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Another · Mon, 15th-Oct-2012, 6:10 PM

i follow cycling a lot, i dont watch the giro d'italia or anything, but i always watch the tour de france (watch full stages if i can, if not i watch the daily 30 minute recaps). I think the doping was big back in the 90s/early 2000's, but for whatever reason, maybe tests become a lot better, it isnt very prominent atm, and they catch those who do.

Anyway, i know its hard to swallow, i still dont want to believe it that lance was doping. But, lets not forget that it was INCREDIBLY wide spread. lance's achievements are still ridiculous. In one of them, they had to go to the 25th placement to get a new, legitimate winner. doped or not, his 7wins are one of the sporting great achievements. the tour is stupidly hard whether you are doped or not, and he spends months and years training.

Although as im saying this i remember reading that the drugs they use affect people differently, so maybe he just got lucky actually, idk

Antel0pe · Mon, 15th-Oct-2012, 6:15 PM

Can anyone provide context on what the tour is?
I wasn't in a generation of Lance Armstrong winning stuff, nor watch cycling at all :/

ETL.ViTaL · Mon, 15th-Oct-2012, 6:35 PM

Just wait to starcraft players will have doping tests ;P

Another · Mon, 15th-Oct-2012, 6:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Antelopes

Can anyone provide context on what the tour is?
I wasn't in a generation of Lance Armstrong winning stuff, nor watch cycling at all :/

tour de france is the main tour of the cycling world.

so a tour has X amount of stages, and a stage is generally a 150-200km race, there are a few stages of time trials, 20-80k.

So the overall winner is the person with the lowest time for all the stages, 21 stages for tour de france, this was lance 7 times in a row. but everyone was doping (performance enhancing drugs) at the time, and since lance was winning everytones going after him, even though almost noone didnt do it

Antel0pe · Mon, 15th-Oct-2012, 8:12 PM

How often is the Tour de France?

**nirvAnA** · Tue, 16th-Oct-2012, 3:45 AM

if doping was as widespread as everyone says, he might have been forced into doping just so he was on a level playing ground. with so much pressure and maybe his country and title's honour to defend its easy to understand. and if everyone was doping, he was still the champion among them. it doesn't take anything away from his achievements

doping/drugs are terrible yes, but considering the circumstances he really had no "choice". that seems to be the competitive cycling world where everyone doped and he was king of it because of the other abilities he had, not drugs. I wonder if this is going to unearth a whole slew of tour de france winners who all doped to win.

aLtShortizz · Tue, 16th-Oct-2012, 8:56 PM

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Originally Posted by nirvAnA

if doping was as widespread as everyone says, he might have been forced into doping just so he was on a level playing ground. with so much pressure and maybe his country and title's honour to defend its easy to understand. and if everyone was doping, he was still the champion among them. it doesn't take anything away from his achievements

doping/drugs are terrible yes, but considering the circumstances he really had no "choice". that seems to be the competitive cycling world where everyone doped and he was king of it because of the other abilities he had, not drugs. I wonder if this is going to unearth a whole slew of tour de france winners who all doped to win.

The thing is, his former teammates claims that he is the ring leader, the one pressuring them to take the drugs. THat being said, the tour de france can be quite a joke. theres so many doping going on in the races they even struggle to find a legitimate winner lol.

IMO if armstrong doped, then hes just another person who cheated and then sold his brand with doped results. His punishment should be as harsh as any other person maybe even more, just stripping his titles IMO isnt enough. Think of the cancer victims that thought him beacon of light and the numerous people, myself included, that bought into his brand/achievement.

PS: Armstrong won 7 titles i believe and in some of those races, he dominated them, finished mountain stretches of a race faster than anyone has ever done. Marion Jones, Ben Johnson style.