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New Tue, 25th-Sep-2012 12:17 PM
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"There is no point in being angry at yourself for mistakes unless you combine it with a resolve to do better next time."

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I've done many regretful and damaging things to the scene in the past months (specifically after the inauguration of sR), and this will serve as an apology to all that were affected and to those that I betrayed. It will also serve as a constant reminder that I made a lot of mistakes in the past few months and that I will try my best to do better, but here we go


When sR started up, it was intentionally going to be a "troll" clan, where only a select few of my friends and I would play in clan wars and play around together. Initially, I never thought of growing it into a community clan and after we were successful in our first couple clan wars, I felt like I could do something better with the clan and really make sR one of the top clans. But to do that and to make people pay attention sR had to had to be recognized for more feats. ToR was recognized as the best clan outside of aLt and TA at the time and we wanted to win our clan war vs them as much as possible. in doing so, when we opened up with a strong lead, DaNo demolished our players until we had 1 player left. It was a call that made me delve deeper into the world where I made mistakes, and we called upon FrontierSPR to play ace, which he eventually lost due to being called to play for SPR in their other cw and he thereby threw the game.

When people start to do wrong things, they don't really realize the severity of their actions and I at the time, admittedly didn't feel I did much wrong sending Frontier, especially since he lost. However, after SanG did research work and found out about our usage of one of SPR's players, he approached me and that was when I realized I was stepping into uncharted territory. I understood that I did something wrong, but to prove that we would not commit wrong again we had to make a difference through our actions instead of our words. So there goes on a few months, I try my best to create a more positive image of sR, the activity within the clan is resumed and a lot more new talent is being recruited. I'm really happy with the success I was able to create but it wasn't enough.

As many people already know, I was very close to announcing vN recently, and around a month before this, Antelope approached me with the offer to join sR, but we had no BSG division. To be honest, almost about to abandon my duties as the sR leader to turn into a full-time manager/player for vN I really let go of trying to rebuild sR's reputation and my mistakes were resumed, once again. After watching a sour defeat of the sR.BSG division to ToR's Suipr (All-kill) I felt that our BSG division was not being represented well. I saw posts like "sR isn't ready to take wins off other well established BSG rosters" and I was propelled into wanting to restore faith in some people by helping sR win their next CW. So I did it. I played for the BSG division, playing T and I won the CW vs FS for them. I felt bitter about what I did and promised to never play again.

Fast forward 2 weeks, sR had a clan war with TCP. We were, once again, extremely close to defeat and in that period Antelope found Psych to play for him. Psych, being in TCP before really wanted it and one again I felt, hey it doesn't really matter. I believed that until last night, when the SC2SEA Admin team (with their exceptional talents) caught me and Psych out. To be honest, I was waiting for it to happen but I had concealed myself with so many lies beforehand to try and make myself feel better of what I did that when Lemminks finally PMed me with their conclusive evidence I completely blanked out for a moment. I took a few moment to think and acknowledged my wrongdoings to him.

I know after this "coming out", I will never again be respected by the community and have severely damaged the reputation of sR and possibly vN in the making. However, I, along with Antelope and Psych would like to apologize to the community and I really want to make sure I really repent my mistakes with actions, myself this time. I hope that all of sR's players from across all divisions continue to strive for better results and try to forget the things I have done, good and bad and look forward to a better future with Dream. I hope my mistakes do not create a poor image on the players on sR, who really deserve much more respect than I ever will in this community. Each and every one of them deserve a second chance more than I. I was given one and I let go of it as soon as I asked for it, and I will try my best to correct my mistakes.

All in all, I will leave sR and leave Dream (Hoa Truong) aka marinehero from BW and I am ready to take any punishment set before me by the team, readily. I want to distance myself from vN as well, and leave it to the capable hands of Firefly (Peter Barber), who has attended multiple LANS in melbourne with his buddy RuineD. I want to thank each and every one of you who have helped build sR to this and helped the initiating of vN and apologize to all the people that I have hurt throughout this process, specifically all members of SC2SEA but the players affected by the wrongdoings of my actions and the unnecessary fights between "x clan member" and "y clan member". I want this to stop and I hope that people allow me to take the full blame for my and other's actions and I hope you guys will give me another chance in the future (near or not).

For now, hopefully, I will be able to continue adminning wT weekly and coaching players, trying to improve myself as much as I can and continue to help the scene in any way I can. I hope that everyone sees my mistakes and never ever thinks of doing anything as stupid as I have done. I notice that I am still 14 but I also know that this doesn't explain or reduce the severity of my actions.

TLDR;
+ [Timeline] +
  • Helped start up sR but realized we could so something big with it. In first clan war with major clan ToR, decided to call upon Korean player from SPR, Frontier. Start of my wrongdoings
  • Apologized to people, asked for a second chance
  • Started going on track, about to start up vN but wanted to help regain face for bSG division after upsetting first cw all kill, started mistakes again



Thank you and GLHF, a thousand apologies again.
GRiM

Special sorries to: Lemminks (TCP), Spartaz (ToR), sPooK (ToR), Chadmann (fray, TA) and nirvana. They were the ones that gave me a second chance and I let go of it. I am very sorry to the rest of SC2SEA as well.
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New Tue, 25th-Sep-2012, 7:06 PM BnetId: iridium.427  Race: Clan: sR  Location: Sydney, Australia  Total Posts: 15  # 31
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Re: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

Has anyone thought about how this effects IRIDIUM? Guys I'm a part of the BSG roster, and as a consequence my reputation has taken a severe hit. I doubt I'll be able to recover from this shit.

Idra: "Hey Huk my man, did you hear about that BSG guy in that SEA clan called "iridium"? They were caught cheating in a clan war. You believe this shit?"
Huk: "No I don't friend. Iridium has a lot to answer for, and I believe he should pay in his own blood."
*recreation of a fictional conversation

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New Tue, 25th-Sep-2012, 8:35 PM BnetId: arteezy  Race: Location: Singapore  Total Posts: 622  # 32
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sR.BSG has disbanded, and all of the players are now free agents.
I'd ask for a favor that none of my actions during their time at sR would affect them in their future. Please don't hold their former team's reputation against them, the smurfing had nothing to do with them, and they were as surprised about the smurfing as the people reading this.
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New Tue, 25th-Sep-2012, 8:56 PM BnetId: mGGNemesis. 653  Race: Clan: mGG  Location: Singapore  Total Posts: 1,822  # 33
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Re: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

This thread making me sad.
I've seen some good team spirit in some of the sR members and hope the members will recover from the setback and be stronger than before.
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New Tue, 25th-Sep-2012, 8:56 PM BnetId: Daedalus.523  Race: Clan: mGG  Location: Brisbane, Australia  Total Posts: 468  # 34
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Re: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

@iridium While one person's actions can affect the perception of the team as a whole, this community is generally pretty good at identifying when a problem is coming from a specific person and not tarnishing the whole group. I've always had kind of a bad vibe about sR as an overall clan but at the same time there's a lot of sR guys that are really cool. As to grim, eh it's cool to apologise, but being caught first it doesn't mean much. It will come down to what he does over the next couple of months whether he's truly remorseful, but I think he's a young kid so hey maybe just needs to mature a bit, people have come back from worse.

I agree he should step down as leader of the clan for now but I would think it best that he still stay involved in the clan so they don't just disappear. Mistakes or no he still built up a clan and community and there's not really that many of them in the SEA scene, would be a shame to see it die completely.
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New Tue, 25th-Sep-2012, 9:02 PM BnetId: sRGRiM.784  Race: Clan: N/A  Location: Hong Kong  Total Posts: 860  # 35
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I'm completely out of sR, I have left all affiliation with them and left management to DreaM. It's fine. I will stay clanless for a while and I hope people do not continue to have a bad vibe around sR especially after I am gone. Thanks
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New Tue, 25th-Sep-2012, 9:12 PM   Race: Clan: TA  Location: Sydney  Total Posts: 819  # 36
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This is the stupidest shit I have ever read.

WHY WOULD YOU CHEAT IN A FRIENDLY LOW LEVEL CLAN WAR
ARE YOU ******* KIDDING ME?

Jesus christ, if you dont have enough players, reschedule. DONT RUIN YOUR REPUTATION OVER SOMETHING THAT MEANS NOTHING.
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New Tue, 25th-Sep-2012, 9:24 PM BnetId: TAXanT.665  Race: Clan: TA  Location: Melbourne  Total Posts: 230  # 37
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This is the stupidest shit I have ever read.

WHY WOULD YOU CHEAT IN A FRIENDLY LOW LEVEL CLAN WAR
ARE YOU ******* KIDDING ME?

Jesus christ, if you dont have enough players, reschedule. DONT RUIN YOUR REPUTATION OVER SOMETHING THAT MEANS NOTHING.
this.
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New Tue, 25th-Sep-2012, 10:00 PM BnetId: arteezy  Race: Location: Singapore  Total Posts: 622  # 38
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This is the stupidest shit I have ever read.

WHY WOULD YOU CHEAT IN A FRIENDLY LOW LEVEL CLAN WAR
ARE YOU ******* KIDDING ME?

Jesus christ, if you dont have enough players, reschedule. DONT RUIN YOUR REPUTATION OVER SOMETHING THAT MEANS NOTHING.
What's done is done, not need to kick a man when he's down. I know what we did were stupid, that's why we're apologizing for what we've done, and leaving sR. And honestly if you dedicated like 30+ hours in trying to make the team work, winning clan wars are mean a lot, specially at our "low" level. Unlike the high league players, we don't have as much competition, so winning these clan wars (which mean "nothing") are actually the only things we can achieve.
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New Tue, 25th-Sep-2012, 10:04 PM BnetId: ToRZooS.340  Race: Clan: ToR  Location: Sydney, Australia  Total Posts: 32  # 39
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Re: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

As a relative newcomer to the SEA / SC2 scene, I look on with some impartiality to this saga and whilst GRiM and Antelope clearly have crossed a line with respects to appropriate clan conduct, I trust the community is as ultimately forgiving as its' benign and collegiate ethos and purpose generally comes across as in all forums.

Secondly as the first, and now it seems probably the only ever winner of the sR BSG weekly...with Antelope's help I selected GRiM as my 1 hr coach of choice and was pretty delighted with that prize. Throughout this drama today, I have been in PMs with GRiM and he has stuck to his agreed commitments and we've penciled in some time, which I'm really looking forward to. I do hope this act and commitment to a prior agreement at his own time/cost, goes some way towards his ultimate redemption here.

Plus, at almost 2.5 times his age...I'll try and sneak in a reverse lesson or two about maturity and integrity during the training!
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New Tue, 25th-Sep-2012, 10:38 PM   Total Posts: 828  # 40
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Inevitable when one starts a clan with the intent of "trolling"
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New Tue, 25th-Sep-2012, 10:40 PM BnetId: lllllllll.948  Race: Clan: 보  Location: Straya  Total Posts: 162  # 41
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sR.BSG has disbanded, and all of the players are now free agents.
I'd ask for a favor that none of my actions during their time at sR would affect them in their future. Please don't hold their former team's reputation against them, the smurfing had nothing to do with them, and they were as surprised about the smurfing as the people reading this.
Not disbanding
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New Tue, 25th-Sep-2012, 10:49 PM BnetId: TAXanT.665  Race: Clan: TA  Location: Melbourne  Total Posts: 230  # 42
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winning clan wars are mean a lot, specially at our "low" level. Unlike the high league players, we don't have as much competition, so winning these clan wars (which mean "nothing") are actually the only things we can achieve.
Minus the rest of Rogue's post I do agree on that part. But surely that 30+ hours a week you dedicate into a clan war goes to waste when you end up smurfing to get the 'unfair' result that only you are happy with.

Think of the people on the other side of the table that are only trying to improve their game to find they are playing people with skills that are leagues ahead of theirs.

But like you said what's done is done - so with that I say good luck to all involved parties in the future!
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New Tue, 25th-Sep-2012, 11:09 PM   Race: Total Posts: 964  # 43
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Nice try to save your clan on your way out, that does show character.

But yeah nah, sR is dead or forever tainted from this point, nothing you can do about it.

That's what happens when you have incompetence in leadership positions.
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New Tue, 25th-Sep-2012, 11:13 PM   Race: Total Posts: 964  # 44
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Quote:
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sR.BSG has disbanded, and all of the players are now free agents.
I'd ask for a favor that none of my actions during their time at sR would affect them in their future. Please don't hold their former team's reputation against them, the smurfing had nothing to do with them, and they were as surprised about the smurfing as the people reading this.
Nice sentiment, however very unlucky for them, that they associated themselves with people who don't understand their own responsibilities and the consequences of their actions.
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New Tue, 25th-Sep-2012, 11:22 PM BnetId: sRLiveR.539  Race: Clan: sR  Location: Jakarta, Indonesia  Total Posts: 219  # 45
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I don't actually know what to say.

GRiM, you've actually been an amazing leader and I felt that you were actually starting to get mature. What you did was very wrong but after a while I do wish that you at least chat with us (sR) once in a while - flame me for my lack of build order etc. - I can't speak for the other members but I hope you can learn from this. You were one of the 5 or so people who were in the clan before I joined (with my schizophrenic capitals MAAeThErOs) and you leaving makes our chat feel empty.
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