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If you are diamond one race but masters another race should you be able to play in GPDs?
 

I wasn't sure what forum section i could put this in so ill just make it a blog,
At the moment we are having a discussion in chat box about whether or not you should be able to play in a lower level tournament if you are active with a race that is that level whilst having another account and race at a higher level.
Its my opinion that this is a form of exploiting, id be interested to hear everyone's opinion though perhaps i am clue less. i don't know if/how i can add a poll on a blog doesn't matter....

Re: If you are diamond one race but masters another race should you be able to play in GPDs?
 

I think if you can demonstrate with a second account that you actively ladder on that you are placed in GPD, that would be fine. I can understand if admins say no to keep a clear, simple ruling and not have to go to the effort of checking each special circumstance of this, but I would not have a problem playing you on your zerg or toss account in a GPD.

Re: If you are diamond one race but masters another race should you be able to play in GPDs?
 

nope, because you have master level mechanics/understanding.

Re: If you are diamond one race but masters another race should you be able to play in GPDs?
 

the title was an example btw

Re: If you are diamond one race but masters another race should you be able to play in GPDs?
 

If your actual skill level with the offrace is in that league then it is in theory fair, but it's near impossible to police.

Re: If you are diamond one race but masters another race should you be able to play in GPDs?
 

Pretty much this.. too easy to have a BSG player play on it anyway and just say its you laddering.

Re: If you are diamond one race but masters another race should you be able to play in GPDs?
 

You shouldnt because it doesnt matter if your race knowledge isnt great, your mechanics / game understanding is.

Re: If you are diamond one race but masters another race should you be able to play in GPDs?
 

What if it was Diamond on Protoss, but Gold on Terran, would that be fair?

Re: If you are diamond one race but masters another race should you be able to play in GPDs?
 

But your level of mechanics and game understanding can be accurately classified by the league you are in, so long as you actively ladder.

Re: If you are diamond one race but masters another race should you be able to play in GPDs?
 

There's a reason why GM players are able to offrace without much difficulty.
Be it to understand the other races better or just for fun.
They already have understanding of most matchups at a high level, giving them an advantage.

Re: If you are diamond one race but masters another race should you be able to play in GPDs?
 

And if they ladder actively on another race, they'll end up in masters/GM, not GPD.

Re: If you are diamond one race but masters another race should you be able to play in GPDs?
 

if they are actively laddering as terran, and there terran is gold........whats the problem? its not like a GM nuked there mmr to join a bsg, i faced someone whos main was diamond in a bsg tourny....was a protoss player ranked 22 silver for is alt.....kick him in the rear and sent him packing =p

Re: If you are diamond one race but masters another race should you be able to play in GPDs?
 

Personally, I wouldnt allow it. As an admin you'd be asking me to make a judgement call that your race is definitely of that level. Ladder history is helpful yes, but on the other hand you know the person is a level higher with their main race.

There are definitely differences in peoples skill with each race and they player may well be legit in their ability, but once you open the door of hey I have this ladder account which is my off race, so can I just play as that, you make it much harder to prove everyones actual skill level, and BSG/GPDs are frantic enough already to admin.

But in the end of the day it is the admins call, I think players should definitely bring this up , anyone who hides the fact should be throw out even if they were legit in their lower league of that race.

Edit: In a clan war environment I would definitely be even more skeptical about it. I wouldnt let the masters player, play in a GPD clan war for my clan or any others.

Re: If you are diamond one race but masters another race should you be able to play in GPDs?
 

No, it is too easy and too fast for players who play at a high level to reach new leagues with a difference race.

For example. Mafia's Protoss was albatross (Like Plat and below) when he first tried it out, within a few games he was beating GM's with it. Same can be said with Rossi's Zerg.

The league restriction should be placed on the best possible league such player can achieve, not what league his current race is.

Re: If you are diamond one race but masters another race should you be able to play in GPDs?
 

Like i said in chat, if i was a Bronze or Silver player and was coming up against off-racing Dia/Plats, I would most likely not be playing in that tournament again. It's not your ability to play the race, it's your ability to play the game.

Re: If you are diamond one race but masters another race should you be able to play in GPDs?
 

But what if you laddered actively on it, over a long span of time?

Re: If you are diamond one race but masters another race should you be able to play in GPDs?
 

Again, the account being active on ladder is all you need to stop this. That will happen, I agree. But ensuring that the account is active over the span of X number of games/months basically eliminates that concern.

Re: If you are diamond one race but masters another race should you be able to play in GPDs?
 

its not hard to keep an account in a league though... how do you prove this?

Re: If you are diamond one race but masters another race should you be able to play in GPDs?
 

No it's not... It's equally not difficult to buy an account, ladder it to desired league, and then sign up a new forum user with same name as your smurf, and just not say anything.

I 100% think that if you take on the extra bit of work required as an admin, it will reduce overall smurfing, by giving players who really want to play enough to buy an account and ladder it a way to play in a league with legitimacy.

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Wise man is wise.

I also don't think making more work for volunteer admins checking out whether people have legitimately played a number of games with a particular race at a particular skill level in order to be eligible is a nice thing to be doing.

Re: If you are diamond one race but masters another race should you be able to play in GPDs?
 

What if a player has race switched (e.g lost interest the original main race)? Was masters toss but no longer so? And to make it clear, has a separate account for that other race which is diamond or any other league but masters? And is actively laddering on it?

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If their old account wasnt ranked, it wouldnt count at all in my eyes, it will be like that account never existed.

Re: If you are diamond one race but masters another race should you be able to play in GPDs?
 

Haven't read all other replies yet, sorry if repeating anything.

If a player is known to the admins, and we can see that they are actively and legitimately laddering on a second account and the race they are playing on that account is in the right league for the tournament, then I feel they should be able to play.

If their game understanding, or anything (mechanics, micro, whatever), is above that league, and is enough to get them promoted, then it will get them promoted. Obviously they need to have been laddering legitimately on that account for a decent amount of time to establish that, and I wouldn't be letting someone play who came and said 'hey I bought a second account to offrace with yesterday and got placed silver, can I play BSG?" Err, no. But if it's clearly demonstrable that their skill level places them within the tournament league restrictions, then sure, as long as they're upfront about their other account being higher, and give us time to check them out... it'd be a case-by-case thing, but I wouldn't give a blanket 'no'.

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If the player is consistantly in a low league, how does that demonstrate a level similar to their main race? Do you honestly think that that player would purposely stay in a low league just to play in BSGs or GPDs or whatever? That's a little farfetched. I've played protoss and zerg a lot and my mechanics are horrible as those races. I like to think I am a very mechanical player (hurr pun mech op hurr) but my zerg and protoss skills are terrible. Does that mean I have master level zerg/protoss just because my terran is that level?

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It is a ranked account that is being actively laddered as well [now that he has switched to T]. The player simply could not decide between the 2 races but when he was doing so, I advised him to keep the 2 accounts separate for each race so to show a true reflection of his league [I remember ducky :P]

Re: If you are diamond one race but masters another race should you be able to play in GPDs?
 

I just hate special cases like that...