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**cure** · Thu, 13th-Jun-2013, 10:20 AM

Case 2:
After you stabilize with your cannon in your mineral line, he'll be considerably behind in econ, go for a 2base timing.

Case 3:
4gate him after you hold the 6pool, you shouldn't take much damage since you went gateway expo.

SLCN.Kez · Thu, 13th-Jun-2013, 10:35 AM

Case 2: Throw down gateway soon as you can after ONE cannon in mineral line. As soon as you have a zealot out you're safe from the initial 6 pool and you can just throw down a nexus. You should still have a probe out on the map, scout for a natural hatch (or pylon block it), and then you wanna scout if he has gas or not. Since he 6 pooled, the queen will be late and you can get in a see it.

If no gas, you're perfectly safe, if gas, he probs won't have expo, make units, if gas + expo, he's extremely behind on econ, just play safe. As long as you don't outright die to a 6p, any kind of econ follow up is a good thing, then into whatever you want really, but a strong 2 base timing is usually best (ie. immortal stalker sentry)

Theend · Thu, 13th-Jun-2013, 2:55 PM

The best follow up after a failed 6 pool attack is to do another variation of 6 pool

First of all, you need 1.2k mineral for this to work.
Than built 6 pool in a manner like this -> xxx xxx
If all else fail, you can always start a new game.

**mGGNemesis** · Thu, 13th-Jun-2013, 3:02 PM

@cure and kez, thxs for the food for thought. The suggestion seems to lean more towards a 2 base timing push if I'm not mistaken.

Someone suggested a 2 sg voids followup. Any ideas how that followup compares with what has been suggested?

I guess I'm just scared because sometimes they use a lot of lings to attempt to contain or delay your expo. Having the moco helps these days but I still get nervous when I cant get my expo up smoothly.

@Theend... not quite sure what u mean. I think I missed something... how do u counter a 6 pool with a '6 pool' as toss?

Guess I need some dark archons perhaps?

Anyways, glad to hear from u, Theend

TidaL · Thu, 13th-Jun-2013, 6:33 PM

I'm interested in responses also

TCPLemminks · Thu, 13th-Jun-2013, 7:32 PM

2sg voids pretty gas intensive and hits later then most other 2 base, this give the zerg more time to recover from the 6 pool.

Anyone know a good probe loss count that can be deemed "acceptable" (6 pool hits about 16-17 probes if they go straight for you).

syfChase · Fri, 14th-Jun-2013, 2:27 AM

no lemminks noob

nem let me 6 pool you over and over until we discover best way

dis gunna b goood..

Theend · Fri, 14th-Jun-2013, 3:02 AM

Just kidding, lol
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**mGGNemesis** · Fri, 14th-Jun-2013, 6:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCPLemminks

Anyone know a good probe loss count that can be deemed "acceptable" (6 pool hits about 16-17 probes if they go straight for you).

Good question

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCPmGG.Chase

nem let me 6 pool you over and over until we discover best way
dis gunna b goood..

omg! going to have '6 pool' nightmares...

SLCN.Kez · Fri, 14th-Jun-2013, 9:51 AM

2 Stargate is not an optimal opener. When you're ahead on economy in any game, you wan't a big brute force sledgehammer based army which has no "hard counter". The problem with tech based army's is they usually drop in effectiveness if the opponent has the right composition ie. Hydralisks. Secondly, 2 Stargate is bad as a lot of the time after a failed early pool they'll go into a speedling timing to deny your expo, and stargate (especially 2) isn't very good against it, as you won't have ample sentries to defend. 1 Stargate is probably ok however, as roaches CAN be a common follow-up, but even still, you should be able to see it coming and defend it aptly with cannons and sentries. Lastly, I understand it can be uncomfortable to take an expo after you get 6 pooled, but really you just have to throw it down and see what happens. When zerg see's you taking an expo straight after he 6 pooled you, it places a ridiculous amount of pressure on them. So my advice? throw it down after you get moco and zealot out, and then figure it out from there (building walls are your friend)

Pox · Fri, 14th-Jun-2013, 9:53 AM

^ that. If you want to end the game on 2base, do it with a solid ground army.

**mGGNemesis** · Fri, 14th-Jun-2013, 10:07 AM

ok so it's something like moco + 1-2 zealots; try to get expo up; wall asap; forge(?); drop robo after expo (before walling? after wall?)

SLCN.Kez · Fri, 14th-Jun-2013, 10:11 AM

Zealot > stalker > sentry(s) (a lot depends on what you scout). WALL ASAP after you drop nexus, depending on what you want to go for, forge can be a part of your wall but doesn't have to be. Poke out with your zealot stalker to gauge how many drones/expos/gas, whilst keeping sentries at home. Robo after your wall is complete, and after nexus.

**mGGNemesis** · Fri, 14th-Jun-2013, 10:17 AM

I think I got a clearer picture of the followup. Thxs ^_^

SLCNPezz · Fri, 14th-Jun-2013, 3:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLCN.Kez

Case 2: Throw down gateway soon as you can after ONE cannon in mineral line. As soon as you have a zealot out you're safe from the initial 6 pool and you can just throw down a nexus. You should still have a probe out on the map, scout for a natural hatch (or pylon block it), and then you wanna scout if he has gas or not. Since he 6 pooled, the queen will be late and you can get in a see it.

If no gas, you're perfectly safe, if gas, he probs won't have expo, make units, if gas + expo, he's extremely behind on econ, just play safe. As long as you don't outright die to a 6p, any kind of econ follow up is a good thing, then into whatever you want really, but a strong 2 base timing is usually best (ie. immortal stalker sentry)

People usually make 8-10 lings meaning you'll need 2 zealots to push into your natural.

I personally go core zealot zealot forge sentry nexus pylon at nat cannon 2 more gates. Hold position the 2 zealots on the ramp in case of speedling all ins and 1 base baneling etc, with a sentry behind them.

From there Stargate is the safest bet, I wouldn't really recommend 2base play in this scenario as he could be anything, like 2base muta.