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**x5_dot** · Sat, 11th-Jan-2014, 5:24 PM

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Originally Posted by fray`Petraeus

It's true I don't have a lot of experience with "refined" or practice. I don't do a lot of analysis of replays or working on specific areas; I just like to ladder. I feel that this mostly works out for me but I'm sure there are more efficient ways of doing it.

However I feel that this is another area of eSports where people are given far too much credit. Similar to people who appear to not practice at all, people who supposedly have smarter and more efficient practice are given so much more respect than "ladder warriors". People often disregard results and just assume that if someone is playing customs or watching replays instead of laddering that they are doing a better job.

Comments like "laddering is pretty useless most of the time" are great examples of how people fall for the illusion of more efficient practice.

I'm wondering: have you ever had a mental block? Or been unable to figure something out in the game? How did you beat it? Did you just continue laddering? I know Jared would eventually get tilted from it and play worse.

Also, are you doing anything differently now that you're in the Root House?

**mGGNemesis** · Sat, 11th-Jan-2014, 5:27 PM

Love PiG's schedule... and the most important 'Dorothy time'

ROOTPetraeus · Sat, 11th-Jan-2014, 5:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SLCN.Petrify

Have you ever seen someone win a gsl and credit their win to ladder? They always thank players for practicing with them.

Irrelevant argument. If you're preparing for a specific match in a tournament then of course you are going to practice with partners who match that race and/or play style especially if you have the infrastructure of a Korean team house.

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Originally Posted by x5_dot

I'm wondering: have you ever had a mental block? Or been unable to figure something out in the game? How did you beat it? Did you just continue laddering? I know Jared would eventually get tilted from it and play worse.

Also, are you doing anything differently now that you're in the Root House?

Not really. If I have a mental block its mostly due to my own bad mindset or being outplayed rather than not knowing how to beat something. More practice against it obviously helps and that does come slower on ladder but you get a lot more variety which I feel is better at my level at least.

At the ROOT House my practice is exactly the same as at home with the exception of constant advice from CatZ/Sasquatch which is always helpful. Sage is also an incredibly good coach and watches other people play the most which is funny considering we are all Zerg.

Fenner · Sat, 11th-Jan-2014, 6:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SLCN.Petrify

Have you ever seen someone win a gsl and credit their win to ladder? They always thank players for practicing with them.

Actually Jaedong said sometime that he practices almost exclusively on ladder since then he can play the most variety

**nGenLight** · Sun, 12th-Jan-2014, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Maynarde

Hahaha I love how "Dorothy Time" is only 1 hour maximum. Priorities! ^

Jared you lucky pig, my boyfriend duties ranges from anywhere between 1-3 entire days per week where I can't do anything else but give her my fullest attention.

x5.RunaMoK · Sun, 12th-Jan-2014, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by iM Light

Jared you lucky pig, my boyfriend duties ranges from anywhere between 1-3 entire days per week where I can't do anything else but give her my fullest attention.

gotta lay down the law ray!!

**iM tgun** · Sun, 12th-Jan-2014, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SLCN.Petrify

Have you ever seen someone win a gsl and credit their win to ladder? They always thank players for practicing with them.

"I'd like to thank myself for being so fuckin' awesome and laddering all day"

Yeah that'd sound awesome.

SLCN.NXZ · Sun, 12th-Jan-2014, 11:31 AM

You guys gotta keep in mind that jaedong hasn't won a GSL or a format similar in SC2. Nor has he finished highly. He excels in the weekend tournaments, which, interestingly is a lot more like ladder then a gsl format where custom games for prepared builds is much more effective. For the foreign scene, it is ignorant to say that custom games are the best way to practice and that you shouldn't ladder. In the end, it comes down to what you end up practicing the most against. If you only ladder and hit a mech terran once every 20 zvt games and play a mech only player in a tournament you just won't do as well as someone who found a mech only practice partner and played many games against that style. On the other hand if you end up vs a bio terran than the ladder player would have the advantage.

**x5_dot** · Sun, 12th-Jan-2014, 11:48 AM

Sigh, try to suggest different practice methods in addition to laddering. Turns into an argument over the best way to practice o.O

ToRSpookToR · Sun, 12th-Jan-2014, 12:19 PM

Stop starting drama Dot.

Stallion · Sun, 12th-Jan-2014, 5:42 PM

I Envy Pet and his dedication to playing mass games, I really do think it is the best method unless practicing for something like a gsl final. pets argument with the mindset and more practice is actually the best response and by massing the ladder you get the extra advantage of not knowing when it is coming. one of the worst things about doing a custom game is you know whats coming generally. I found when watching replays and pro games it didn't really help at all. in the end why are you on here reading this instead of playing a ladder game. comon people #dedication

**nGenLight** · Sun, 12th-Jan-2014, 9:30 PM

In my experience, a combination of mass laddering and MU preparation is the best. Your play will always be flawed if you forego one or the other. We are all correct here.

BAD.BiGbiRd · Tue, 4th-Feb-2014, 5:54 AM

Ray is god, discussion over.

On topic, discussing practice methods is extremely pointless as almost everyone practices differently. For example two people that do nothing but mass ladder will still do it in a different way. One person might practice 1 build per match up per map all day while the second might practice 1 style of play all day (Macro/cheese etc)

In the end you just have to find what suits you best, and whatever that style is work hard/put in the time using it. Back when i played the best players (in Oce) were all the hardest workers and i'm sure they all had different methods of practice that worked for them