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New Sat, 4th-Jul-2015 4:48 PM
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Nama dc'd during game 3 of their series and then:

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[4:37:47 PM] x5Namakaye: i come back and he refuses to resume from replay
[4:38:02 PM] x5Namakaye: admin comes in and we show him the replay stuff and all that
[4:38:09 PM] x5Namakaye: admin sides with me on the time of dc
[4:38:19 PM] x5Namakaye: azz keeps pressuring the admin to give him the win
[4:38:24 PM] x5Namakaye: my pc crashes
[4:38:28 PM] x5Namakaye: suddenly 2-1 azz
[4:39:16 PM] x5Namakaye: all this basically started from when i said Azz wasnt here earlier


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Today 4:05 PM: x5_Namakaye: (Edit · Delete) azz wants the def win
Today 4:06 PM: x5_Namakaye: (Edit · Delete) ok admin says recover
Today 4:09 PM: x5_Namakaye: (Edit · Delete) ok now he doesnt accept the recover cause the default pulled it back like literally 1 second
Today 4:21 PM: x5_Namakaye: (Edit · Delete) hes saying the few seconds make a difference
Today 4:21 PM: x5_Namakaye: (Edit · Delete) despite the DC occuring after running and the resume occuring during running
Today 4:21 PM: x5_Namakaye: (Edit · Delete) and i dont get a chance to micro so all my units die cause of dc
Today 4:22 PM: x5_Namakaye: (Edit · Delete) so i dont understand why hes wasting all this time then
Today 4:25 PM: x5_Namakaye: (Edit · Delete) lol azz disconnecting from the replay



Why did Azz not just resume from replay straight away? the game was apparently 5 mins from its conclusion anyway. 20mins of Azz delaying the game from being played. THEN Nama DC's again. The game could have fairly been played in this time.

Azz and Nama, I would like for you to give your recap of the situation.

ACL/Blizzard, I would like you to learn from this situation and adjust your rules so a fair outcome can be reached, such as
Players do not review the replay - admin does
Games are resumed from a fair point (before engagements, while disconnecting player was still in control of his units etc).

Thanks.
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New Sat, 4th-Jul-2015, 4:49 PM BnetId: asdasdff  Race: Clan: $$$$$$$$  Location: Canberra, Australia  Total Posts: 1,466  # 1
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Re: The Death of Sportsmanship

Maybe before witch hunting azz, we hear his side of the story. I'm all for azz hate, but not when it's uncalled for.
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New Sat, 4th-Jul-2015, 4:51 PM BnetId: Fullmetal,107  Race: Total Posts: 384  # 2
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Re: The Death of Sportsmanship

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Maybe before witch hunting azz, we hear his side of the story. I'm all for azz hate, but not when it's uncalled for.
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New Sat, 4th-Jul-2015, 4:51 PM BnetId: TAChadMann.277  Race: Clan: TA/sR  Location: Byron Bay  Total Posts: 2,806  # 3
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Re: The Death of Sportsmanship

Just FYI with this, I don't think the result should change and I understand that if Nama was afk too long the 2nd time, he should very well have been walked over.I just want to make this an issue so ACL adds into their rules that if disconnection they wait 10-15 mins for reconnection and then resume from replay at a fair point in the game (before engagements if DC during engagement etc) or at the point the disconnecting player dropped APM and started to lag out. Azz shouldn't have been able to delay the resume from replay by so long either.

There was about 30 mins or so of Azz arguing with Admins about when the replay should have been resumed, apparently the game was resumed and Azz wasn't happy with the point at which the game resumed so he left the game (can constitute a loss imo). idc about Azz, it was a bit of a dog act.. but the real reason I wanted to write this blog is to get ACL to adjust their rules and be fair. No offence to ACL or any of the admins, there was no precedence. But there is now, learn from it.
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New Sat, 4th-Jul-2015, 4:52 PM BnetId: ggazz.565  Total Posts: 237  # 4
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Re: The Death of Sportsmanship

Please accept from the admins decision to award me the win because Namakaye was offline for too long. Azure had to wait 2 hours+ for his next match.

EDIT: Removed content to keep the conversation neutral.
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New Sat, 4th-Jul-2015, 4:52 PM   Race: Location: Singapore  Total Posts: 1,210  # 5
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Re: The Death of Sportsmanship

One question at ChadMann: Have you watched the replay?
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New Sat, 4th-Jul-2015, 4:53 PM BnetId: Ice.589  Race: Clan: sR  Location: Adelaide, Australia  Total Posts: 619  # 6
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Re: The Death of Sportsmanship

In the rules it states.. A win, a resume from replay or a restart completely azz apparently wanted a complete restart
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Re: The Death of Sportsmanship

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You are being really disrespectful ChadMann. Please accept from the admins decision to award me the win because Namakaye was offline for too long. Azure had to wait 2 hours+ for his next match.

Please show some decency.
To be fair though it was bad sportsmanship. If you disagree you need to justify yourself.
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New Sat, 4th-Jul-2015, 4:58 PM BnetId: TAChadMann.277  Race: Clan: TA/sR  Location: Byron Bay  Total Posts: 2,806  # 8
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You are being really disrespectful ChadMann. Please accept from the admins decision to award me the win because Namakaye was offline for too long. Azure had to wait 2 hours+ for his next match.

Please show some decency.
[4:37:47 PM] x5Namakaye: i come back and he refuses to resume from replay
[4:38:02 PM] x5Namakaye: admin comes in and we show him the replay stuff and all that
[4:38:09 PM] x5Namakaye: admin sides with me on the time of dc
[4:38:19 PM] x5Namakaye: azz keeps pressuring the admin to give him the win

Its fine to take the win after the 2nd DC.. but all that lead up is very, very poor form. Azure had to wait half of that time because you refused to resume from replay at a fair point.
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Re: The Death of Sportsmanship

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[4:37:47 PM] x5Namakaye: i come back and he refuses to resume from replay
[4:38:02 PM] x5Namakaye: admin comes in and we show him the replay stuff and all that
[4:38:09 PM] x5Namakaye: admin sides with me on the time of dc
[4:38:19 PM] x5Namakaye: azz keeps pressuring the admin to give him the win

Its fine to take the win after the 2nd DC.. but all that lead up is very, very poor form. Azure had to wait half of that time because you refused to resume from replay at a fair point.
If you want to discuss the issue with me then you can initiate a topic or conversation asking whether I am able to share my story.

EDIT: Removed content to keep the conversation neutral.

Will mention that the poor form mentioned was removed by Chadmann which was appreciated.
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If you want to discuss the issue with me then you can initiate a topic or conversation asking whether I am able to share my story.

You need to apologize for making this thread.

As a moderator you should show more restraint.

Please be more neutral in the future about discussions and decisions you were not apart of.
You still haven't explained why you made the decisions you did. Stop dodging and answer the questions.
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Sent report for inappropriate content in this thread.
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New Sat, 4th-Jul-2015, 5:16 PM BnetId: JunO.473  Race: Location: Sydney, Australia  Total Posts: 67  # 12
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9.12 If any player is disconnected from a game, they are required to wait for a tournament administrator to verify the situation and make one of the following decisions depending on the nature of the disconnect:

Restart of the game from the beginning.

Use "Recover Game" to start from an administrator designated point in time.
Declare a winner or a forfeit.

In case of the situation where both players are unable to win the game, tournament organizer will declare a draw and the game will be replayed.

9.13 Per competition day, each player will be given a 10 minute exception for Battle.net disconnections. Players with multiple disconnections may be given a forfeit at the organizer’s discretion.

http://wcs2015.aclpro.com.au/rules/

http://media.blizzard.com/wcs/wcs-pl...ook-v1.1.0.pdf

Gotta be 10 minutes all together then
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9.12 If any player is disconnected from a game, they are required to wait for a tournament administrator to verify the situation and make one of the following decisions depending on the nature of the disconnect:

Restart of the game from the beginning.

Use "Recover Game" to start from an administrator designated point in time.
Declare a winner or a forfeit.

In case of the situation where both players are unable to win the game, tournament organizer will declare a draw and the game will be replayed.

9.13 Per competition day, each player will be given a 10 minute exception for Battle.net disconnections. Players with multiple disconnections may be given a forfeit at the organizer’s discretion.

http://wcs2015.aclpro.com.au/rules/

http://media.blizzard.com/wcs/wcs-pl...ook-v1.1.0.pdf

Gotta be 10 minutes all together then
9.10 Players who intentionally quit a Game before it has ended without a tournament organizer’s permission will concede the Game.

^ If that rule is applied, Nama wins 2-1.
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9.10 Players who intentionally quit a Game before it has ended without a tournament organizer’s permission will concede the Game.

^ If that rule is applied, Nama wins 2-1.
The result was already applied before that point
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The result was already applied before that point
Are you saying, Azz already got the walkover before Resume game was used?
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