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**|Erasmus|** · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 6:47 AM

If you're going to make claims like that about AZKownage, can you post a link to whatever it is that makes you believe he is getting his account ranked... Otherwise this will turn into another incident like with SPR when they were all flaming and defending Meany until there was some better proof of what he did, and that just looks bad for everyone

ToRsupapower · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 8:04 AM

i'm in his team, i rolled his face in before, he doesn't cheat, nobody in the team "boosts" in the ladder

Bendy · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 8:10 AM

Sounds like you threw away some of those games due to anger. Try not to queue up so quickly after losing a match in order to "win back" the points you lost. Better to keep a level head and rather than get angry at your opponent for his annoying tactics (such as the evo chamber/hatch blocking), deal with it in a calm manner.

TL;DR: Don't pull an idrA

EXCL · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 9:11 AM

Your MMR isnt destroyed at all. Read this on MMR from team liquid wiki http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft...le.net_Leagues. Your value of sigma (MMR uncertainty) will be higher due to losing streak but you will now most likely be placed against more inactive players/lower rank or MMR. So for every down there is an up (if your skill is still the same). Just think of it as a bad day

tomorrow will be better!

ProAnnn · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 10:15 AM

Stop raging and start playing. When you rage, you cant play. I agree that playing random is very ridiculous since they always cheese. But as a zerg, its pretty easy ot scout whatever cheese they are doing and u are not especially weak to 6 pool unlike protoss. I absolutely hate 6 pool on big maps as protoss. Another thing is in ZvT, its not necessary to hatch first even though its recommended. Dont need to go to the extent to leave when you fail to plant down your hatch. Scouting in ZvP is very important but if your overlord fail to see anything, just poke with ur lings and infer what build they are going. For example, no/little sentries means 4 gate or any sorts of cheese so spine up. Having a high amount of stalkers proly means blink stalker 3/4 gate means u need get +1 lings ASAP. Depending on your preference on lings/ roaches. You can defend all sorts of cheese in ZvP.

Hope this helps! Raging is definitely part of ladder. Cool down, play some customs, play some 2v2s. Go in with an attitude of "If he cheese me, i'm gonna scout him and screw that noob cheeser". If i lose, i can only blame my own scouting.

Hope you rise in ladder!

Meatex · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 11:44 AM

Well i heard he was being laddered from one of the owners of the company
Otherwise I would just call him a 1 base wonder smurf
Anyway he has been reported and if what I heard was correct and blizzard actually pay attention to SEA he will be banned. If what I heard was wrong then he won't get banned and he has nothing to worry about. Regardless his match history is suspect but like I said - if i'm wrong then my bad and he can ignore me and think i'm a nobend.

Also as it was the first game of the night in 1v1 and I had had wins the day before my mmr was screwed over. Yes I threw away some games cause when I have bs like that I want to get it out of my mind but then he kept messaging me during the game so I had to leave so I could block him. Other games is just zerg cannot afford any sort of mistake early on even minor ones.

Thanks for the advice ProAnnn

Though I think i'm not as lucky as you. I sac an overlord and scout a 4 gate so I desperately try to prepare, don't get supply blocked, spines, scout everywhere for proxy, make as many units. And he just expands and there is nothing I can do because if I don't make a lot of units and spines his 4 gate kills me. But in doing so i'm boned in economy. I had no choice but to attack - I had as good timing as I could but made the mistake of not commiting to an all in so he just managed to defend that push and I then had to desperately prepare for the counter TT
Not to mention that if overlord sees nothing even with poking your ling you're still guessing TT and then zerg - the race that has next to zero early game aggressive potential, is basically an open book - also has the weakest defense TT
Times like this I feel like I chose the wrong race but its too late now~

ke_ivan · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 1:27 PM

Yeah dude, don't tilt. When you start losing, push through it, because it usually means your going to improve greatly very soon.

ProAnnn · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 2:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meatex

Well i heard he was being laddered from one of the owners of the company
Otherwise I would just call him a 1 base wonder smurf
Anyway he has been reported and if what I heard was correct and blizzard actually pay attention to SEA he will be banned. If what I heard was wrong then he won't get banned and he has nothing to worry about. Regardless his match history is suspect but like I said - if i'm wrong then my bad and he can ignore me and think i'm a nobend.

Also as it was the first game of the night in 1v1 and I had had wins the day before my mmr was screwed over. Yes I threw away some games cause when I have bs like that I want to get it out of my mind but then he kept messaging me during the game so I had to leave so I could block him. Other games is just zerg cannot afford any sort of mistake early on even minor ones.

Thanks for the advice ProAnnn

Though I think i'm not as lucky as you. I sac an overlord and scout a 4 gate so I desperately try to prepare, don't get supply blocked, spines, scout everywhere for proxy, make as many units. And he just expands and there is nothing I can do because if I don't make a lot of units and spines his 4 gate kills me. But in doing so i'm boned in economy. I had no choice but to attack - I had as good timing as I could but made the mistake of not commiting to an all in so he just managed to defend that push and I then had to desperately prepare for the counter TT
Not to mention that if overlord sees nothing even with poking your ling you're still guessing TT and then zerg - the race that has next to zero early game aggressive potential, is basically an open book - also has the weakest defense TT
Times like this I feel like I chose the wrong race but its too late now~

You may be right when u say they have next to zero early game aggressive potential before protoss goes into 2 base but zerg is the STRONGEST defensive race off 2 base. Spines are cheap and efficient. A way i would encourage you to go about to is just make like 4-6 lings to scout and throw ALL your larva into drone. Until u suspect/ scout a 4 gate coming. You should have proly at least 10 more drones than him and u can just throw down 5 spines and produce lings/roaches. If he expand, dont go all-in but resume droning since you are 'safe' for quite sometime with ur spines. Remember to make PURE drones or PURE units and dont go half half. It will work out eventually.

Stick to zerg if u feel joy playing it. Sometimes when you feel irritated losing as zerg, try playing terran/ protoss for 1 day to have some fun and relaxing moments. Zerg is a very reactive race and get punished for not scouting. Good luck and hope you have fun. Rage less

Duck · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 4:38 PM

Unless you're playing in Grandmaster, you can afford 'minor mistakes'.

Not that a slightly delayed Hatchery is a mistake. For example, chances are that while madly micro-ing to block your expansion, your opponent's macro will be slipping. The only mistake you make is raging and leaving the game.

The TGM is full of good advice but some of the best is that SC2 is just a video-game, and it should be enjoyed like any other past-time. I occasionally rage, but since reading this advice a few days ago I try to 'gg', even when I get cheesed - it doesn't improve my MMR, but I think it is the correct attitude to take to SC2.

Xeen · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 6:30 PM

So you, a player of irrelevant level, got a chance to play against a GM and keep the replay, and you're complaining? Jesus, in BW people were glad to get rolled by smurfing progamers, because it was an experience. You didn't complain, because your record at that level is something nobody else cares about anyway.

(I don't condone his actions, but the MMR complaint is silly)

Meatex · Fri, 15th-Jul-2011, 7:09 PM

Like i said before i'm basically a little OCD when i'm playing at night.
Want to get some good/interesting games in
I can't really learn anything from losing a 4 gate cheese because its all a matter of extremely slight delays that stack up - 1 second late on an inject or 2, not really capable of pulling weak units back effectively. And when its the first 1v1 of the night and it destroys my MMR I feel like i HAVE to fix it. Its the exact same for me when anything doesn't work or go to plan when its out of my control.
I wish it were so easy to just get over it but if it were so easy to get over personality flaws then we would live in a perfect society where everyone got along and nobody trolled
what ever.

And I get plenty of chances to play against GM players who actually give me criticisms and advice instead of u mad bro

Volition · Sat, 16th-Jul-2011, 4:49 AM

At the beginning of every game, i say the exact same thing to myself: "now how is this ****** going to cheese me?" sometimes you get it right, sometimes you get it wrong. But i find the guessing and responding tends to remove yourself as a player from the equation - it isnt YOUR loss, it was just your bad choices within the game. That and i have read altPiG's post in this thread a fair few times:-

http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=1714 (not saying you are complaining at all, but that being the defensive player makes you feel shitty when you lose. happens to us all)

The other day, i had a 36 minute ZvT with a gold terran. After I lost a close game, I wasn't overly happy and was chatting to the guiy (read: not BM'ing, just chatting). Turns out he was a masters zerg player and this was his smurf account. But it didnt really matter, because i had held my own for 32 of those 36 minutes. But i am no better, the other day against toss in close positions, a guy was trying to 3g stargate rush me, i scout it coming with my ovie, with what i thought was a really good scout timing. So i did the usual prep, grabbed a 3rd queen, dropped 2 spores in what i thought would be good spots. To then have the toss drop his 4th gate and just annihilate my ground army and win. Frustrating, because i was the defensive player, took my chance and still lost it. I feel that responding as zerg takes much more resources than it does to do the threat. But then, i love playing as zerg, and wouldnt swap to another race for anything.

But whatever you want - if you want someone to check out a replay or whatever give me a yell. Volition 893. gl gl

Satu · Sat, 16th-Jul-2011, 9:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meatex

I can't really learn anything from losing a 4 gate cheese because its all a matter of extremely slight delays that stack up - 1 second late on an inject or 2, not really capable of pulling weak units back effectively

You can always learn something from being 4gated. In a recent GPD where I got eliminated by being 4gated, I realised I was being too greedy, and fixed it up. Its generally good to have a REALLY solid 4gate defence, because people use it so much on ladder.

jason · Sat, 16th-Jul-2011, 4:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duck

Unless you're playing in Grandmaster, you can afford 'minor mistakes'.

Not that a slightly delayed Hatchery is a mistake. For example, chances are that while madly micro-ing to block your expansion, your opponent's macro will be slipping. The only mistake you make is raging and leaving the game.

The TGM is full of good advice but some of the best is that SC2 is just a video-game, and it should be enjoyed like any other past-time. I occasionally rage, but since reading this advice a few days ago I try to 'gg', even when I get cheesed - it doesn't improve my MMR, but I think it is the correct attitude to take to SC2.

Keep that attitude up!

Many people don't GG in SEA, even after a normal game. sigh.

I GG no matter what, just think of whitera

jason · Sat, 16th-Jul-2011, 4:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meatex

Like i said before i'm basically a little OCD when i'm playing at night.
Want to get some good/interesting games in
I can't really learn anything from losing a 4 gate cheese because its all a matter of extremely slight delays that stack up - 1 second late on an inject or 2, not really capable of pulling weak units back effectively. And when its the first 1v1 of the night and it destroys my MMR I feel like i HAVE to fix it. Its the exact same for me when anything doesn't work or go to plan when its out of my control.
I wish it were so easy to just get over it but if it were so easy to get over personality flaws then we would live in a perfect society where everyone got along and nobody trolled
what ever.

And I get plenty of chances to play against GM players who actually give me criticisms and advice instead of u mad bro

lol...nice