TLR We need drama back in this community, professionalism is something that we can never truly achieve in a scene as small as ours and have it grow. Maybe one day when the game becomes much larger we can aim for that but for now we need to drop the ******* PR bullshit and bring things back to how they where.
Also since I'm writing most of this from memory a few things may be slightly inaccurate but I think the general point is still pretty clear (and I ramble a bit skim reading at times might be necessary)
I guess I should start where I'm coming from, as far as history goes I came into the scene pretty late (around early 2012 if I remember rightly). But automatically I was drawn to the community and the people involved, like everyone else I had heard of Teamliquid far before SC2SEA but it lacked something for me. For a long time I couldnt pinpoint it but now with confidence I can easily say that Teamliquid lacked personality for me, the scale was too large and names didnt mean shit the only people you remembered where Mods and Trolls. But SC2SEA was different here was this home grown community site that felt really ******* organic, there was more circle jerking then a ******* gay bukkake and status meant everything. I meant lets be honest now if some random diamond made a detailed post pointing out how >insert pro player here was actually just a one trick pony or something people would hear him out. I mean of course a few of us would tell him that he ******* knows nothing and should shut up but more then half of the people who would respond would post some PR friendly bullshit like "Some decent points are made/Good write up" or "Come on guys hes just expressing his opinion give him a fair chance". Compared to back when I first came into the scene if someone made a post like that they would be ******* torn to shreds SC2SEA was a hierarchy and had more cliques then High school but that was what made it so ******* amazing.
I lurked for a long time before even attempting to post anything, I read all the old threads and learnt all the in jokes (shoutout to my school for giving me a laptop and not blocking SC2SEA or Twitch). But that was great, it was like this website was some shitty slice of life anime that you had to know a bit about before you could jump into it. Everyone had such defined personalities I mean one of the first people who's name I really started to notice was Spook and I mean how couldn't you. Here was this ******* dude who would shit talk anyone and everyone one of the first streamed matches from SC2SEA I watched was Spook verse Centrelink in a BO3 because one of them started shit talking the other and you know what this was better then most pro matches I have watched. I mean they where both really ******* bad but the hype leading up to it was amazing, here was two people you recognized who genuinely and openly disliked each other playing for nothing but pride and shit talking rights. It was personal and it was organic, this wasn't organized by a third party this was a challenge issued on an open forum and that is what made it great. None of this was uncommon either I mean there used to be ******* weekly blogs calling out people for a BO3 RvR, Mafia tried to revive the SEA ladder by basically challenging anyone to beat him and who could forget the ******* epic series that where played and loser had to change his name to something stupid for a week. These always meant more to me as a viewer then any prizepool because it wasnt just a game of Starcraft it was infused with personality, it was more then just a game where the players are literally interchangable and no one gives a **** about (COUGH EVERY KOREAN TOURNAMENT IN THE LAST TWO YEARS COUGH). These where two people you where genuinely interested in and as a result this spilled over into lans and caused them to be even more interested ACL and local tournaments where so hype because of the storylines that existed beforehand.
Just as a footnote to that I would like to say it wasnt exclusive to players, there was massive rivalries between clans and that made things even better. Everyone in this scene knows everyone and because of that you hated other clans, I was in TCP and hated SR with a passion because I though Grim was a snide twat and generally disliked a lot of there players. So any form of Clanwar against them was so exciting for me and I wanted to win more then I ever have in any form of professional tournament. But in a sense clans where a lot like people so I wont write another massive paragraph that basically states the same thing.
Finally I just wanna talk about why this website is dying and face it, it is there is no where near as many people and threads as there used to be and at times chatbox is totally dead which is something that never used to happen. We've had moments where things looked like they might change I mean **** I would say in the last year the times when things looked like they might be on the rise where caused by the likes of old IXL, Frustration calling large amounts of people out (I still have no idea half the time if you are trolling or not but **** dude its more entertaining then most of the shit people usual spew), Troy ******* over that dude from Europe and AV ******* everyone over. Moments when no matter how hard people tried they couldnt keep up the PR facade for a brief moment we had the drama and rivalries back and we had what made me fall in love with the SC2 community back. But it died it was killed because now all we want to aim for is "Professionalism" well **** that you assholes wanna bring back the golden age then do something about it. BE INTERESTING, someone does something you really hate and you know is total bullshit call them out, bring back the troll posts and the ******* stupid meme threads, hell half of these problems could probable be solved by bring back people like Tgunn or Light etc who literally embodied the spirit of this scene. We have come to an crossroad and what we do from here is basically how we decide if this website becomes a hotspot of activity that causes the SEA scene to grow larger then ever with the release of Legacy of the Void or we all **** off back to league of legends and let that shitty ******* game grow even more.
___________________________________ "Never forget what you are. The rest of the world will not. Wear it like armor, and it can never be used to hurt you." - Tyrion Lannister
Yeah Eddie, I think that having a problem with someone and challenging them or calling them bad or w/e is fine. What isn't fine is the MezjE/Malice le epik style of edgy trolling where you're just a massive douchebag to everyone and talking shit that isn't even related to SC2.
I'm going to say we're more liked in the community than you think mate. Just because you don't like us because we don't spray our feet with deoderant at LAN doesn't mean everyone else is in the same boat.
Let's be honest mate, this scene started dying as soon as Mezje, RuineD and myself left. IXL was the absolute shit, who else talked as much shit as we did? We were the best and everyone started quitting pretty much because we stopped playing.
All the shit players started getting onto teams that were once strong lineups - "fray'Alpha" I mean, what the ****. - I remember the thread where I was announced into Qlimax crew and Chadmann was talking shit saying I was a bad pickup, and that retired players were of more worth than I was on a team and he recruits ALPHA on his team later as a charity pickup because he was on their "academy" Just LOL.
Also, what is wrong with talking shit that isn't related to sc2? I didn't know this forum was for exclusive sc2 only topics... How boring.
In all honesty, I think people stopped loving the game. Everyone had something to prove and played to beat players in the community, place well, and rep their clan well. I enjoyed seacl back in 2013 immensely because I enjoyed playing with all my clan mates & we did quite well in our division, we all tried to play our best to prove something. As soon as people started quitting grinding the game just stopped being fun. The fact there is not as many people here talking shit is because straight up, there is just not the playerbase left. Go look at the challonge brackets for the old wT weeklies, and how huge they were, or any tournament back then. They were 3-4x bigger than nowadays. Same goes for everything, chatbox activity, forum activity. The players just aren't there.
I think Crescendo needs to get the memo that IXL actually died like a year ago, even our skype chat is pretty dead now, and I don't even know who he is :s
I'm going to say we're more liked in the community than you think mate. Just because you don't like us because we don't spray our feet with deoderant at LAN doesn't mean everyone else is in the same boat.
Let's be honest mate, this scene started dying as soon as Mezje, RuineD and myself left. IXL was the absolute shit, who else talked as much shit as we did? We were the best and everyone started quitting pretty much because we stopped playing.
All the shit players started getting onto teams that were once strong lineups - "fray'Alpha" I mean, what the ****. - I remember the thread where I was announced into Qlimax crew and Chadmann was talking shit saying I was a bad pickup, and that retired players were of more worth than I was on a team and he recruits ALPHA on his team later as a charity pickup because he was on their "academy" Just LOL.
Also, what is wrong with talking shit that isn't related to sc2? I didn't know this forum was for exclusive sc2 only topics... How boring.
In all honesty, I think people stopped loving the game. Everyone had something to prove and played to beat players in the community, place well, and rep their clan well. I enjoyed seacl back in 2013 immensely because I enjoyed playing with all my clan mates & we did quite well in our division, we all tried to play our best to prove something. As soon as people started quitting grinding the game just stopped being fun. The fact there is not as many people here talking shit is because straight up, there is just not the playerbase left. Go look at the challonge brackets for the old wT weeklies, and how huge they were, or any tournament back then. They were 3-4x bigger than nowadays. Same goes for everything, chatbox activity, forum activity. The players just aren't there.
I think Crescendo needs to get the memo that IXL actually died like a year ago, even our skype chat is pretty dead now, and I don't even know who he is :s
I get along with everyone that I interact with, with the exception of demilove, my goodness his ego is huge. He has like a personal vendetta against me because he can't beat me.
I get along with everyone that I interact with, with the exception of nxz, my goodness is he a bad friend. He has like a personal vendetta against me because I call him out on it.
It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.
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I get along with everyone that I interact with, with the exception of nxz, my goodness is he a bad friend. He has like a personal vendetta against me because I call him out on it.
Disappointed Ryan.
"Although I am a bad friend over ten times a day, and it feels like my friendship will melt down. I hold myself up thinking, 'I should live up to that name.'"
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