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**syfChadMann** · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 2:35 PM

There needs to be competition between teams for the sponsors to have more value in sponsoring them. If one team wins everything and stifles growth in the region and takes all the sponsorship then they have no one to vs, and shit gets boring really quickly. And Sponsorship is all about directing marketing budget to gather exposure, fray isn't having these issues because Pet and iaguz left. That is a small piece to it all, but its not the reason.

anyway, please don't turn my blog into a debate on juggernaut teams in SEA. They won't work, move on. Any questions, please post.

x5_Bard · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 2:40 PM

What dox said is spot on. Why get the top 4 players in the country and pay them to go internationally when you could have SC2, LoL, CoD and probably even DOTA2 divisions for the same money. Sponsors want exposure, if you have ticked the "top 3 SC2 player" box there is really no need to get more top 3 players.

Either way sorry to hear about your problems chad, I can definitely empathise with your situation.

**Dox** · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 2:40 PM

So we're not allowed to continue the discussion here?

**syfChadMann** · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 2:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dox

So we're not allowed to continue the discussion here?

You can do what ever you want mate, but I'm just saying - Discussion is moot. Move on, stick to the topic at hand. Make a new thread if you want?

NDG.Stitch · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 3:02 PM

It's great that you go around to sharing the situation with fray, I'm sure many of us have been wondering. It's hard for a team to accept the loss of two vital players on the squad... However SEA has always had this trend. It's really the inevitable. Once players get that good, it is very hard for any organization to offer them what they need to further their development.

Hope everything turns out okay for fray and for you Chadman!

**VoxMSI.Rogue** · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 6:18 PM

Was the academy made aware of these issues when they applied?

At the time you announced applications you featured Ninja, Petraeus and Iaguz in the picture saying they would be coaching when all 3 had left the team at this point, this seems to be misleading for those who joined with this promise.

Pandan · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 6:57 PM

#OffTopic - Dox is spot on. We've both made mistakes with Nv, Gamecom and Archaic / the concept of a super team. I decided to drop all Archaic teams and focus on helping events/grass roots for the games I love. In retrospect - it was "selfish" to hoard funding from my sponsors and only give it to the players that I liked/recruited. If I had it all over again, I would have spent at least $40k of it in much, much different ways.

#OnTopic - It was always going to be a bit of an uphill battle with Fray; I know the difficulties of (be diplomatic, be diplomatic) management above you giving spasmodic instructions and support at that organisation. Hope things get better in your personal life. Life before eSports. If you have to chose, make the right decisions mate.

RuineD · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 8:47 PM

u guys lookijn at a dota team?

hlelo

**syfChadMann** · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 8:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ArcMSi.Rogue

Was the academy made aware of these issues when they applied?

At the time you announced applications you featured Ninja, Petraeus and Iaguz in the picture saying they would be coaching when all 3 had left the team at this point, this seems to be misleading for those who joined with this promise.

1) I didnt make the picture. It was just a picture
2) it was about finding the next talent in Sea to rise to the ranks of some of the others in the fray main team.
3) it wasnt final at the time I decided to make the fray academy that guz and pet were leaving.
The academy areny locked into the team they are free to come and go as they please. I dont think any of them feel con'd into joining the team, if they do they are free.yo explore other options.

**syfChadMann** · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 9:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pandan

#OffTopic - Dox is spot on. We've both made mistakes with Nv, Gamecom and Archaic / the concept of a super team. I decided to drop all Archaic teams and focus on helping events/grass roots for the games I love. In retrospect - it was "selfish" to hoard funding from my sponsors and only give it to the players that I liked/recruited. If I had it all over again, I would have spent at least $40k of it in much, much different ways.

#OnTopic - It was always going to be a bit of an uphill battle with Fray; I know the difficulties of (be diplomatic, be diplomatic) management above you giving spasmodic instructions and support at that organisation. Hope things get better in your personal life. Life before eSports. If you have to chose, make the right decisions mate.

Thanks mate. Much respect to everything you have achieved and are going to achieve. You are a driven and smart guy with a good focus on esports. Also, riddick has been taking a back seat in managing fray for abot a year. He is too busy. So it has nothing to do with him. He's been great.

**mGGNemesis** · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 9:01 PM

The only constant is change.

Time moves forward, people get better, people change their interest, just gotta move on, review and adapt etc.
One monopoly giant team isn't going to work though perhaps Goose was referring to one to rep the entire SEA region vs all the international teams out there. But having sufficient teams to keep up with the competitive spirit is as important if not, more important.

All the best Chad

Get that net fixed... u still need to 'smash' some people for the SEA TL

**Elusory** · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 10:36 PM

#OneLove

I wasn't around in SC2SEA during the times of Carnage so I have no idea what was going on back then. But as a newer member in this forum, I can only say even if you might not be able to re-build fray (I know you have plans to, all the best to that!), fray has definitely "made history" in my eyes by grooming iaguz and Petraeus. No other teams for now can say that they have players who moved on to big teams in other countries and it's a good enough achievement even if fray is not gonna rebuild.

I wish you all the best in your internet, but more importantly your patience in building another team! Don't stop dreaming, keep believing.