6:17 PM

We didn't refer to the rule to take an advantage. I just refused to allow seither to take a disadvantage. Yeah people were an arse about it afterwards, which is why I'm apologising, but miscommunication and over-reaction from your team is a big part of the issue also. It's always been clear that games were to be played on AUS.... I think its lucky its taken this long for Aus/NZ players to put their foot down and say no.. Like I said earlier, this happens all the time in other games. SC2 players are just too manner.

DuSt.Azure · Sun, 17th-Apr-2016, 6:17 PM

I think the fact you were taking what people, who had no involvement in the incident, were saying on twitter as any kind of representation of the situation was never going to end well.

From what you have said it seems like you didn't attempt to communicate with seither in any way to find out his side of the story and just assumed he was trying to gain an advantage instead of not forcing himself to play on a server he gets bad ping to when the rules (which have been known since the first season of wcs) clearly state the games are to be played on the Australian server.

I can see numerous tweets directly after your complained explaining the situation that you either misinterpreted or completely missed. e.g. https://twitter.com/fray_ChadMann/st...37913847033856.

At the end of the day you shouldn't let what everyone on twitter and twitch chat says get to you and use it as a reason to lash out at seither, fray and the admins.

**Philosopher** · Sun, 17th-Apr-2016, 6:19 PM

Alive Game!

freeedom · Sun, 17th-Apr-2016, 6:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Eddie

I was away and missed the tournament, but it's always been stated was to be played on NA (AUS).

If an arrangement was made between players + admin on some compromise, that's fair and a great display of sportsmanship! And seems like it was offered?

Strange it wasn't accepted, especially with so much on offer...

I wouldn't read to much into twitter/twitch comments. People like to make drama out of nothing.

I argued with EnDerr about refusing this offer. His point was he didn't want to play in a tainted disadvantaged series so that if he SEA was on g2, and others where g1/3 or whatever combo, he'd still lose no matter what in the crappy AUS/NA server he was forced to play on. I *sort of* see his point there.

BUT, me personally I'd take it coz it's better than nothing.

That's why I gave him a hard time about this - but he wasn't thinking clearly and made a rash decision... while pressured to start the game. You can imagine the position he was in, after his previous ping issues preventing him from playing in previous WCS tourneys.

NA was so bad for him, he saw no reason to play further, if he couldn't beat Seither with this ping, then how the F is he gonna beat Iaguz? So forfeiting was the option I agreed to, especially since his mental state at the time was so bad also.

FLuX · Sun, 17th-Apr-2016, 6:23 PM

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Originally Posted by freeedom

Yes we always thought we tried to have the best games on what's reasonable. We'd never refer to a rule to take an advantage. That's my point.

It was a change at the last minute for us.

And others replying with "suck it up", you're not adding to the conversation except being an ass. If enough people here on SEA do it, then I see no reason to continue here...

You're acting like a whiny little brat who's had his lollipop taken away, and I'm not sure if it's more comical or just plain sad. Continuing the trend of acting like a spoiled little brat, "If you don't give me my lollipop back I'm gonna run away and I'll never come back!".

Thanks for making my evening. It seems we're all in agreement here. The rules were followed, and Enderr can only blame himself for turning down an offer from both the admin and Seither that would actually disadvantage Seither in their series together. Perhaps it is worth making an effort in future to remember to review the rules before attempting to start a media shitstorm and dragging players and organizations who were in the right through the mud?

freeedom · Sun, 17th-Apr-2016, 6:23 PM

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Originally Posted by eCKo`Azure

I think the fact you were taking what people, who had no involvement in the incident, were saying on twitter as any kind of representation of the situation was never going to end well.

From what you have said it seems like you didn't attempt to communicate with seither in any way to find out his side of the story and just assumed he was trying to gain an advantage instead of not forcing himself to play on a server he gets bad ping to when the rules (which have been known since the first season of wcs) clearly state the games are to be played on the Australian server.

I can see numerous tweets directly after your complained explaining the situation that you either misinterpreted or completely missed. e.g. https://twitter.com/fray_ChadMann/st...37913847033856.

At the end of the day you shouldn't let what everyone on twitter and twitch chat says get to you and use it as a reason to lash out at seither, fray and the admins.

You are right about those - I'm clearing out my twitter for those people - and not pay attention to twitch chat.

Regarding the "it's always been this way". Yes I get that. But keep in mind, if you normally play games on SEA (this is for crying out loud SEA isn't it?), then later change it and say "refer to rule", then it's a big enough change that it screws with the player especially if his ping to AUS/NA is ridiculous.

freeedom · Sun, 17th-Apr-2016, 6:26 PM

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Originally Posted by fray`FLuX

You're acting like a whiny little brat who's had his lollipop taken away, and I'm not sure if it's more comical or just plain sad. Continuing the trend of acting like a spoiled little brat, "If you don't give me my lollipop back I'm gonna run away and I'll never come back!".

Thanks for making my evening. It seems we're all in agreement here. The rules were followed, and Enderr can only blame himself for turning down an offer from both the admin and Seither that would actually disadvantage Seither in their series together. Perhaps it is worth making an effort in future to remember to review the rules before attempting to start a media shitstorm and dragging players and organizations who were in the right through the mud?

You're trivializing our problem by saying "its a lollipop taken away". In our POV, it was like "hey play basketball but u have to wear stilletos, refer to the rule". This is not a lollipop like it's not important.

"you're sad" "it's comical" - SMH

FLuX · Sun, 17th-Apr-2016, 6:30 PM

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Originally Posted by freeedom

You're trivializing our problem by saying "its a lollipop taken away". In our POV, it was like "hey play basketball but u have to wear stilletos, refer to the rule". This is not a lollipop like it's not important.

SEA players deal with these issues all of the time. I was not referring to Enderr's situation, but I was referring more to YOUR situation. The fact that you immediately thought it okay to go on and post slander about a hard working and ethical player like Seither and overshadow his performance today by making it all about you; and then had the sheer audacity to come on to this forum and spout more nonsense and threaten to pull the plug on your support in the region, simply because people refused to agree with your idiocy.

I've been asked to stop posting, and I'm going to leave it here. You, as the owner of PsiStorm, need to review your actions this evening and the decisions you've made in the aftermath of this tournament and consider the way it reflects on your organization.

freeedom · Sun, 17th-Apr-2016, 6:33 PM

"audacity to post and spout more nonsense". - I see, so giving my POV and explaining here, is nonsense. Got it.

"your idiocy" - again, SMH

Seither · Sun, 17th-Apr-2016, 6:42 PM

This is just an elaborate plan to create drama to bring sc2sea back to life

DuSt.Azure · Sun, 17th-Apr-2016, 6:43 PM

All we need now is for you to post a thread with a picture of your face. You are the hero we need seither, bring this scene back to life.

Matt93 · Sun, 17th-Apr-2016, 6:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Seither

This is just an elaborate plan to create drama to bring sc2sea back to life

YOU DID THIS. YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO SAVE SEASPORTS NOT DESTROY IT

Seither · Sun, 17th-Apr-2016, 6:45 PM

nar im a evil vilan who says **** and makes ppl play on aus

**mGGNemesis** · Sun, 17th-Apr-2016, 6:45 PM

I'm glad that everyone has had a chance to say their pov. I'm just adding my 2 cents from my observations.

What I have noted is Enderr himself is trying to avoid it being turned into drama and seem surprised it was turned to be the way it did.

The tweet and reddit from freeedom is actually strongly worded as an accusation which resulted in several equally worded responses from various people in defence. When I read the tweet I was actually very uncomfortable and hence I dont really blame the reaction from the people who responded to it... even if they arent seemingly helpful for the situation sometimes.

Now that things have somewhat calmed down I think both fray and seither deserves an apology tbh (or it is already done and I missed). The tweet did seem to suggest an evil plot worthy of books which wasnt the intention. Seither is really a nice guy and it was sad to read that said about him.

Kreamy · Sun, 17th-Apr-2016, 6:48 PM

**** THE RULES BRO
HIT UP THAT 420 SEA SERVER EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS PLAY ON AUS VAPE
IF THEY DONT LIKE IT JUST BANG THEIR GIRLFRIENDS
YOU SUPPLY THE SALT AND ILL BRING THE HUNNIES
LETS GET SOME ELO BOYS
WE IN IT
LEGGO
BIG SEAN I DONT **** WITH YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU