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The rise and fall of Dynasty
 

Hi, many of you know me as a troll back year or two ago in the community but ive still been around in the skype groups following this game and the community.

Tonight i had a interesting conversation with "Ice" manager of the Dynasty about hosting a LAN in a dead state, Future of Dynasty and money management.

So this all started when we were talking about relevant sea players, someone commented wally oh nvm, followed by a every dynasty player oh nvm. Ice commented saying his team was relevant, With me following up asking if his team was gold-dia? Because i honestly wasn't sure what the team was. He avoided the question for awhile then said oh we have "Frustration". The bad manner protoss who has been on almost every team in sc2sea and is not the person you want representing your up and coming "Amateur" team especially if you want to appeal to sponsors.

After twenty minutes of him trying to justify the frustration pick up the conversation made a sudden turn to ice boosting about having such great sponsor already a "server company" which any amateur team to ever pop up on sc2sea has had. He said they helped him host the recent LAN in Perth to "rebuild WA LAN scene". I questioned him on why he would try to rebuild a scene in a dead area, instead of going to melbourne and hosting a much larger event with better results in both attendance and profit. He followed up by saying "it wasn't about the money" it was only to grow the already beyond dead scene in perth. Hell even Adelaide has more people sign up for events, Avcon had 30 people (These were random nobody's but it still proves there a tiny scene here compared to the dead state of perth)
The LAN pulled a total of 11 showed up to play and afew spectators. Quite a profitable event for frustration beating afew random nobodys and dropping one game to some diamond player (Remember Frustration is a NA GM) to take home $300+. Minimal profit for the event was had. Hosting a $500 event lan in a dead state, profitable.

I went on to saying that if he hosted this event in Melbourne he could have doubled-tripled the profit of the event, Had a real challenge for frustration and seen dynasty have a tiny rise within the LAN scene. But it wasn't about the money, he didn't say what it was about. But when you are creating a business you want it to have some profit and not just be a place to dump money or you could just buy a hooker for the night and experience higher profit.

This conversation changed into Ice saying that in 6 months dynasty will be big and make a difference in the sc2 sea scene, With picking up frustration this has only proven in a month or two he will leave because you cant offer him anything other then a shirt and minimal money, because no sponsor will get anywhere near this team with frustration being on it and also being in starcraft 2. The game is dead, the only teams that will have good sponsorship are the teams that have been going for years because they are actually relevant in the scene (Fray, x5, Ecko, TTysf, Silcone). All of these teams have people who place high in events and have good reputations.

The future of dynasty is looking great in the hands of ice with the money management in his hands you can expect plenty of profit to be wasted and down the drain just making whats left of sea sc2 esports even less.

Beware when you try to join this origination for the management team is highly uneducated and make extremely illogical decisions.

Six months from now ice said dynasty will rise, i expect it to be exactly the same as any other amateur team to join sc2sea. A failed joke and a pit which has sucked money to produce zero profit.

"ur an idiot" - Ice. When told sc2 isnt profitable for any sponsor anymore

TLDR: Ice is an idiot who doesn't understand anything about business and only wants to waste money sponsor money that could actually be used to benefit the scene.
GLHF xox

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thanks for the useless thread ! you said so much bullshit it wasn't funny !

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xXxBringBackTheBeefxXx 2k15

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I approve of this blog.

There were legitimate points raised too jevynmate.

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Is it just me, or has the beef in SEA actually exploded since you wrote that blog? fray vs DynSL and Wally talkin' more shit than ever, it's good stuff.

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very valid points were given.

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#bringbackthespook 2015

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I am the bringer of beef

Alive game 2k15 and we didnt even need dragons

We made it boiz

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Everyone and their dog knows there isn't money in sc2 for the vast majority. if someone is going to come out and say "we aren't doing this one particular event for the money", isn't going on about how illogical and wasteful it is for 2 paragraphs kind of moot?

As for where Dyn will be in 6 months, I'm not a commentator.

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"TLDR: Ice is an idiot who doesn't understand anything about business and only wants to waste money sponsor money that could actually be used to benefit the scene.
GLHF xox"
What if i told you, that there's more to life than money?

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You really need a lesson in economics.

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Are you related to avlio?

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Yeah man you know where its at we dont need any of that dirty corporate money we just running on dreams and passion this is how we bring the scene back to life, I can already hear the old pro's returning with all this passion we are seeing.

**** MONEY

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- You really need a lesson in economics.

Don't really need a lesson in economics to see that the LAN wasn't the best investment rofl.

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In defense of Ice and Dynasty:

Ok, first of all, I have nothing to do with them. But I think the OP deserves to be read with an open mind. I always believe there are two sides to the coin, and not everything in the OP is probably true because this is what all you Dynasty haters wanna read anyway, about how dumb and stupid and ridiculous the team is. Some things might be exaggerated, like how he mentioned about arguing for 20 minutes, but I'm just curious how many lines were exchanged? And also it'd help if you could provide some image proof of Ice calling you an idiot at that exact moment. Heck, proof of him ignoring you and changing the topic would be even greater. Blatant accusation is really rude, which is just what I see now.

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Now on to what I have to say. I don't think everyone who joins a team has this thinking that they want to get something out of the team, like money or sponsorship of any kind. Some may just want to join a team for practice partners, or simply for fun, which I really think is the case for Frustration. I'm pretty sure he knows the difference of sponsorship he could have gotten from SYF Gaming and Dynasty Organisation. This probably goes the same to the rest who are the Diamonds you all are making fun of.

As for PSiArc, I really don't know what kind of move is that. I only have one advice for you, Ice, and that is to "be wise'. At this stage you probably think you're doing well and building up the team well, and it might work out well for you. But in the future, if you do realise that it's not gonna work out, don't give yourself delusional thoughts that it can still work out as long as you try X and do Y, and hope for Z to happen. Chances are that it will not work. It is a big dream to build up a team and I think the only person that has successfully done so is Zenabi, although eCKo does not have a big name sponsor yet. It still works out, so I'm happy for them.

Please don't be a (name censored) and fail at doing things. Big ideas, big hype and a huge steam engine at the start of projects, but always fail to finish well. Empty promises that did not get fulfilled, and lots of disappointments for the people who trusted him. You also like to say that your team is "not new, it's an established team" and so was Avant. Avant killed Nick (or Nick killed himself) and our favourite 4CC hero DanO, and also killed the dream that we're all waiting for, Vox.Pox. Don't let your selfishness (sorry for the harsh use of words) of wanting the team to succeed kill the optimism of others.

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TL;DR:

There's two sides of the same coin. Might be traces of bullshit in Centrelink's post.

Know when to stop, don't delude yourself if things aren't going well.

Don't be another letdown that SC2SEA has seen for the past few years already. New teams in a not-so-alive scene for eSports always died. Ascension, Revolt, 3D or whatever that shit was called, SEA Serpents (which turned into a Diamond group of friends once I "took over"), and Sharks.

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Conversation starter:
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Frustartion
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Sponsorship/LAN hosting
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http://puu.sh/gi0Du/78733c616e.png
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Ice talking about how the org isnt only sc2 related.
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Talking about players and how me questioning how he will make it into the scene
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LAN comments + talking about my LAN
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http://puu.sh/gi125/e395478a11.png

Talking about business being up and running.
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Enough?

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[1:30:23 AM] Fullmetal: "Hi, many of you know me as a troll back year or two ago in the community"
Really? This is your opening statement? If you want anybody here to take you seriously please learn english.

"The LAN pulled a total of 11 showed up to play and afew spectators. Quite a profitable event for frustration beating afew random nobodys and dropping one game to some diamond player (Remember Frustration is a NA GM) to take home $300+. Minimal profit for the event was had. Hosting a $500 event lan in a dead state, profitable."
Anyone with a brain is capable of knowing you aren't going to make profit with this kind of event. Ice and skitz decided to organise this LAN because it's just something they wanted to do. I would love to hear a glimmer of logic supporting this rant post about how a team is going to die because some people decided they were going to invest some money into trying to support the local scene and have some fun.

"The game is dead, the only teams that will have good sponsorship are the teams that have been going for years because they are actually relevant in the scene (Fray, x5, Ecko, TTysf, Silcone). All of these teams have people who place high in events and have good reputations."
What makes any of these teams much different to dynasty? Last time i checked all of those teams you listed (excluding exile 5) don't have any players that actually place highly in noteworthy tournaments in the first place. And if you actually think that tournament placements and skill have much anything to do with attracting sponsorships then you seriously need to take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror and question what your are doing with your life.

"The future of dynasty is looking great in the hands of ice with the money management in his hands you can expect plenty of profit to be wasted and down the drain just making whats left of sea sc2 esports even less. "
Yes, im sure that you're quite upset by the fact somebody isnt spending their money in a way you would like them to.

"TLDR: Ice is an idiot who doesn't understand anything about business and only wants to waste money sponsor money that could actually be used to benefit the scene. GLHF xox"
Business? You sway that word around like you have the slightest idea of what business is. Business can be found in the form of an occupation, and that's exactly what this is. Ice and skitz have found a hobby, an ocupation. Maybe you should go find one that dosn't involve making trash posts about things you dont even fully understand. Next time why don't you go mind your OWN
"business"

so yeah Fullmetal got me to post this because he felt like it was necessary wasting his time doing this... well, because he can't log into sc2sea for some reason.

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centerlink minds his own business pretty well actually
you'd be surprised

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I dont know why but this made me laugh, a lot

RIP THE NEXT TERRAN HOPE YOU WILL LIVE ON IN MY HEART ALWAYS

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I didn't even know he still ******* existed tbh and I'm part of a chat group he talks in.

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Everyone needs to get a ******* life and stop being little bitches about everything.

Holy ****.

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Fair enough, those are very informative. Only problem I have is the 20 minutes part which I don't see. But other than that, seems pretty convincing about the dodges. Also, I didn't know so many people were in the conversation lmao.

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"Hi, many of you know me as a troll back year or two ago in the community"

Really? This is your opening statement? If you want anybody here to take you seriously please learn english.
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"The LAN pulled a total of 11 showed up to play and afew spectators. Quite a profitable event for frustration beating afew random nobodys and dropping one game to some diamond player (Remember Frustration is a NA GM) to take home $300+. Minimal profit for the event was had. Hosting a $500 event lan in a dead state, profitable."

Anyone with a brain is capable of knowing you aren't going to make profit with this kind of event. Ice and skitz decided to organise this LAN because it's just something they wanted to do. I would love to hear a glimmer of logic supporting this rant post about how a team is going to die because some people decided they were going to invest some money into trying to support the local scene and have some fun.
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"The game is dead, the only teams that will have good sponsorship are the teams that have been going for years because they are actually relevant in the scene (Fray, x5, Ecko, TTysf, Silcone). All of these teams have people who place high in events and have good reputations."

What makes any of these teams much different to dynasty? Last time i checked all of those teams you listed (excluding exile 5) don't have any players that actually place highly in noteworthy tournaments in the first place. And if you actually think that tournament placements and skill have much anything to do with attracting sponsorships then you seriously need to take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror and question what your are doing with your life.
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"The future of dynasty is looking great in the hands of ice with the money management in his hands you can expect plenty of profit to be wasted and down the drain just making whats left of sea sc2 esports even less. "

Yes, im sure that you're quite upset by the fact somebody isnt spending their money in a way you would like them to.
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"TLDR: Ice is an idiot who doesn't understand anything about business and only wants to waste money sponsor money that could actually be used to benefit the scene. GLHF xox"

Business? You sway that word around like you have the slightest idea of what business is. Business can be found in the form of an occupation, and that's exactly what this is. Ice and skitz have found a hobby, an ocupation. Maybe you should go find one that dosn't involve making trash posts about things you dont even fully understand. Next time why don't you go mind your OWN
"business"

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Sigh. Centerlink, its people like you who make me ashamed of our community. We are a small community trying to to make something of our selves but at the end of the day all it comes down to is us being a bunch of circle jerking elitists who can't handle anything new happening that could threaten their stable world.

I'm not going to talk shit, i'm just going to lay this down. As many of you know i have been doing a ton of casting work here for coming up on a year now. I have my own agenda as i am amatuer caster looking to try and breakout and become the next big caster to come out of OSC on the same level as someone like maynarde and some day cast major events like an IEM. We have seen plenty of "daimond" teams pop up before and none of them had any appeal to me where as dynasty was able to win me over. I would not have joined Dynasty if i didn't have faith they could make a positive impact on our scene and in return be a team brand that i could be proud to rep.

So far i have seen Dynasty make a bigger impact than all the previous "diamond" teams (like seriously, who were they again?) with far more meanigful activity on the forums being caused as a result and one of those side effects is literally nobodies coming out to talk smack about a scene they barely participate in now. Go back under your bridge you troll, thats where you belong

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Mushi has a history of being overly blunt with the things he says, but he often has merit in what he has to say regardless. I wish he'd spent more time on making the post, but it’s hard to predict how much response will come out of it. As of writing my post, I’ve read all the posts in this thread, and followed people’s opinions on the WA LAN. I’ve also read the other blog by Ice regarding how he thought the WA LAN went.

So, as of right now, my opinion is that Dynasty themselves doesn’t owe any of us anything regarding their own investments. They can decide they want to start or revive a sc2 scene anywhere, and then proceed to invest there. Whether or not it’s a profit to them doesn’t seem to be a concern, as a few of their members have been quick to reply with in this thread. If they want to make a LAN, they can make a LAN. I’ve seen much more money invested in much worse ways in sc2 in the past. They can use their own money on anything they want to, and there will be no problems with me of them doing it.

The problem for me comes when it’s not their own personal money being used for reasons like this. If you waste enough sponsor money on things that aren’t for profit, the sponsors will either not stick around, or won’t invest as much next time. So in that sense, you’re doing the scene more harm than good. As for growth in WA itself, I don’t believe growth is the product of throwing money at something and crossing your fingers. If you want growth, don’t host a one off $500 event. You’ll be better off splitting the same amount of money into three smaller events. Or even better yet, you can have an only WA online tournament series, to split the money even further and get even more games (and more value) for your money. If you want examples of terrible waste of money events, I’d be glad to give them, and explain why they were bad investments. You should always be looking to at least come out even (or close to even) in your investments, so that you can ensure even more investments into SC2 in the future.

But having read the comments of Dynasty members, I doubt growth is the actual reason. Perhaps they have some other ulterior motive that one can only blindly guess at. My advice to them would be simple, don’t try to be the flame that shines brighter than any other, be the one that lasts the test of time. Stop thinking about what would be spectacular right now, and instead think what would be good for a large period of time.

I don’t plan to respond to each individual Dynasty response, as they seem all over the place at the moment. I think some of you should have held your tongues though, as you seem to be replying out of emotion and not properly helping Dynasty’s side of the argument as a result. Even when it looks like you're trying to, you resort to insults at some point. I'd tell you to grow up, but that'd be a bit ironic for me to say after that last sentence.

tl;dr Mushi wrote his post too quickly, Dynasty members are responding poorly, the event was potentially a bad use of sponsor money in my opinion. This needs to be addressed properly by Ice, not by emotional Dynasty members looking to pitchfork Mushi.