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Why I asked Seither to play on Aus and not SEA.
 

Okay.. so Freedom thinks we are BM arseholes that wanted an advantage to win at any cost...

This doesn't sit with me so I thought I would put my thoughts to a brief blog.

The past two or three WCS qualifiers or ESL monthly cups fray guys have complained after the tournament privately to me how disappointed they felt after losing on SEA server partially due to ping issues. This disappointment continued during the Ro16 yesterday as seither lost to ender while dealing with 250+ ping plus spikes. Verse a player such as enderr who is known for scrappy games and technical micro demanding play, this is especially a disadvantage.

Now, I have a heap of respect for PsiStorm and Enderr, such a solid player at the top of the scene for a very long time. None of my motive to tell seither to play on AUS had anything to do with getting an advantage for seither or anything against ender. As a manager, my task is to support my team and ensure they have the best opportunity to succeed. The admins had stated previously;
So following those instructions to ensure Seither had the best opportunity to succeed I told Seither he should play on AUS.

For those of you that follow other eSports titles in Australia you'd be aware of frequent CS:GO qualifiers in which players are forced to play on various Asian servers to attend the SEA qualifier. No one ever complains about this, they just have to deal with it if they want good ping. Now this is an ANZ qualifier, played on Australian server.. If SEA players want good ping, fly over to Sydney or convince the admins to implement a fair rule.

Seither even offered to play 2 games from the Bo3 on the SEA server and 1 on AUS. Ender declined.

No one wants the disadvantage, I'm sorry it all turned out this way.

Re: Why I asked Seither to play on Aus and not SEA.
 

yeah fair enough mate

Re: Why I asked Seither to play on Aus and not SEA.
 

All good mate.

Re: Why I asked Seither to play on Aus and not SEA.
 

yeah goes alright mate

Re: Why I asked Seither to play on Aus and not SEA.
 

sounds fair mate.

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Keep in mind all of this unraveled during the tournament in rapid order, from my memory here are the order of events:

1. tournament starts, EnDerr complained of being forced to play in NA server where he has terrible ping.
2. Out of the blue to us, SEA server where we played previously was no longer the server to play on. And that u'd take advantage of a rule since he has bad ping in NA was suggested by the players.
3. We figured ok fine they want to make him play out of SEA how about KR?
4. Apparently that was out of the question also. Wast old "refer to the rule".
5. DemiLove brought to my attention your tweet regarding a game plan, and it was assumed it was to take advantage of EnDerr's ping.
6. I tweeted I just want fair server for BOTH players.
7. Other people tweeted:

NXZ "play to win, take every advantage"
Miley "fairness doesn't matter"

8. Now think about this from our point of view, in a matter of 30 minutes all of this. EnDerr was very upset.
9. Admin offered to split the servers, some SEA, some not. I thought ok good this is at least better than all on NA.
10. I find out EnDerr declined this. I am shocked. Admin agreed he must be very upset.
11. I asked EnDerr why? He said why play in a major tournament with a handicap. Rather play all the games rather than some. I don't follow his logic. I argued well the offer was better than nothing. It was too late the games had started.

12. Not until later that I hear that some of you all were having ping issues in SEA.

Then assholes like Miley tweet with "sick logic bro" "do u even read bro". **** that.

The discussion on twitter then goes to shit. Then Juno jumps in with his "play the victim" and all kinds of crap.

This is WHY nothing good came about, under high pressure, in a big tournament, out of the blue, we see this server change, and all the tweets. What else would we think?

It was never until tweets later revealed that the reason is shitty SEA ping for Seither.

I even said clearly when this first came about "I Just want FAIR ping for both".. "there's no such thing as fair" was a reply.

These short, callous responses, do not help. Miley is an ass. Then Wally calls me a "whiney brat". Are you fcking kidding me. Who the hell are you Wally? Do u know me? Aren't u the guy who whines about balance all the time on twitter I had to unfollow?

Come on... you people know how much we've put into this fkcing region. All I want is good starcraft, and fair games. Yet no benefit of the doubt, no courtesy.

I've gotten too much drama here in SEA.

It would've been one thing if something major like this server change was explained with "Look Seither has crappy ping on SEA, can't play in it, can we pick a fair server to play on?" Then let's list out pings.. then let's play.

Then it's all about comparing pings, and figuring out what's fair for both. I would never in a million years force a player to play in crappy ping, I want good games and real wins.

BUT NOPE. The whole thing degraded. Twitter is bullshit. Twich chat is bullshit. Reddit didn't help. Part of the problem is some of our players who were mad on twitch (of course they'd be if we didn't get full information).

I tried to respond reasonably if you follow the tweets. But nope. Assholes all around jumping in.

In light of what I hear here about bad pings for SEA players IN SEA... well of course it now makes me understand your position better.

Do you think for once we pause and say "hey let's talk this out properly". All I heard during the crucial game start was "Seither is making me play here.. manager says to do so... refer to rule". It's the rule man. Like we are talking to lawyers.

And do you think for once when things are going right, considering all the ping issues EnDerr has been going thru all the years, you'd be a little more sensitive about the whole "no SEA server, u have to play on NA, refer to rule" communication RIGHT AT THE START OF THE TOURNAMENT ????

That's why I was pissed and he was pissed.

Re: Why I asked Seither to play on Aus and not SEA.
 

Admins said that games are to be played on Aus server. Enderr got offered to have 2 games to be within a ping that is really good for him compared to Seither, and declined it.

So, too bad, suck it up.

Re: Why I asked Seither to play on Aus and not SEA.
 

it wasn't out of the blue. The admins have ALWAYS stated that it was AUS server. Its just that everyone is too kind and lets Ender have a ping advantage and plays on SEA.

Re: Why I asked Seither to play on Aus and not SEA.
 

Yeah but like, refer to the rule though. Rules are usually there for a reason

Re: Why I asked Seither to play on Aus and not SEA.
 

If it's supposed to be NA/Aus then that's what it should default to unless both plays agree to change the server. You can't paint someone as the bad guy for being within their rights to play on NA/Aus.

There's no drama here other than PJSalt.

Re: Why I asked Seither to play on Aus and not SEA.
 

somehow demi misunderstanding that tweet and taking it to such an extreme doesn't surprise me

Re: Why I asked Seither to play on Aus and not SEA.
 

#justdemithings

Re: Why I asked Seither to play on Aus and not SEA.
 

It wasn't a malicious attempt to make Ender play on bad ping.. It was just me putting my foot down on my own players taking the disadvantage.

Consider this early warning that it will continue to happen as long as the rules state NA/Aus server. Next qualifier, I'm happy to assist ender where possible for him to come to Australia to play on favourable ping.

Re: Why I asked Seither to play on Aus and not SEA.
 

Yes we always thought we tried to have the best games on what's reasonable. We'd never refer to a rule to take an advantage. That's my point.

It was a change at the last minute for us.

And others replying with "suck it up", you're not adding to the conversation except being an ass. If enough people here on SEA do it, then I see no reason to continue here...

Re: Why I asked Seither to play on Aus and not SEA.
 

I was away and missed the tournament, but it's always been stated was to be played on NA (AUS).

If an arrangement was made between players + admin on some compromise, that's fair and a great display of sportsmanship! And seems like it was offered?

Strange it wasn't accepted, especially with so much on offer...

I wouldn't read to much into twitter/twitch comments. People like to make drama out of nothing.

Re: Why I asked Seither to play on Aus and not SEA.
 

Yes I understand your point, and believe you, now.

As for future events, you bet your ass we have to look at every letter and rule in the book, coz this one totally caught us off guard, on the biggest match night.

Re: Why I asked Seither to play on Aus and not SEA.
 

We didn't refer to the rule to take an advantage. I just refused to allow seither to take a disadvantage. Yeah people were an arse about it afterwards, which is why I'm apologising, but miscommunication and over-reaction from your team is a big part of the issue also. It's always been clear that games were to be played on AUS.... I think its lucky its taken this long for Aus/NZ players to put their foot down and say no.. Like I said earlier, this happens all the time in other games. SC2 players are just too manner.

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I think the fact you were taking what people, who had no involvement in the incident, were saying on twitter as any kind of representation of the situation was never going to end well.

From what you have said it seems like you didn't attempt to communicate with seither in any way to find out his side of the story and just assumed he was trying to gain an advantage instead of not forcing himself to play on a server he gets bad ping to when the rules (which have been known since the first season of wcs) clearly state the games are to be played on the Australian server.

I can see numerous tweets directly after your complained explaining the situation that you either misinterpreted or completely missed. e.g. https://twitter.com/fray_ChadMann/st...37913847033856.

At the end of the day you shouldn't let what everyone on twitter and twitch chat says get to you and use it as a reason to lash out at seither, fray and the admins.

Re: Why I asked Seither to play on Aus and not SEA.
 

Alive Game!

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I argued with EnDerr about refusing this offer. His point was he didn't want to play in a tainted disadvantaged series so that if he SEA was on g2, and others where g1/3 or whatever combo, he'd still lose no matter what in the crappy AUS/NA server he was forced to play on. I *sort of* see his point there.

BUT, me personally I'd take it coz it's better than nothing.

That's why I gave him a hard time about this - but he wasn't thinking clearly and made a rash decision... while pressured to start the game. You can imagine the position he was in, after his previous ping issues preventing him from playing in previous WCS tourneys.

NA was so bad for him, he saw no reason to play further, if he couldn't beat Seither with this ping, then how the F is he gonna beat Iaguz? So forfeiting was the option I agreed to, especially since his mental state at the time was so bad also.

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You're acting like a whiny little brat who's had his lollipop taken away, and I'm not sure if it's more comical or just plain sad. Continuing the trend of acting like a spoiled little brat, "If you don't give me my lollipop back I'm gonna run away and I'll never come back!".

Thanks for making my evening. It seems we're all in agreement here. The rules were followed, and Enderr can only blame himself for turning down an offer from both the admin and Seither that would actually disadvantage Seither in their series together. Perhaps it is worth making an effort in future to remember to review the rules before attempting to start a media shitstorm and dragging players and organizations who were in the right through the mud?

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You are right about those - I'm clearing out my twitter for those people - and not pay attention to twitch chat.

Regarding the "it's always been this way". Yes I get that. But keep in mind, if you normally play games on SEA (this is for crying out loud SEA isn't it?), then later change it and say "refer to rule", then it's a big enough change that it screws with the player especially if his ping to AUS/NA is ridiculous.

Re: Why I asked Seither to play on Aus and not SEA.
 

You're trivializing our problem by saying "its a lollipop taken away". In our POV, it was like "hey play basketball but u have to wear stilletos, refer to the rule". This is not a lollipop like it's not important.

"you're sad" "it's comical" - SMH

Re: Why I asked Seither to play on Aus and not SEA.
 

SEA players deal with these issues all of the time. I was not referring to Enderr's situation, but I was referring more to YOUR situation. The fact that you immediately thought it okay to go on and post slander about a hard working and ethical player like Seither and overshadow his performance today by making it all about you; and then had the sheer audacity to come on to this forum and spout more nonsense and threaten to pull the plug on your support in the region, simply because people refused to agree with your idiocy.

I've been asked to stop posting, and I'm going to leave it here. You, as the owner of PsiStorm, need to review your actions this evening and the decisions you've made in the aftermath of this tournament and consider the way it reflects on your organization.

Re: Why I asked Seither to play on Aus and not SEA.
 

"audacity to post and spout more nonsense". - I see, so giving my POV and explaining here, is nonsense. Got it.

"your idiocy" - again, SMH

Re: Why I asked Seither to play on Aus and not SEA.
 

This is just an elaborate plan to create drama to bring sc2sea back to life