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**fray`Alpha** · Fri, 15th-Feb-2013, 8:16 AM

Its an interesting idea i would like to see played out. But could it run the risk of making ghost a counter to both HT through snipe/EMP and colo through lockdown? but yeah its an idea iv seen before and would be interested to see how it would play out.

**|Erasmus|** · Fri, 15th-Feb-2013, 8:29 AM

given how many protoss units are mechanical, and how useless templar and archons are without shields/energy I think it would be ridiculously OP to have one unit that can be massed and then lockdown/emp on everything...

DUCKVILLELOL · Fri, 15th-Feb-2013, 8:40 AM

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Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

given how many protoss units are mechanical, and how useless templar and archons are without shields/energy I think it would be ridiculously OP to have one unit that can be massed and then lockdown/emp on everything...

Why was it never used in competitive BW then? Also as I said, you could probably up the cost a little so that you make a tactical decision whether to either emp or lockdown, I agree that having both would be a little silly.

**|Erasmus|** · Fri, 15th-Feb-2013, 8:43 AM

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Why was it never used in competitive BW then? Also as I said, you could probably up the cost a little so that you make a tactical decision whether to either emp or lockdown, I agree that having both would be a little silly.

you couldn't just mass ghosts cause they didn't have emp and lockdown on the one unit... idk. Thinking more I don't even know if it's worth it to use lockdown over emp. But mass ghost late game gets easier if you can lockdown the one or two colo after you mass emp evreything.

DUCKVILLELOL · Fri, 15th-Feb-2013, 8:47 AM

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you couldn't just mass ghosts cause they didn't have emp and lockdown on the one unit... idk. Thinking more I don't even know if it's worth it to use lockdown over emp. But mass ghost late game gets easier if you can lockdown the one or two colo after you mass emp evreything.

True, though there are some situations: if there are a large amount of voids and you don't have a HUGE amount of vikings to deal with them (voids smash the shit out of vikings unless you hugely outsize them or have a massive upgrade lead). Also if there is an air switch and you are somehow caught by surprise; sometimes locking down a couple of tempest might be the big difference you need. Not to mention locking down tempest in a temp v BC battle might be a better idea (again, this is very numbers dependent imo, and thus again it becomes a tactical decision)

I think if it was to cost 150 energy it might be ok. Lets imagine it in that situation; so you use 1 lockdown and then you can't EMP at all for 20 seconds or so I think? By that time a battle is over anyways.

VB_Rhuubarb · Fri, 15th-Feb-2013, 8:58 AM

Ghosts are already great for mech (EMP). The problem is getting them out in a timely manner though, and being able to keep them alive. The transition to ghosts when meching is one of the weak points that opens up timings against you, but if you get them out, you are in much greater shape.

VB_Rhuubarb · Fri, 15th-Feb-2013, 8:58 AM

Ghosts are already great for mech (EMP). The problem is getting them out in a timely manner though, and being able to keep them alive. The transition to ghosts when meching is one of the weak points that opens up timings against you, but if you get them out, you are in much greater shape.

VB_Boony · Fri, 15th-Feb-2013, 9:11 AM

This might have been a good idea in WoL, but with all the changes to mech in HoTS I don't think it really needs any more buffs.

Delraich · Fri, 15th-Feb-2013, 9:35 AM

How about a lockdown-seeker missile combo?

**inFeZa** · Fri, 15th-Feb-2013, 10:36 AM

give me stasis then.

DUCKVILLELOL · Fri, 15th-Feb-2013, 10:56 AM

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This might have been a good idea in WoL, but with all the changes to mech in HoTS I don't think it really needs any more buffs.

Try voids in PvT mech, they rip apart everything and it's making me cry

DUCKVILLELOL · Fri, 15th-Feb-2013, 10:57 AM

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give me stasis then.

Haha if P had stasis again I'd stick with P, at the moment I'm stuck between P and T - I don't want to fully T because I can only play mech and struggle a bit in TvP, and I suck at PvT when I play P... oh the irony.

**|Erasmus|** · Fri, 15th-Feb-2013, 10:57 AM

i had one guy mass voids, but emp and thor splash means you can beat it... Tempests are worse, as terran.

DUCKVILLELOL · Fri, 15th-Feb-2013, 11:21 AM

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i had one guy mass voids, but emp and thor splash means you can beat it... Tempests are worse, as terran.

Can you send me the rep? I'm just trying to figure out numbers I need while meching to deal with the voids

VB_Rhuubarb · Fri, 15th-Feb-2013, 4:16 PM

THe one game i had where the protoss massed voids and attacked in a decent time, he didn't split them, and lost them all to about 20 mines. I"m kinda scared about players that split there voids, but then again, spliting voids makes it easier to micro vikings against them so it's a trade off. I also haven't been building ghosts much in hots yet. But I've been practicing BW-esque 2 base timings, and unfortunately at my level on hots, the protosses still think it's a good idea to run zealots into hellbats and it causes short games.