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Snx`Azz · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 9:29 AM

Esports is tough, I think you should consider a merger or look to acquire another team/org, might solve a lot of the retention & management/sponsorship issues.

**syfChadMann** · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 9:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Snx`Azz

Esports is tough, I think you should consider a merger or look to acquire another team/org, might solve a lot of the retention & management/sponsorship issues.

Certainly is, I would definitely consider an offer from the right group.

TheKidBuffalo · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 10:43 AM

nic , pm when you have time mate

**x5_dot** · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 11:05 AM

Hope your net issues sort itself out.

it's sad to see the best team in aus dwindle so quickly and so much in just a few months. Will look forward to seeing you guys rebuild again

**syfChadMann** · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 11:29 AM

Its a tough position for us, however fray couldn't stand against ROOT and I wouldn't want to, iaguz and Pet have been given a great opportunity to make a name for themselves in the international scene and I'm excited to see what they can achieve. I was proud and excited when they told me they were making the move to the US and I eagerly await their results and international tournaments soon.

fray will get through this, but basically we need to refresh and reboot the team. I look forward to helping more players reach their potential in the future ^_^

syfMightyKiwi · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 11:41 AM

i believe
one love

mGGDrGooSe · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 1:54 PM

Personally I back the idea of a single, world-beating SEA team and let the rest of the SEA chips fall where they may. A single team with WCS/IEM. etc level players is really the best way of securing continuing sponsorship. Problem there is, of course, how to get those people together? Pig, KK, Iaguz and Petreus are currently the only players I would consider to be at or approaching that level (no offence to others, there are others around who could hit that level in the next 6 months), and they are all (presumably) contracted. Any team consisting of players of a lower level than that is going to struggle for continuing sponsorship. I seem to hear a good amount of complaining from teams in the past that were part of multi-gaming teams (LoL, CoD, etc) about the level of support that the sc2 division gets.

Just my 2c, but I think the SEA killers is really something that should have happened a while ago - and the longer it doesn't happen, the greater the chance of more mass retirements from the scene like the cull we have witnessed over the last 12 months. I'm not saying the server is dieing - we've got some great talent around the place in Rev, Fenner, Probe doing some good work recently, Demilove has popped up from time to time, as also Lobo, etc etc - but I don't see any of these on a sea killer A team yet (yet people, give em a chance, they have it in em).

I'm with Azz. Let's look at some merger with the most dedicated and talented of sea and go kill some international noobs.

**Dox** · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 1:57 PM

Juggernaut teams don't work. You need to spread the talent around to encourage competition and keep the bar raising.

eCKoa`ProzeR · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 1:59 PM

Inb4 ex-snx players and fray players merge to become one team :>

mGGDrGooSe · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 2:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dox

Juggernaut teams don't work. You need to spread the talent around to encourage competition and keep the bar raising.

juggernaut teams may not/don't work for within SEA competition. The argument comes down to which is better for growing SEA, having talent spread around SEA, with its small viewer base, or having a reasonable number of players making it onto the world stage where everyone can see them. We tried the first way, and it got us sweet **** all.

Let's face it, we don't actually have any top level teams atm anyway. Of those 4 I mentioned, KK and pig are on teams by themselves (as in no one of their own level in the team - yes I knows Revs is a major player - but hasn't proven it yet.), and iaguz and pet went overseas because nothing is available for them here. So spreading out these players may be beneficial for our B siders, but completely useless for launching the best of the best into consistent international success.

**Dox** · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 2:14 PM

Why does it matter? This isn't a team game. As long as the best individuals are supported by someone, SEA is being represented appropriately. How would it be any different if PiG and KK were on the same team? It's hardly anything more than a different coloured shirt. They're both being given opportunities and that's what matters.

You put all your eggs in one basket, and suddenly you can't afford all your eggs.

SLCN.Kez · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 2:14 PM

ultimately sc2 is a 1v1 sport and having a powerhouse team doesn't really benefit players that much I feel. Sure you can argue if all good players are on 1 team they can practice together, but since our region is pretty light on competitions with decent prize pool the top players all know they are going to have to beat each other to win and hence don't really practice with one another anyway. Going overseas where there is a much bigger pool of players to practice with and against and at the same time having more tournaments viable to play in as well as better practice conditions is what makes the move overseas so much more favorable for people. You'll nearly always be a big fish in a little pond in SEA, even if you are in the same team with the other big fish.

**|Erasmus|** · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 2:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dox

You put all your eggs in one basket, and suddenly you can't afford all your eggs.

This. Even if a SEA team did okay in a team league somewhere, it's still beyond unlikely to boost their sponsorship revenue by so much that they suddenly can afford to be flown out to every NA/EU open bracket.

mGGDrGooSe · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 2:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dox

This isn't a team game.

I'll come back and maybe say some more when I get some time, but thoughts like this are completely demoralising to me. I find it patently wrong. To the point where I can't actually articulate any other thoughts because this one comment has completely thrown me into a loop.

**rezyn8** · Wed, 26th-Feb-2014, 2:33 PM

Sad to hear this, hopefully the academy players can step up to fill the void. As a team owner I can understand where you are coming from, keep up the good fight!

Have to agree with Dox as well in regards to super teams. Diversification drives the scene and makes people strive to become better.