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**syfChadMann** · Sat, 18th-Oct-2014, 7:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chasu

this seems a little harsh especially to people who have been stuck in diamond for a while and commited a lot to this game but i agree with your main point. one of the reasons i dont join any teams is because i dont feel like i can put results down and thats really what sponsors want from a team

I am being particularly harsh for the sake of the point I'm trying to make. Also, consider that the viewpoint held by those that have something to give in terms of sponsorship.. You're bit of skill and commitment doesn't mean much when they are trying to run a profitable business.

FLuX · Sat, 18th-Oct-2014, 7:57 PM

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Originally Posted by fray`Wally

Kaceytron is my favourite pro gamer though

Oh goody! I hope my name change request goes through this time then, I'd love to be your favourite

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**syfRize** · Tue, 21st-Oct-2014, 10:39 AM

Fack, why did I only see this just now

Solid post yo, and a good message to all "hopefuls" in the scene who think Diamond is the next best thing.

A team environment does NOT work with only lower level players, and a clan can fill any need a diamond player has for social practise.

ShayneRarma · Mon, 12th-Jan-2015, 10:43 PM

uhhhhhh.. In light of recent events... BUMP!

**syfRize** · Mon, 12th-Jan-2015, 10:45 PM

Diamond teams with sponsors are the new thing everyone

mGGIcedTea · Mon, 12th-Jan-2015, 10:46 PM

gj shayne i r8 8/8

eCKoa`ProzeR · Mon, 12th-Jan-2015, 10:48 PM

Sponsors are the shit

Rendorian · Mon, 12th-Jan-2015, 10:54 PM

Inb4 this gets bumped again in 2 weeks

Kreamy · Mon, 12th-Jan-2015, 10:55 PM

Gotta show them sponsors all them GPD results

Satu · Tue, 13th-Jan-2015, 12:45 PM

Only just read this after hearing it via others. Completely on point, I think "team" managers set the bar too high initially, when they should perhaps start as a small clan and attempt to foster player growth.

ToRChoboSniper · Tue, 13th-Jan-2015, 2:15 PM

I agree with everyone and I'm sad how few professional teams there are. There's some of great examples of how to start a team, and plenty of examples of what to avoid, but people still seem to insist on stumbling forward blindly. I honestly didn't realize Ascension existed until team revolt disbanded. I've probably been on the thread before; most likely I looked at the roster, thought "meh" and then completely disregarded them. Personally, I thought my stint on ecko was unexpectedly good, with some results that stand out. However, even players that are much better than me doesn't really produce much value to a team, and because of that I'm always reluctant in joining one, even if I'm in shape. I know it can feel "cool" to join a "professional" team, but the reality is most teams fail. If you're diamond and a team wants you, it's much more likely to fail spectacularly.

Unless you somehow luck out on a sponsorship (which is much, much harder than it seems), a team improves at a glacial pace. There's a lot of loyalty expected and a lot of loyalty needed if you want to be part of a team you can be genuinely proud of, and this means you really want to get to know the team before you join. Talk to people knowledgeable about the scene, talk to people that know their sponsors and manager, talk to the players you know (I don't recommend joining a team without players you know) and finally talk to the manager about the team structure, what they expect of you, what you can expect of them, of your aspirations and goals and the future path the team is going to take. I genuinely hope a few more teams will make it out of the incredibly difficult first stages. I loved being in a team, I loved playing for a team and I loved playing CWs against other teams, but all that is only possible with the high standards successful teams currently have.