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**|Erasmus|** · Mon, 13th-Apr-2015, 8:48 AM

If it wasn't for the fact that he often acts like just as much of a dick with his "smack talk" when there is no game to try and stir people up to play in, there might be even a tiny bit of legitimacy to what you're saying.

I agree that spamming him in-game is a dick move though.

TBH, the biggest thing I hate about all this frustration shit is that, for the first month or so he was back active on sc2sea he was pretty chill, but still had a lot of this community just abuse him whenever he came here because he used to bm them 2 years ago. Not surprising he reverted to the old behaviour when obviously once you bm someone you're an outcast for life... Some people here (honestly can't even remember who this was) need to grow up and accept that sometimes people get mad and might vent a little after a game, but there's really no point continuing that kind of argument 2 years later...

syfIce · Mon, 13th-Apr-2015, 9:04 AM

Im with you billbill Frust is continually bashed like people go out of their way to try and stir shit with him hes trying to handle it better but as you could imagine hes playing a game he loves and he comes here and gets bashed its stupid. Im not saying ash doesnt provoke some of the behavior but the scene is becoming a witch hunt vs frust

FLuX · Mon, 13th-Apr-2015, 9:25 AM

Erasmus makes good points, and I agree with everything he's said.

billbill, I honestly have no idea about what this blog is about. You're saying that messaging a player while in-game is bad sportsmanship? Well of course, no one here will argue against that. Talking smack, stirring people up before game is all well and good until it leaks outside of the game and you start having community-wide backlash against a certain person. The fact of the matter is, talking to Frustration used to be fine for a couple of months last year after he started playing again following his period of absence. However, somewhere in the past few months his attitude towards people in the community and the way he's behaved has changed, and this has made it very difficult to continue to respect him. As a result the way that people view him has changed as well.

I fondly remember having nice conversations with Ash late last year, so I suppose something has changed since then to make him feel the need to be aggressive, troll-like and honestly just straight-up frustrating (huehue) to talk to.

Ice, the reason Frust is continually bashed is because he's continually bashing others. If he started to treat the community and the people within it with more respect, he too, will get respect. This is basic human relations 101, I'd expect a manager of a team to understand how this works. The scene isn't becoming a witch hunt vs Frustration, it's Frustration constantly antagonizing himself in the eyes of the community by being rude, disrespectful and insulting. Essentially, he's trying to set up "Frustration vs The World", where the only person cheering for his side is himself. If Frustration wants to get respect from his peers in the community, then he will have to look back to how he was towards the end of 2014 and try to emulate and improve from there. If Frustration wishes to continue his course as it stands now, he will continue to get the same behaviour from members of the community as he does now.

**syfChadMann** · Mon, 13th-Apr-2015, 9:28 AM

While the msg spam in game is way too much. I dont accept that some of the continued BM and cheating is acceptable because he does it to stir the pot and make people work hard to beat him. If this truely is his aim, then he needs to be aware of the boundaries between harmless sledging and offensive bm. When frust isnt being a rage monster, hes actually a relatively nice person.

As for going out of your way to stir shit with frust. He can be extremely arrogant and bm and if he wants to throw around that sort of behaviour then he should be prepared to receive it back.

Seffy · Mon, 13th-Apr-2015, 10:47 AM

That whole spamming in game or whatever is a dick move, no question about that.

However just remember that if you're being a dick to someone, someone will do the same to you. I've seen people who try to change their image and actually never gave up on it and it worked out for them (I for one can see this currently happening for one member of the site). But if you are going to revert back to being an ass then you won't get that good reputation you chase after.

Snx`Azz · Mon, 13th-Apr-2015, 1:32 PM

protoss players get it the worst in sea

Pox · Mon, 13th-Apr-2015, 1:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Snx`Azz

protoss players get it the worst in sea

True to some extent, but if you think this is why a lot of people don't like ash then you've got your head up your ass.

billbill · Mon, 13th-Apr-2015, 3:26 PM

k I would need a scalpel to carefully quote the agreement lines here about the messaging because some of the stuff around it borders on maybe he deserved it type stuff. Apart from that stuff you all do seem to agree that yes it is wrong. I am so glad I didn't have to add a paragraph about how both teams would hate the guy for ruining the game though because of that. Culprit can read what all you guys say and know what he's doing is not right.

I'm trying to draw the line here between what is acceptable and what is not, I know you guys have good intentions but you are bordering on saying it's possible he deserves it? Well hopefully I read that wrong. I really hope there is some punishment in future against those who DDoS others with messages during games or engage in this type of sabotage activity should it happen in the future. He shouldn't need an obscure barcode account for big tournaments. If it's come to that then we have a very sad state of affairs that need intervention by Blizzard themselves

Not sure whether to ask moderators to close this, so I'll close my argument with this: anyone who doesn't agree there is a distinct difference you are in a very very slim minority. And I really hope I got through to someone who didn't understand this before but has now worked it out without any intervention type stuff happening

Thanks

SLCN.NXZ · Mon, 13th-Apr-2015, 3:36 PM

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Originally Posted by billbill

k I would need a scalpel to carefully quote the agreement lines here about the messaging because some of the stuff around it borders on maybe he deserved it type stuff. Apart from that stuff you all do seem to agree that yes it is wrong. I am so glad I didn't have to add a paragraph about how both teams would hate the guy for ruining the game though because of that. Culprit can read what all you guys say and know what he's doing is not right.

I'm trying to draw the line here between what is acceptable and what is not, I know you guys have good intentions but you are bordering on saying it's possible he deserves it? Well hopefully I read that wrong. I really hope there is some punishment in future against those who DDoS others with messages during games or engage in this type of sabotage activity should it happen in the future. He shouldn't need an obscure barcode account for big tournaments. If it's come to that then we have a very sad state of affairs that need intervention by Blizzard themselves

Not sure whether to ask moderators to close this, so I'll close my argument with this: anyone who doesn't agree there is a distinct difference you are in a very very slim minority. And I really hope I got through to someone who didn't understand this before but has now worked it out without any intervention type stuff happening

Thanks

You're essentially saying that bad things only happen to good people. In the sense that because frustration had this spam happen to him, people should condone his actions elsewhere.

People agree with you that the spam is disgusting but they're saying it has nothing to do with frustration and his trash talk. Both things can be wrong at the same time.

Chiddiru · Mon, 13th-Apr-2015, 3:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DynSL_Ice

Im with you billbill Frust is continually bashed like people go out of their way to try and stir shit with him hes trying to handle it better but as you could imagine hes playing a game he loves and he comes here and gets bashed its stupid. Im not saying ash doesnt provoke some of the behavior but the scene is becoming a witch hunt vs frust

Ash provokes the behaviour 99.9% of the time. He rants, cusses, calls people out, doesn't follow any rules, doesn't take criticism well, hates being told no and a lot more personality issues which cause him to get "bashed". I in no way have seen anything happen that even slightly resembles a "witch hunt vs frust"

I understand you are the manager of the team and he is a part of that, but honestly thinking people are going out of their way to go after him is a bit silly.

Onto the "actual point" of this thread, the in game messaging Frust received, was really silly and immature from the people who did it, I'm sure in future instances, Frust will use in game features to prevent this occuring.

Also Billbill, in no way shape or form have I seen Frust's "shit talking" of players be in a way that would make people want to prove him wrong, he does that simply because he has a huge ego and a lot of arrogance.

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-In response to Erasmus from chatbox, I apologise if this post comes off as passive aggressive towards frust-

billbill · Mon, 13th-Apr-2015, 4:00 PM

O.K, I always get a sour taste in my mouth after I am involved in long threads that are arguing. If this is kept civil and constructive then sure I'll make a couple posts. But hear me out I refuse to continue if I don't like where it's headed. I'd even like to see Frus make a post if he so wishes, without having mud sledged at him.

I've now read the posts more thoroughly like I should have at start. They're pretty much saying two wrongs don't make a right which is good. I could argue "if you don't accept there is a line somewhere". And I'm probably wrong here, but go on to conclude that if he upset someone enough to do something like that then he had it coming. Could be the case. At this point for Frus's sake I'm hoping it was one of the several trolls in chat claiming that the second pause was cause for a disqualification so they can get a kick out of the situation, and that he was a random victim

Having your screen fill up with messages and your whole game cop out, disconnect or whatever due to some troll or trolls it should not happen to anyone. (I guess setting it to unavailable should become a habit the moment you leave the loading screen, you're saying this would 100% prevent?). That's all my point is, and I hope something is done somewhere to prevent a repeat. Although I acknowledge that I alone couldn't induce a change anywhere. Thanks for reading

Frustration · Mon, 13th-Apr-2015, 4:08 PM

Okay to make it all clear, The people involved with the game spam and abuse in game and also the World Championship Group chat were the few americans who are just trolls, who also just come to sc2sea to abuse me and troll me, 1 is named Operator and the others were barcodes so i dont have a name for them, to the point of me "abusing" or "trolling" sc2 is sometimes for fun, sometimes stupid, and sometimes to make people want to be able to beat me as billbill said.

To chiddiru i dont Provoke it 99.9% of the time if you notice in sc2sea chat which you clearly dont there is alot of baits put out for everyone and ALOT for myself as i react the baits.

To seffy, i havent ever provoked these guys if you noticed a week ago or something i beat operator on ladder and then he came and abused me, being Demiloves friend he complained to demilove saying i abused him etc but i had the screenshots of everything said, but anyways he just came onto sc2sea with his mates to cause trouble and annoy me.

to Chadmann i do agree sometimes im a complete idiot and i should probably settle that down abit as to what everyone is refering late 2014, but at times getting bashed on or trolled and baited just takes it toll so lately ive decided to not give a crap and just take it further then i probably should.

To flux, yes i bash alot of people lately and i wouldnt mind being kind again and as you can tell i can be a nice guy when i want to be its just this community and i have a reputation and as you said people keep bringing up stuff from 2012 and trolling me with it for them months that i ignored it but it kept coming so ive just turned into a asshole because i figured there is no point in being nice if the community isnt going to forget the past, which i know you cant just forget but dont just bring it up to bait me out or annoy me..

Thanks billbill for writing this thread and backing me up, also erasmus and ice

SLCNPezz · Mon, 13th-Apr-2015, 6:15 PM

Despite the fact that I've always been polite to you, you continuously bait me with stupid shit, and I've been messaged from multiple people that you are calling me trash in different Skype chats. Please don't act like the victim. I never wanted to be enemies with you.

deth · Mon, 13th-Apr-2015, 7:45 PM

Frustration, i doubt you're important enough for anyone to actually bother spamming you.

Occam's razor here leads me to conclude you're really just a piece of shit who is known to pause at opportune moments to collect yourself and gain an advantage in tournament games.

If you try to argue that you're really not the one provoking conflict 99.9% of the time (or you're turning over a new leaf) one more time, my eyes are going to be in serious danger of rolling out of their sockets.

Grow the **** up, grow a pair and either accept how much of a **** you are or actually do something about your behaviour.

SLCN.Petrify · Mon, 13th-Apr-2015, 7:52 PM

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Originally Posted by deth

Frustration, i doubt you're important enough for anyone to actually bother spamming you.

Occam's razor here leads me to conclude you're really just a piece of shit who is known to pause at opportune moments to collect yourself and gain an advantage in tournament games.

If you try to argue that you're really not the one provoking conflict 99.9% of the time (or you're turning over a new leaf) one more time, my eyes are going to be in serious danger of rolling out of their sockets.

Grow the **** up, grow a pair and either accept how much of a **** you are or actually do something about your behaviour.

+1.

One day Frust will get banned from tournaments for pausing, and it will be glorious.