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**|Erasmus|** · Mon, 3rd-Mar-2014, 7:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ToRPox

stop trying to justify your mech habit and get back in rehab

It's not very effective...

Chiddiru · Mon, 3rd-Mar-2014, 7:33 PM

I'm not trying to say that I won't learn how to macro, I'm just not taking on the fact that if you macro perfectly you will regardless of how you play otherwise, I want to be good with unit conservation, again it just comes down to playstyles, also I am sure PiG and many other pros would say the equivalent that if you aren't actually building the right units and reacting in an effective manner you won't win, I am not making the same mistake I did with zerg of just doing macro orientated practice without learning other fundamentals of the game is my ppoint i guess.

With zerg I got really solid at both the 2 base roach style to get use to injects etc as per the FilterSC Bronze to masters zerg guide and i then went onto learning 3 base roach max as well, but I just did those and I went to learn other builds, but because I didn't understand things like unit counters, unit compositions, scouting and what i am scouting for I just hit a wall, don't get me wrong I was never perfect, while doing the 2 base roach build from filters guide i was around 96% inject (but wasn't creep spreading) and in thwe 3 base roach max I was around the 92% mark, again not perfect but even with that mechanics I would lose games outright because I never understood the other basics of the game.

I believe that with my research and how I am approaching my learning this time around, I will be a much more well rounded player, sure I won't get my macro and my mechanics instantly, but I will understand what I need to be doing and eventually I will be much stronger with terran in the long run, in my opinion, it is better to learn of a good set of fundamentals then to just build those foundations 1 pillar at a time, as there will always be a lean and a reduction on the other sides etc.

ETL.Balimaar · Mon, 3rd-Mar-2014, 8:06 PM

Thought I would drop by and wish you luck FeDe

I too am heartily tired of people telling me macro is king. its an important part but if you neglect everything else... things just wont work. i.e constantly working on producing constant streams of zealots and immortals doesnt hel you if you dont scout your opponents mass Void Ray build.

OK extreme example there haha but the point stands.

Also FeDe props to you so far. Your manner has improved a great deal! Keep it up brother!

VB_Inter · Mon, 3rd-Mar-2014, 8:10 PM

Learn macro build, make marines, marines > all, win

. oh don't forget that stim button.

VB_Blake · Tue, 4th-Mar-2014, 7:38 AM

You might not win with just macro in masters or gm but you will in bronze. And what do you mean that "macro comes with playing, hence why just studying atm"

What army composition beat your 3 base roach max? and macro isnt just about injects...either way its up to you im just adament building more shit than the other guy will win you game (in the lower leagues)

Chiddiru · Tue, 4th-Mar-2014, 12:41 PM

Everyone is allowed their own opinion bandit

VB_Blake · Tue, 4th-Mar-2014, 7:31 PM

yah just saying what worked for me, up to you how you approach i suppose

Chiddiru · Tue, 4th-Mar-2014, 7:39 PM

full aware, hence my comment bud, no sarcasm or malice intended with the comment

SLCN.Wally · Tue, 4th-Mar-2014, 7:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Snx.FeDe

Also I am trying to get away from the notion that macro beats everything regardless, I want to and will focus on unit conservation, I want to make my units matter, I believe that if you know how to use units effectively you will win more games, having good macro and always keeping your money low is a fine goal but, i still think if you dont lose your units over and over because you use them properly you will probably do better.

That is a wrong assumption, if you have more units 90% of the time you will win. you assume that because you have 92% inject rate(rofl I barely get over 70%) that you have good macro, I've looked at your stream a bit and you are usually floating 3k 1k off 2-3 bases, your injects can be as good as you want but if you aren't spending that larva what is the point of even having it.

If you learn how to spend your money I will guarantee that you will make at least diamond by the end of the year, if not masters. if you focus on learning builds, tricks and micro you won't make it past platinum. Tricks are nice but there is a limited amount of stuff you can do with micro.

Macro also helps build you game knowledge, you microing marines vs ling bane only teaches you how to micro marines vs ling bane. If you start by just making as many marines as you can, building barracks as you start to float money and just spend your minerals as much as you can you'll start to realise "hey maybe if I get tanks at this time I won't lose to this all in" or "if I start the armory when my +1 is at 70 seconds then it will finish when my upgrade finishes " and you'll pick up on how things time out.

You say "everyone has their own opinion" but you have to realise many of us have more experience in this then you, personally I have gone from never playing an rts before to being top masters, Blake is a smart guy and also terran, you should really listen to him too haha.

SLCN.Wally · Tue, 4th-Mar-2014, 7:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Balimaar

Thought I would drop by and wish you luck FeDe

I too am heartily tired of people telling me macro is king. its an important part but if you neglect everything else... things just wont work. i.e constantly working on producing constant streams of zealots and immortals doesnt hel you if you dont scout your opponents mass Void Ray build.

OK extreme example there haha but the point stands.

Also FeDe props to you so far. Your manner has improved a great deal! Keep it up brother!

The only difference is that marines shoot everything

MacroJackson · Wed, 5th-Mar-2014, 4:20 PM

If you try and focus on micro it will be a detriment to your macro. There is a reason every coach recommends this approach, and it's not to put you down.

Save your self some time and take the advice of people better than you. This is how you'll improve.

Good luck.

Chiddiru · Wed, 5th-Mar-2014, 4:43 PM

wrist got wrecked at work, a guy got fired, all is well and good

SLCN.Wally · Wed, 5th-Mar-2014, 5:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MacroJackson

If you try and focus on micro it will be a detriment to your macro. There is a reason every coach recommends this approach, and it's not to put you down.

Save your self some time and take the advice of people better than you. This is how you'll improve.

Good luck.

omg I see you posting on reddit, never knew you were on sea :O

AxS.Dodda · Thu, 6th-Mar-2014, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MacroJackson

If you try and focus on micro it will be a detriment to your macro. There is a reason every coach recommends this approach, and it's not to put you down.

Save your self some time and take the advice of people better than you. This is how you'll improve.

Good luck.

if you want to reach your goals, don't ignore this advice Fede. Focusing on micro at a lower level is counter productive.

RuineD · Thu, 6th-Mar-2014, 3:04 PM

why do low skilled players get caught up in thinking that to improve they need to focus on an array of minuscule fundamentals when there's the blatant fact that they suck at macro staring at them from the abyss?