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I was standing with Benji when iaguz came off casting and Benji mentioned that he could throw the series to ensure poker got through, and iaguz correctly pointed out that it if he won that series he could still advance, seeing as he would beat deth on map score (and assuming poker then beat delete, i guess.). All I saw was Benji accept that he couldn't ask iaguz to throw it while he still had a chance and move on.

Would up rep this if it wasn't a blog.

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You can't really stop is as its easy to be like "herp derp I cant believe i put my army on move command", so the best way is probably to have team mates play each other first wherever possible.

Maybe for future events we don't publish results until the group play is completed? It's not a fix but it'd be damn annoying asking everyone where they're at in score.
Also group play shouldn't start until the open bracket is completed. Time is a serious issue here, and maybe ACL needs for SC2 to start earlier than the rest of the event, i'm sure some things will be sorted for melb, it is ACL's second sc2 event ever, give it some time and we'll have an MLG

As a fan watching I feel this kind of shit sucks. I don't watch a stream for over twelve hours staying awake til 4am to see anything other than the best games played.

As a fan I would be hugely disappointed to see games thrown regardless of whether the players were to advance or not. If you aren't going to play good games, then don't waste peoples time by entering. It is spitting in the faces of everyone who is supporting you and has spent hours watching the competition.

^This x 100

Throwing games shows how poor a [E]sportsman you are. U wanna commercialise it and stuff yet u think its okay to purposely lose a game and then go talk abt it like its the right thing to do.

If u wanna do it, at least be humble about it.

This is what I've been trying to find the words to say for the last hour or so. Thanks Rogue.

I think I already said this in the primary ACL thread, but we're gonna force team mates to play eachother as a priority from now on. In this case it was a bit difficult because the open bracket was sooooooooooo freakin' delayed, but in future we'll be enforcing it.

Also for the record, when I asked Yoon what group he wanted, he said, "I'd feel more comfortable in Group A, but I don't want to potentially ruin deth's chances of getting through the group, so I'll just take group C and try my best against Pinder." I was really happy to hear him say this!

It's an avoidable situation and when it comes down to it, if I had a absolutely zero chance of advancing left whereas a teammate still did I would throw the game without a second thought (in an entertaining way ala sensei). Dox's solution solves it (in terms of team/clanmates play each other first), so there's really nothing to discuss here.

Even if you did make a rule against match throwing, you could never ever prove it, as kez said, "I just played bad" and you cant prove anything.

Edit: regarding the initial op, props to iaguz for putting an end to the rumours etc. When i first heard the rumours they were more along the lines of "Benji told iaguz he has to throw, regardless of iaguz still having a chance!" or w/e. What he did do is far more reasonable

Benji doesn't get the benefit of the doubt much. Leave him alone you poopoos.

I agree with posters on multiple levels here:
1) Throwing matches is bad sportsmanship, bad for viewers, however,
2) I would throw my games without a second thought if I had no chance to get through and a teammate did - There is no way I would put sportsmanship over friendship and comradery.
3) But if I do, myself and anyone involved should keep it very tight-lid/implicit between players/managers, the players aren't the only ones involved in a tournament.

As a team player I see why you would do it, but as a tournament organiser I don't like it at all and wouldn't be comfortable letting it happen. At the end of the day it is an individual event and I feel it should be penalised as it can unfairly alter results and determine who gets through. Also I don't see it as a dick move - if you are mad at a teammate for playing to win then there's something wrong with your attitude towards teammates anyway.

I agree 100%. Sure it will happen, but it's sad that it will. If my teammate beats me to stop me getting through a tournament then I didn't deserve to win anyway. You can criticize this viewpoint as naive and unpragmatic, but so are the ideals of sportsmanship, which I tend to stand by.

Pinder you say you will throw a match if YOU have no chance of advancing. But you realise you're intentionally skewing results in order to potentially cheat the better player out of his spot. It's not about you not recieving your win, it's about the guy that misses out being cheated by your friendship and comraderie. It goes against everything I like to see in any sport.

I agree however that it can't be proven/punished but I think you need to check your attitude if you think that ruining another competitors chances unfairly for your FRIENDSHIP/COMRADERIE is ok.

In my opinion that's absolute poo

I agree with what PiG and Rogue have said.

The benji rumor i initially heard was shocking and made me wonder about benji (thankfully it turned out not to be true) but more worrying was the blatant throwing of games that actually DID happen on stream and during the national lan event no less. I don't see how people can be defending this lol. Perhaps because luckily it turned out not to affect the results? I mean what if it meant by their throwing of the match, it resulted in you or your friend / team mate not qualifying? Like if it happened in the very tightly contested Group D either Light / glade / tgun got knocked out solely because someone threw their game to their team mate. Would that still be fair for that knocked out player to lose his otherwise rightfully earned spot because someone in his group happened to be mates / on the same team with someone else? What if deth did indeed manage to get the #2 spot in the group, but benji tells iaguz (or he decides on his own) to throw his games vs pokerface, and that results in pokerface getting in and taking deth's spot because of that? Is that ok? I would say deth would have been robbed of his earned spot.

Stuff like this should not be something taken so lightly. It reminds me of the SlayerS_Coca/Byun incident. Coca was already Code S, and they were fighting for a "code A" spot in a small "korean weekly" tournament. So the result was meaningless to Coca as he didn't need the win but he wanted to help his ex-teammate Byun get into code A so he threw the games (quite stupidly in full public view) and there was massive outcry which forced coca to forfeit his code S spot and leave the SlayerS team house. Korea is serious business yo! I think there was another iem group stage incident but i can't recall the details for that.

Its good dox is going to take steps to prevent incidents like this from occurring in the future and it would be nice if theres an official statement about what will be done next time to prevent anything like this from happening again. Throwing games in any legitimate competition should not be taken this lightly and i feel tournament admins need to set a clear message, kinda like what happened with the seasl wrong map hosted incident.

In the sense that this was a rare incident too as this was probably the first time in SEA competitions this scenario has come up so it was hard to make provisions for it, but after it did, clear rules were set up to ensure the best response used should it somehow happen again. As iaguz mentioned, it was not possible for him/pokerface to play much later as pokerface qualified from the open bracket and they had to be one of the two last guys to play so it could still happen again at the next nationals @ melbourne when team mates have 1-2 remaining group stage games to play if their team mates qualify from the open bracket. This time it came down to luck that the thrown matches turned out to have no effect on the overall result but the same cant be said for next time so this is something that should be considered carefully.

You would never know if the other guy was the better player and if my teammate could've beaten me or not. You could also never know if I did throw the match, Chances are if you're alrdy knocked out, your perceived level of play in the tournament is low already, no ones going to care if you play another 2 games where you play bad.

I'm not saying it isn't a bit dodgy and ideally should not be done, I'm saying that anyone who's good friends with anyone else wants to see them do well as opposed to the random guy they don't know and have no affiliation with, which will cause this to happen.

Whilst it's great to have a public image saying "I would personally never do and I'm very very against this!", I think your completely bullshitting not only everyone here but yourself if you're saying that certain, albeit extreme situations, wouldn't cause you to throw matches.