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Am I SEA's Idra?
 

My fellow FaDe team mates and anyone who has had more than one conversation with me probably knows that I tilt and get really angry very easily.
When I am calm of mind I do see problems with game design in sc2 and architecture in BNet I do feel that terran is too well constructed and protoss is - depsite having holes in its construction much like zerg - is very much easier to play.
But when I try my best and doing things like multi pronged harass, holding off push after push only to hit a will when i try to counter when I should be able to punish the player I cannot. Or when I fail to defend a strat I know 100% is coming~
My rage starts to well and my blood begins to boil. It brings my feelings about this game and totally blows them out of proportion and the game becomes fundamentally broken in my eyes. I can't hear advice on how to improve and i'm left bashing my head against a wall not being able to understand what is happening and why I lose to players worse than me.

When I play protoss I can't believe how laid back it is and how I don't have anything at all to fear yet from the opening second as zerg I have to manage a list of 30+ all ins while desperately trying to find out what my opponent is doing.

This disparity makes me quite sad
And this is piled on the mess that is BNet and the missed opportunity that was campaign TT

Anyway I wonder how do people stop BS from clouding their SC2 experience? How do I get raped despite feeling like I was doing better than my opponent without it turning me into a frenzy? Especially when I feel like I have to get some good ladder games in before I can log off TT

To the trolls I am of course nowhere near as good a player as Idra so you don't need to willfully misinterpret the title thanks

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SEA Idra = Zanooku :P

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nah he's not zerg and he is way more bm than Idra

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I used to have this problem a lot.

Simply put, you're not better than your opponents when you lose. If you don't realise this then you will 100% get more frustrated.
I used to rage hardcore at CSS, calling other people no-names, rejects, fat, all because I didn't think they deserved to beat me Or I raged at my teammates believing everybody to be in the wrong but me.
When I started up SC2 I realised that every single loss is my own fault, other people deal with the exact same thing that I do but better.
Now there's definately times when I get frustrated because I lose badly in a game I shouldn't when I have an advantage and I throw it away and feel like the other person didn't deserve it. But if you're feeling this every game you lose you won't enjoy this game.
If you feel that Zerg is pigeonholed that hard into completely defensive play, maybe Zerg isn't the best race for you.

Watching Sheth's stream a lot I often hear him say things like 'well the only way he can get back into this game is if he goes x'. I feel the game gets a lot easier to deal with when you condense into small situations to think about.
A lot of the time with Zerg I feel the optimum thing to do whenever you defend a push is to tech or expand. Mutas are a great way to harrass somebody into submission when you get ahead, although they won't win the game, they will make it super easy to get broods which will defintely do that.
Roaches against Protoss are super hard to deal with when the Zerg gets even a little bit of breathing room.

To sum it up, if you don't like zerg, play something else, if you don't stop pretending you're better than everyone you play you WILL quit this game in a blaze of rage,

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that's because you played cs source, terrible decision

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I took a break from the game, re-evaluated my priorities and asked myself what I really want from the game.

I realised that I was mostly playing for fun, and playing to win, because it's always nice to win :P Playing SC2 made me severely stressed out, made me feel like I had to perform at the best every time. Since I'm obviously at a level where I'm competing against others of similar skill level, it's basically a huge gamble of my happiness :P

I realised, of course, that I need to sit down, allocate time and energy to allow myself to be at a point where I can play SC2 ladder, not rage and actively learn from the game.
Now that Uni's started, I don't have the time or energy to set aside to sit down and play/learn SC2. When I come home and plop myself down on the computer and looking to play a game to ease my mind off things, I'm looking for a low stress and low risk environment where there is a little breathing room (which is why I play LoL nowadays).

I do feel though that once I purchase a 2nd/3rd account for offracing I'll probably get back into SC2 ladder. That said, given my preference for LoL, I should just mess around in 4v4s as well :P

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I tried LoL and got bored very quickly.

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I still love you Meatex.

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I had really big problems with rage for my first several months of playing SC2. I'm still not completely in the clear, but I feel as though I have much better grip on things now, and at worst experience disappointment rather than the pure anger I was previously prone to.

The circumstances probably aren't the same for everyone, but for me the main things behind my SC2 rage seemed to be:

* Being unhappy about other things. I had some problems IRL that were getting me down, and I was coming to SC2 for an escape, something to make me feel better. So when SC2 turned around and crushed me it would make me feel like absolute s**t. Starcraft wasn't really the problem though, I needed to find some things to be happy about and start making steps to fix my problems so my head was in a better place to start with.

* Aiming to win. As someone who mostly played WoW and single-player games beforehand, I found that I was very much in the habit of "winning". I had rarely had to deal with a game where the odds weren't stacked in my favour and I had a very real chance to fail - a lot. This takes some getting used to, and I still haven't completely conquered it. Hell, who doesn't enjoy a win? If you really want to be a good player though, you need to take the advice I have seen many top players give and stop playing to win, and instead start playing to improve. Find things about your game that you need to fix, and your losses can still be a success.

* Hating the game. There is always going to be a balance debate, sometimes there are valid points that come up, others not so much. Whatever the case, worrying about it doesn't help you become a better player. Raging about an OP Race/Unit/Strategy is a hindrance to your progress because you're ultimately absolving yourself of any responsibility in being beaten by it. There is rarely anything that shows up in the game that is actually unbeatable though, you just need do some homework, put your thinking cap on and find a way around it.

* Stressing about League/Rank. It's nice to get promoted and have a shiny little star on your badge, but ultimately these things do not matter at all. If you're losing a lot of games then sure, there is probably something you need to work on, but don't get sucked into worrying about your rank. Focus on the big picture, play your games and just worry about improving. Your ranking will take care of itself.

Those are the things I've worked on to try get my rage under control anyway. Maybe you'll find something in there that helps, maybe not. In any case, glhf!

TL;DR - Be happy and just aim to improve

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I thought I was the sea Idra? Easily angered and vocal as hell.

Welp, now I have to look forward to something else. Thanks for taking it away from me T_T

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But did you hear what Idra had to say about hellions
DAMN

He said that zerg are having trouble and we'll have to wait and see how zergs will be able to adapt. Can you believe the nerve >.<
He did save himself by saying in a week it will be found to be totally broken though

Re: Am I SEA's Idra?
 

na i dont think your seas idra because people like him

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Really? Whenever I watch your stream you're either bouncing along to DJ Ravine, or yelling at your teammates because they ate all the chicken...okay maybe you are vocal.

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thanks for the constructive comment
But people do like me while you don't
Just like some people like Idra and some don't

And everybody loves Tgunn

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tgun is the best in sea... at everything... even at being idra

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No way
Tgunn is good and everything and ima let him be the better player
But FaDeMeatex is SEA's best Idra of all time
:P
Tgunn can outplay me every game using only his mouse but he can't outrage me nor can he out rant about T/P imba me so :P

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That's because all zerg fast-expand, get greedy, and then rage when get punished for that. You just don't know this protoss feeling when you fight for 30 mins just to get your 3rd up, and then lose to one good EMP.

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You're just doing it wrong. Switch to Protoss full-time if it's so easy and relaxing

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You're forgetting. Being idra is more then getting mad easily. Being idra is being EXTREMELY unmannered and holding grudges and never stepping back from anything you say. Being Idra is being one of the best players in the world. Being Idra is getting banned repeatedly. Being idra is to not sugar coat anything. Being idra is to provide poorly punctuated responses to threads. Being idra is to polarize people between "people shouldn't be dicks!" and "People are funny, let them be!"

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no you aren't sea's idra, Idra is good at the game..

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You're SEA's friendly neighbourhood IdrA. Zanooku is SEA's CombatEX. LOL!

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"When I play protoss I can't believe how laid back it is and how I don't have anything at all to fear yet from the opening second as zerg I have to manage a list of 30+ all ins while desperately trying to find out what my opponent is doing."

What worries me is that you actually believe the game to be fundamentally broken Meatex! Somewhere deep inside you your upsets over b.net (worse then wc3 bnet) and campagin (like all games in last few years is like a trashy hollywood movie...) make you angry and give you excuses!

I used to feel the exact way you do but the game's evolved and the pro koreans have shown the way! Nowadays I feel protoss have a severe disadvantage against Zerg and really need to take their scouting reads and build flexibility to an amazing level to cause a challenge. Whilst basic zerg macro mechanics involve alot more clicking and apm then Protoss we can often, especially at the lower levels, win simply through out-macroing them. Alot of us have this conception that macro is hard. But it really isn't. Macro is the easiest part of sc! What it does take is time to perfect your mechanics in an efficient and organised way! Especially as zerg this is so important.

Also toss are very powerful once they get into the very lategame, especially with good sentry retention. so if you aren't aggressive you miss the points where you need to trade armies and try to in bad positioning, too late on, and hence die.

So what I'm saying is that yes, when my mechanics were bad I felt the exact same way. Protoss were friggin OP and retarded and FF was stupid. The truth of the game is though that you can't criticise the balance of the races cos there are SO many aspects in this game. Even when my mechanics still sucked I learnt to be aggressive vs toss and started RAPING! Like srsly ass-raping. So just one change in my mindset and I started dominating.

So these are the two main reasons you die and rage to toss especially:

1) Mechanics need refinement and to be well ordered (unless you want to play at 200+apm)
2) You don't know when to be aggressive (lack of scouting is probably part of this)

"But when I try my best and doing things like multi pronged harass, holding off push after push only to hit a will when i try to counter when I should be able to punish the player I cannot"

--> you don't know when/how to be aggressive this seems.
-->Punishing them shouldn't be a front-on counter! Maybe it should be taking extra expos or something!


As for Terran being easier then zerg. Hells no. in terms of the speed you play at terran need a huge amount of game speed. Arguments arouind them sitting behind their wallin without fear of rushes aren't valid because there ARE all-ins such as roach-ling and bane bust that can destroy them if not defended perfectly. Not only that but they NEED to be aggressive or Protoss and Zerg get too many bases and T is F'd. So they need good macro while microing while reacting to what they see. Terran is damn hard, despite being able to build units very easily they have the hardest depot production! have to call mules, swap addons for efficiency etc.

Ok so besides you fundamentally believing the game is flawed, the reason you always go to that excuse is because your happiness clearly lies too much in winning! You have to remember its a sport and you can't really expect to win more then 50% unless you've been putting loads of work in.

Also what Yang said is spot on.

Basically Overall I think you've fallen into the Idra 'beta' mindset where he just bitched 24/7 and never stopped QQing over every little thing and thought that anyone that attacked his 100 drone count was a cheesing nub.

Your comment on your counter "running into a wall" reminded me of the game vs silver where Idra built 5-6 waves of 12+ ultras and each time threw them into a choke at silvers army of MMM tank. Idra raged like a mofo! But even my silver-league self saw that he was clearly using ultras the wrong way and was being a stubborn-minded douche.

I still you Meatex! Figured you wanted honest feedback or wouldnta put the thread up Hope I don't sound too critical! I used to feel the same way so I;m trying to give you the tools that helped me rage less!

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Well I only think the game is broken when I'm raging
Like now I haven't been playing so I know its not broken but I do think bnet is terribly coded and that Zerg is missing some things

Its not so much about winning but I don't like feeling like I tried my hardest but couldn't win against someone who put no effort into the match and that even though I'm trying i'm not improving.

Also my APM hasn't improved since gold so I think i'm at my max

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Well, making carriers is a good talent toi have, so you've got my vote.

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The thing that worries me is that noone has actually said the word "replay" in this entire thread. It's not clear to me that you are aware of the basic way to get better. When you flip out, go away, calm down (take as long as you need), then come back and watch the replay. If you can watch it with a friend at the same time or whatever, so much the better. In the replay, don't fast forward through it. Continuously look for flaws in your play. Look for significant periods of non-production, of missed injects, of supply blocks. Ask yourself: "was I scouting regularly? Did I know what my opponent was doing?". Also keep comparing your army to your opponents: I often find when I feel I played better than the other guy, that I look at the replay and see my army was significantly stronger but I didn't attack until they had a chance to macro out the right units, or maybe I just executed the attack worse than I thought.

You can't just rely on playing the game over and over to get better. If you aren't thinking about your strengths and weaknesses, and considering what to improve on, you won't get better.

Otherwise: DITCH THE IMBALANCE TALK. I understand it when you are raging, but you shouldn't be thinking about it at all otherwise. Other than close positions Shattered Temple, there is no significant balance issue any more. Every race has aggressive and defensive options. Every race has unit counters to every other unit. Like Pig said, balance is irrelevant because there are so many aspects to the game. Its just a question of figuring out what you are losing to, and then figuring out a way of beating that thing.