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Stallion · Wed, 17th-Feb-2016, 2:44 PM

I disagree, in sc2 you can tell if an attack is going to work before the attack without being a pro but each to their own, I'm not really here to debate what can or can't be done based on X and Y.

ThatGuyDoMo · Wed, 17th-Feb-2016, 2:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Stallion

I disagree, in sc2 you can tell if an attack is going to work before the attack without being a pro but each to their own, I'm not really here to debate what can or can't be done based on X and Y.

You're both missing and making my point. Starcraft is a conceptual game, knowledge = power and roughly translates into skill. It doesn't have a physical aspect that reigns you in.

e.g. Professional basketball players have perfect knowledge of how to shoot the ball, but the nature of their bodies prevents them from perfectly being able to do this, that is why you can have good coaches who understand the theory well without having the physical ability.

In sc2, it's virtually all knowledge, a good coach is also a good player. For example, a gold player cannot coach above a gold level. Skill is very intimately tied up with knowledge in this game.

Hope that made sense.

Stallion · Wed, 17th-Feb-2016, 3:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatGuyDoMo

You're both missing and making my point. Starcraft is a conceptual game, knowledge = power and roughly translates into skill. It doesn't have a physical aspect that reigns you in.

e.g. Professional basketball players have perfect knowledge of how to shoot the ball, but the nature of their bodies prevents them from perfectly being able to do this, that is why you can have good coaches who understand the theory well without having the physical ability.

In sc2, it's virtually all knowledge, a good coach is also a good player. For example, a gold player cannot coach above a gold level. Skill is very intimately tied up with knowledge in this game.

Hope that made sense.

i understand the point you are making i just don't agree.

SLCN.Wally · Wed, 17th-Feb-2016, 3:01 PM

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i understand the point you are making i just don't agree.

That was a stunning counter point. Just pack it up domo you've lost.

Stallion · Wed, 17th-Feb-2016, 3:07 PM

i really don't have time for your adolescent crap wally, kindly go be salty in your clan/team chat or somewhere where someone actually cares. I'm tired of your salty posts for no reason what so ever. I'll be back after dancing, so if you want to continue embarrassing yourself because you take this game o so seriously please feel free. You aren't getting a rise out of me at all

. DoMo i'd welcome a conversation on skype later if you are keen, i have to go but feels like you have an interesting perspective on the coach role.

SLCN.Wally · Wed, 17th-Feb-2016, 3:11 PM

aaaaand an insult was what I was waiting for. Further confirmation that instead of having an actual argument you have taken a position with no backing and were never going to change your mind no matter what anyone said. I am not trying to convince you to switch sides, I could not give a single **** what you thought about this. This was for everyone else reading.

ETL.Balimaar · Wed, 17th-Feb-2016, 3:18 PM

annnnnnd no one comes out of this little hissy fit looking pretty

gj all!

**ToRSpartaz** · Wed, 17th-Feb-2016, 3:21 PM

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That was a stunning counter point. Just pack it up domo you've lost.

As much as I often neglect to read half the posts on this website nowadays, ^ comment was probably not needed Hayden.

**mGGNemesis** · Wed, 17th-Feb-2016, 3:31 PM

I agree with Spartaz. I feel the way some of the comments made/phrased were more hostile than it needed to be or baiting for a certain response which kinda also derails the thread as well or is very discouraging.

There are good points made as well which Stally should consider even if he disagrees at this moment. All of us seek to improve and to contribute to the community and to the game. Stally is merely expressing his desire to do that.

More positivity and ideas, less negativity can help make the place and community and the game a better place

SLCN.NXZ · Wed, 17th-Feb-2016, 3:41 PM

best of luck man =]

JunO · Wed, 17th-Feb-2016, 3:43 PM

If you are unable to hold your argument against a pro player then you're not fit for a coach. Pro players are ******* stubborn and usually never willing to take advice. If you're opening mediocre build orders (as Wally stated), that alone tells me you don't have enough conceptual game knowledge to hold your ground.

You can definitely coach, just not anyone better than you and that makes your work lose credibility. You can't coach Starcraft unless if you can actually play up to a certain standard.

SLCN.Wally · Wed, 17th-Feb-2016, 4:15 PM

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As much as I often neglect to read half the posts on this website nowadays, ^ comment was probably not needed Hayden.

lol god everyone here is so scared that someone will be offended by something that they never give any sort of criticism. It's actually just awful to look at. The first 5 comments or w/e were about how 4 years ago he did moderately well in a tournament and how that meant he was now qualified to coach.

SLCN.NXZ · Wed, 17th-Feb-2016, 4:56 PM

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lol god everyone here is so scared that someone will be offended by something that they never give any sort of criticism. It's actually just awful to look at. The first ******* 5 comments or w/e were about how 4 ******* years ago he did moderately well in a tournament and how that meant he was now qualified to coach.

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x5.Stallion
fray.Stallion
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SLCN.Stallion

Ok guys pick whichever you think looks the nicest

irrelevant to your point

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do you have any prior experience? If you want to coach for a team you'll probably be required to have some past experience and to have good game knowledge.

If you don't have any current experience and you're still interested you should ask around some of the smaller teams/clans in America.

now notice how someone asked a question about his credentials, and you know what people did? they answered the question obviously.

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Stallion was previously on a high level Australaian team and has plenty of experience within the SEA competitive scene. I'd be happy to discuss this further with you but will speak with my team first.

That said, to anyone interested i would happy to personally vouch for Stallion and his game knowledge.

he doesn't even mention doing well at one tournament, like calm down bro

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Also vouching for stallion as a pretty swell guy

Nothing to do with what you've said

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4th place WCS NZ for a start , He's from the old guard.

WOW! One god damn post about his results (out of 7 replies) and it was in response to someone asking him what his credentials were.

I appreciate your point Wally, but you came out of the gates unnecessarily antagonistic because of your prior experiences with stallion and you know that as well as I do.

And obviously stallion was essentially saying, look, let's agree to disagree because obviously he wouldn't be doing this if he didn't think he could add value as a coach. That isn't to say that he IS a good coach and that dissenting opinions should be discouraged just that you don't need to be a dick about it. (see domo's posts)

**ToRSpartaz** · Wed, 17th-Feb-2016, 5:18 PM

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lol god everyone here is so scared that someone will be offended by something that they never give any sort of criticism. It's actually just awful to look at. The first 5 comments or w/e were about how 4 years ago he did moderately well in a tournament and how that meant he was now qualified to coach.

No their not, such a deluded statement. The tone of your comment was baiting, and of course Stally will respond negatively as a result of it. It's kinda like, in response to Domo's point he acknowledged his feedback, but he just took at as an opinion.

You've made your point, past results aren't nearly as relevant as current ones, but that shouldn't necessarily mean that you should constantly bring up the issue, and deter anyone from potential coaching.

I mean sure, realistically their is a risk that what Stally may potentially be teaching newer players may be a bit outdated, or even if you want to be more blunt to say "wrong" in its entirety, people will be aware of the risks without having to force the issue further.

And trust me when I say, this isn't a circle jerk - I personally find it irritating when posts like this lose the good outcomes that were intended. Nem, if this post keeps on going throughout the rest of the evening, I would close it/start using warnings.

**mGGNemesis** · Wed, 17th-Feb-2016, 5:31 PM

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Nem, if this post keeps on going throughout the rest of the evening, I would close it/start using warnings.

I agree. Consider it the final reminder to all. Positivity, not negativity. Keep it constructive. This has nothing to do with the 'fear of offending people'.