[ROOT`iaguz]

Note, this is a collaborative effort between me and Tgun. We take full responsibility if this accusation turns out to be unfounded and would hope that you would all trust us not to come to a conclusion on this sort of matter lightly.

In the ACL Online Round 2 that I played today I played one game against Sensei. He did a peculiar build that I recalled having played against a while ago on the North American ladder, but was being performed by MYiShinya. After this game, Sensei forfeit against me and left the tournament abruptly. Being curious I opened up both replays to note the similarities between their builds, and also noticed that their hotkeys were also the same.

For reference, Shinya uses these hotkeys
1: scouting probe/army
2: nexus's
3: gateways/warpgates
4: aditional production
0: nexus's

I currently have 2 replays from both me and HuT against shinya on NA ladder and these are the hotkeys he uses. These are the same used against me, Delete and HuT in ACL OR 2. They are all ShinyA's hotkey set up. I have the replays provided.

Piqued, I went to find more Shinya and sensei replays. Fenner supplied me with one from patch 1.4.3 almost a year ago against sensei. Sensei uses these hotkeys

1: Nexus's
2: Production
3-5: Army.

Compare those to recent replays from SEACL 3, Tier 3. Sensei vs Tragic hero where he is still using the same hotkey scheme months afterwards, and very recently. They are also the same replays Sensei uses in ACL OR 1, from these replays against Pezz and DevianT.

The only conclusion that me and Tgun can arrive to is that ShinyA was playing on Sensei's account for the ACL Online Round 2.

ALL REPLAYS LABELLED AND IN THIS LINK

http://www.mediafire.com/?83lfu3hsgj0ul

Quick Comments

	Satu:	Yay drama
	nirvAnA:	Thanks for bringing this to light guys.
	Dox:	it's not drama ~_~

[Baldie]

ACLPro was made aware of the claims regarding SenSei this afternoon and has been looking into the situation internally. A final verdict will be made as soon as appropriate. The decisions made by ACLPro will not be based on that of the community. However we will consider looking into any further evidence put forward. Due to the serious nature of this, ACLPro will not make a decision until it has considered all options.

[iM tgun]

Confirming that I'm also responsible. I also urge anyone to review the evidence before making their own claims / supporting us or trying to tell us we're wrong.

[RuineD]

"iM tgun
I am the LAW!"

aka iMtheLAW

[TACosmic]

well played shinya big frags there taking out kingkong 2-1 instant fan

Quick Comments

	nirvAnA:	Yea lets ignore the fact he smurfed on your clan mates account? Obv skill > values!
	NvRossi:	obvious troll mr nirvana

[Plottel]

If this is found to be the case, will Sensei also face disciplinary action? Is there any way to prove he gave shinya consent or will he be able to play this off as a random hack?

[ToRSpookToR]

Sensei is in MYI afaik (same team) correct me if i am wrong.
EDIT: i think the most important thing here is that this toss has 1 army hotkey and is fairly high ranked. Protoss.................

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by Plottel

If this is found to be the case, will Sensei also face disciplinary action? Is there any way to prove he gave shinya consent or will he be able to play this off as a random hack?

Sensei is also be in question here. We believe he played the OR1 qualifiers (as seen in the replay / hotkey analysis) and that Shinya played on his account for OR2.

[Fenner]

Originally Posted by Plottel

If this is found to be the case, will Sensei also face disciplinary action? Is there any way to prove he gave shinya consent or will he be able to play this off as a random hack?

He is known to have shared his account with Shinya before, for previous tournaments.

Yeah spook they're on the same team (NA clan) and both good friends.

[jayaiwhy]

yolo

moar drama

iM SundeR: solid contribution to the thread!
Original post edited, would've been already banned if all I said was yolo.

Quick Comments

	ToRSpookToR:	confirmed hacker who needs proof
	iM tgun:	Proof, please.
	iM SundeR:	solid contribution to the thread!

[Lokth]

/popcorn

on a more serious note, If proven guilty I hope this would result in a permanent ban from all other future acl events; hate people who do things like this.

[nirvAnA]

I'm wondering....why didn't Shinya just play on his own account? I thought ACL was open to all of SEA this time around?

update: ty guys, my bad for some reason i thought he was from HK

Quick Comments

	jayaiwhy:	I always thought Shinya lived in US .___.
	Baldie:	ACL is still only AUS/NZ for SC2

[Fenner]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

I'm wondering....why didn't Shinya just play on his own account? I thought ACL was open to all of SEA this time around?

He's American

[ToRSpookToR]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

I'm wondering....why didn't Shinya just play on his own account? I thought ACL was open to all of SEA this time around?

its only open to ANZ

[FaZe]

Originally Posted by fray`fenner

He is known to have shared his account with Shinya before, for previous tournaments.

Yeah spook they're on the same team (NA clan) and both good friends.

SenSei isn't on MYi anymore.

He used to be, but the team has since parted ways with him.

ACLPro, we want to work with you on this - even if SenSei isn't on the team, any involvement from any of our players in account sharing is completely unacceptable.

[SLCN.NXZ]

Yeah when iaguz initially brought this up with delete and I, we were certainly a little curious. Out of practice and in tier 3 of seacl suddenly beats delete and kingkong and then forfeits. I had 2 shinya reps from about a month ago and opened them up and found out he used the hotkeys mentioned by iaguz above. These were identical to the hotkeys sensei used against delete. Especially considering that shinya has a very unique style that sensei seemingly was replicating it seemed very suspicious. It is sad to see that there was more evidence of him smurfing.

Now I won't say that sensei and shinya are 100% smurfing but at this point it seems very likely and I feel bad for all the players who were knocked out by him, potentially ruining their chances of qualifying for acl.

[Dox]

SenSei confirmed a few months ago (GGA Cup qualifiers) that he was no longer the owner of the account. The new owner gave me the following details:

MYi.Shinya
Song Chen
sc2classic@gmail.com

[iM MaFia]

Should get the Perth ASG hardies on this one.

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VoxMSI.Rogue:

Anything involving facts is a bit advanced for AsGHardies

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by FaZe

SenSei isn't on MYi anymore.

He used to be, but the team has since parted ways with him.

ACLPro, we want to work with you on this - even if SenSei isn't on the team, any involvement from any of our players in account sharing is completely unacceptable.

Work with them? I'll tell you this. Shinya played in OR2 for their qualifiers without notifying anyone, whilst Sensei played in OR1 for the qualifiers..

[iM SundeR]

ACL shouldn't 'work with anyone', information like this should be given to them and then they decide internally. Don't muddy the waters with anyone else, it was an ACL tournament and they have 100% power and should not be influenced.

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VoxMSI.Rogue:

well said davey

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

update: ty guys, my bad for some reason i thought he was from HK

Originally Posted by fray`fenner

He's American

Your both right, he is from HK but he lives in the states.

Hopefully a good resolution can be found for all this. ;_;

EDIT: I think FaZe was merely offering that MYi will assist in the investigation and they want to offer any support from the team. Such as gathering additional reps, etc. I don't think he was saying he wants to be involved in making a decision, just being co-operative.

Rep comments - go **** yourselves.

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	ROOTPetraeus:	you're*
	nirvAnA:	You're*
	mGGAequitas:	youses is*
	Pandan:	youse *****, i swear aye

[NOM]

Sensei doesn't really play anymore...
I am not surprised that this is happening again, but i was quite anoyed that shinYa wasn't banned on his first attempt

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by NOM

Sensei doesn't really play anymore...
I am not surprised that this is happening again, but i was quite anoyed that shinYa wasn't banned on his first attempt

The 'First attempt' wasn't smurfing. It was pre-global play and shinyA wanted to enter a open to all online tournament. The account sharing from the previous 'smurfing' was stated and a way for shinyA to play in an event he was entitled to play in. This ACL qualifier is completely different, however.

[Ryan]

Good observation

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[TA]LoSt:

cheers

[RuineD]

i don't think shinya should be more highly accountable than sensei here, i mean he's not part of this community at all whilst sensei has been a long-lasting member. as such he should have a lot more accountability/responsibility and rather than shinya being the focus of this investigation shouldnt it be sensei?

edit: to clarify, what does shinya have to gain by playing in an ACL qualifier? The points go to SenSei, isn't it far more likely that SenSei asked shinya to play for him? Again, shinya has nothing to gain

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Snx.FigJig:

sensei 10000year ban from sc2sea tournaments

[ToRSpookToR]

what can you do against shinya? nothing. Sensei however...

[SLCNPezz]

Oh this is why I was asked for replays.

[Baldie]

ACLPro have looked over the evidence. It is conclusive SenSei played Online Round 1 and ShinyA played Online Round 2. Considering SenSei's past history and being his first ACLPro offense the following punishment has been decided.

SenSei will be stripped of both Online Round 1 and Online Round 2 points for Season 1. He will also be banned from participation at Plantronics GAMECOM ACL Brisbane. SenSei will move into Season 2 where he will be able to participate again with 0 points.

ACLPro will monitor SenSei's play for the remainder of 2013 to ensure this doesn't happen again. A specific screening process will be managed during online rounds to ensure SenSei is playing himself. This process will not be disclosed to minimise any chance of manipulation.

There is no direct punishment we can provide ShinyA at this point in time. However this will be noted for future reference.

We appreciate the community for bringing this to our attention.

[iM tgun]

Any tournament that allows Sensei to play after this is, very simply, stupid.

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by iM tgun

Any tournament that allows Sensei to play after this is, very simply, stupid.

if the wider SEA community wants to punish this there is a precedent set. I don't believe the crime is quite that of CHobo. However a precedent has been set.

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by fray`ChadMann

if the wider SEA community wants to punish this there is a precedent set. I don't believe the crime is quite that of CHobo. However a precedent has been set.

You're right, it's not quite the same as Chobos.

It's worse.

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Snx.FigJig:

^

[ROOT`iaguz]

Agree with tgun, banning him from one event is silly. He should get a lifetime ban from all ACL, shit all SC2 tournaments.

Chobo was caught out cheating once. Sensei has a history of cheating multiple times. He's had plenty of chances.

[Baldie]

Ultimately it is VaNzR's decision in regards to SenSei and ACLPro. I will not speak on behalf of him other than to state facts. If you would like to have a conversation with him about the whole situation you are more than welcome to and I don't doubt he would value constructive feedback and/or raised concerns.

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by iM tgun

You're right, it's not quite the same as Chobos.

It's worse.

Personally, I don't agree. CHobo was winning Cash prizes and taking coaching. He also used smurfs more than just a few times.

But thats just my view point on the situation, if you are able to shed more light into the situation and how it is worse than CHobo, please do.

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by fray`ChadMann

Personally, I don't agree. CHobo was winning Cash prizes and taking coaching. He also used smurfs more than just a few times.

But thats just my view point on the situation, if you are able to shed more light into the situation and how it is worse than CHobo, please do.

Sure. Sensei is someone who has cheated before -- in brood war. He was also caught up at the GGA qualifier where Shinya tried to pass himself off as Sensei -- he knew what he was doing, he even tried to give Dox Senseis name and info for the prize.

Now, he's asked someone to smurf for him in an online tournament giving him ranking points to a LAN final -- this is just as bad as Chobo, only it's worse because he has been given a second chance before. He's continued to break the trust of the community -- and the players.

You can keep trying to defend him, or downplay it -- but this guy needs to be removed from the scene, permanently. If he's even allowed to register in tournaments their credibility is immediately in question.

Also, instead of defending the issue for him, can you ask him to come and answer this himself?

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ROOTPetraeus:

tgun so wise

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by iM tgun

You can keep trying to defend him, or downplay it -- but this guy needs to be removed from the scene, permanently. If he's even allowed to register in tournaments their credibility is immediately in question.

Also, instead of defending the issue for him, can you ask him to come and answer this himself?

I'm not at all defending him. I guess my understanding of the GGA cup was that ShinyA was using his account to gain access, I was under the impression SenSei had told him to tell admins and wasn't intentionally smurfing. Perhaps I bought into the story a bit, but that was my understanding.

Secondly, the length, lying and scale to which CHobo was smurfing is much greater (at least it seems as such atm). CHobo was confronted and lied about the issue for weeks. CHobo smurfed in numerous online tournaments, winning cash prizes and earning income from coaching students who believed the lies about his skill. It seems much more malicious and drawn out than 1-2 smurfing in tournament situations. But thats just how I feel about the situation.

As for the Broodwar stuff, that was a long time ago and the suggestion was that SenSei learnt his lesson.. Perhaps not, it seems.

In regards to getting him out to answer for himself, I don't represent SenSei, nor do I tell him what to do. Thats on him, not me. I'm not defending his actions, However the suggestion of life bans is over the top when CHobo, who continues to win trade and perhaps cheat on ladder has served his penalty for smurfing and is able to enter online tournaments now. SenSei's crime, I feel, is not as sever and the suggestion is life ban? - I personally don't agree and am simply offering up my thoughts. It's not at all my call on the situation, nor should my suggestions carry weight, I simply believe a life ban would be unjust - given previous penalties.

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by fray`ChadMann

I'm not at all defending him. I guess my understanding of the GGA cup was that ShinyA was using his account to gain access, I was under the impression SenSei had told him to tell admins and wasn't intentionally smurfing. Perhaps I bought into the story a bit, but that was my understanding.

Secondly, the length, lying and scale to which CHobo was smurfing is much greater (at least it seems as such atm). CHobo was confronted and lied about the issue for weeks. CHobo smurfed in numerous online tournaments, winning cash prizes and earning income from coaching students who believed the lies about his skill. It seems much more malicious and drawn out than 1-2 smurfing in tournament situations. But thats just how I feel about the situation.

As for the Broodwar stuff, that was a long time ago and the suggestion was that SenSei learnt his lesson.. Perhaps not, it seems.

In regards to getting him out to answer for himself, I don't represent SenSei, nor do I tell him what to do. Thats on him, not me. I'm not defending his actions, However the suggestion of life bans is over the top when CHobo, who continues to win trade and perhaps cheat on ladder has served his penalty for smurfing and is able to enter online tournaments now. SenSei's crime, I feel, is not as sever and the suggestion is life ban? - I personally don't agree and am simply offering up my thoughts. It's not at all my call on the situation, nor should my suggestions carry weight, I simply believe a life ban would be unjust - given previous penalties.

It's very stupid to compare this to Chobo - why?

I was calling for a life ban for him when it went down.

It's not unjust. The SC2 community is, very simply put, a bunch of wimps. You get cheated out of money, cheated out of tournaments, especially from a guy who has been given a second chance, and think "oh well, just warn him again - maybe he'll learn this time"? What a joke.

Sensei very well would've went on with this -- however, myself and Iaguz caught it extremely early. Just because we caught him doing this early doesn't mean it's any less malicious than Chobo.

Edit: Anything that isn't permanent is a warning. He's had a warning before.

Quick Comments

	syfChadMann:	I'm not suggesting to simply give him a warning.
	ToRSpartaz:	Valid points tgun.

[ToRSpookToR]

YOU CAN'T TALK TO TA LIKE tHAT

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NvRossi:

one day you'll be funny

[Fenner]

I'm for a life ban, maybe it's a little too harsh but anything less is just silly. It's all just opinion since there are no rulesets but for myself, anyone doing this should be at least banned for a year.

I think some people misunderstand the impact something like this has. It is completely screwing over every player who enters the tournament and has committed a lot of their time to SC2. I, myself, play the game everyday. When this happens all that time I and everyone else in the tournament has committed to practicing the game is getting completely fucked over. That is a hell of a lot of hours people have put into the game to get better legitimately to just have them thrown out of the window by some cheating scum.

Then there are the organizers, sponsors and admins that are putting time and money into running the tournament. SenSei is essentially scamming those people out of their money by using illegitimate methods to increase his chances of getting a prize.

As for comparing to the Chobo incident, I would say that it is very similar. The fact that he hasn't won prize money from doing this and Chobo did is completely irrelevent. Their goals were the similar, SenSei just got caught earlier.

Quick Comments

	TAminimat:	if they are so similar, why not give out similar punishments?
	iM tgun:	Because Chobo's punishments were weak.

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

To be honest, anyone who cheats this community should be given harsher punishments, There is a reason people continue to cheat and lie, because they know that even if they get caught there is no real punishment coming their way. The last few "cheating" scandals have ended in no deterrent for others and at the end of the day the hard working players who practice their asses off are being cheated out of tournament spots and prize money. I see this as a complete slap in the face to everyone who supported him, his own clan, the community, admins, organisers and other players.

I am 100% behind Brad with this, I do not think this is fair on the other players who put in the long hours to do well in a country which has a limited tournaments and prize money (so they are already fighting an uphill battle.) It also calls to question other legitimate players who have had association with him, his clan etc.

[Pandan]

This is such a weak judgement that it's practically encouraging people to cheat, because WORST case they miss one LAN. Every other case they do really well and get reputation and possibly even $$$...

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FvRsolis:

Missing a HOME LAN is a bigger deal <_<

[CHoBo(kice)]

Originally Posted by fray`ChadMann

I'm not at all defending him. I guess my understanding of the GGA cup was that ShinyA was using his account to gain access, I was under the impression SenSei had told him to tell admins and wasn't intentionally smurfing. Perhaps I bought into the story a bit, but that was my understanding.

Secondly, the length, lying and scale to which CHobo was smurfing is much greater (at least it seems as such atm). CHobo was confronted and lied about the issue for weeks. CHobo smurfed in numerous online tournaments, winning cash prizes and earning income from coaching students who believed the lies about his skill. It seems much more malicious and drawn out than 1-2 smurfing in tournament situations. But thats just how I feel about the situation.

As for the Broodwar stuff, that was a long time ago and the suggestion was that SenSei learnt his lesson.. Perhaps not, it seems.

In regards to getting him out to answer for himself, I don't represent SenSei, nor do I tell him what to do. Thats on him, not me. I'm not defending his actions, However the suggestion of life bans is over the top when CHobo, who continues to win trade and perhaps cheat on ladder has served his penalty for smurfing and is able to enter online tournaments now. SenSei's crime, I feel, is not as sever and the suggestion is life ban? - I personally don't agree and am simply offering up my thoughts. It's not at all my call on the situation, nor should my suggestions carry weight, I simply believe a life ban would be unjust - given previous penalties.

I don't remember winning any cash prizes apart from local tournaments. If your referring to Master Cup which seohyeon won playing my account, well he didn't receive money for winning either since he was playing on my account nor was I expecting to see any money from it anyway. I am carrying out my punishment for trying to cover for him and allowing it to happen in the first place.

I did earn money from coaching, and continued to do so after the fact because my students were happy with my ability to coach and convey concepts. Students didn't doubt my skill level, none felt cheated or wanted a refund. A few in particular proceeded to promote leagues appropriately, one even made it to GM.

Your right, I must be cheating in the minimal amount of time which I am playing at the moment. You could easily prove this by checking my stream as I stream every time I play.

Win trading on a server with less than 50 GMs is impossible to keep BP down otherwise. This is widely practiced by many players even ones who are on AU eSports teams. But sure it’s me that’s doing it, so it must mean the end of the world.

Thanks for letting me know I can now play in online tournaments. As far as I was aware I am still banned.

I don’t understand what your aim is to compare his situation to mine. Obviously it’s a case by case basis and the admins/tournament organisers evaluate the facts and determine a suitable punishment. The only reason I see is that you want to bring me up and go over the same old bullshit again as this isn’t the first time you’ve brought it up. I have left it alone in the past few threads thinking you would probably grow up at some point but **** I was wrong. Move on get over it!

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syfChadMann:

Actually, I was wrong - you got 1 year ban from 8th of July. So still banned.

[iM SundeR]

ChoBo, just because your 'students' didn't feel cheated that doesn't mean they weren't. Plenty of people who do the wrong thing are convinced otherwise, that doesn't make it any less wrong. You use this defense repeatedly and it doesn't hold up.

The FACTS are that the skill level you advertised yourself having is nowhere near your actual skill level, so it was untruthful. Unfortunately, you even went so far as to accept a SC2SEA Grandmaster's Manual coaching spot off the back of these lies. They SHOULD feel cheated, but however it's hard to force people to feel a certain way. You should at least feel guilty instead of trying to rationalise it through ignorance.

You being advertised alongside legitimate coaches who actually have the skill advertised inadvertently diverted business from those people. Perhaps if your 'students' had invested their real-life money with people like iaguz or Strafe and compared their knowledge of the game with yours, they would have felt cheated. If I was any of the other Terran coaches I would feel even worse towards you because you took potential money away from them.

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

Chobo, noone gives a shit about you or your 'students' or your stream. You lied, cheated and deceived us and for 90% of the people on here that is enough for you to never have a second chance regardless of what your punishment was.

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iM MaFia:

^ This. lol

[mGGDaedalus]

I don't see how it's not relevant to compare a smurfing incident with your smurfing incident when deciding how to punish it. It's called precedent.

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by CHoBo(kice)

I don’t understand what your aim is to compare his situation to mine. Obviously it’s a case by case basis and the admins/tournament organisers evaluate the facts and determine a suitable punishment. The only reason I see is that you want to bring me up and go over the same old bullshit again as this isn’t the first time you’ve brought it up.

The comparison is because there have been two significant smurfing occasions in top tier competitions in the SEA scene. SenSei's and your own. Why would we not compare SenSei's to yours?....

If your upset that its being brought up continually, then you should have thought about that before you lied and cheated. The fact remains, your case was the first - and you will forever set the precedent for SC2 smurfing in the SEA scene. If that upsets you, then you shouldn't have cheated. Consider it your criminal record. Even after years of good behaviour - your still going to have that record.

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Zealo:

are you saying theajor inident wasn't a major incident?

[CHoBo(kice)]

Originally Posted by iM SundeR

ChoBo, just because your 'students' didn't feel cheated that doesn't mean they weren't. Plenty of people who do the wrong thing are convinced otherwise, that doesn't make it any less wrong. You use this defense repeatedly and it doesn't hold up.

The FACTS are that the skill level you advertised yourself having is nowhere near your actual skill level, so it was untruthful. Unfortunately, you even went so far as to accept a SC2SEA Grandmaster's Manual coaching spot off the back of these lies. They SHOULD feel cheated, but however it's hard to force people to feel a certain way. You should at least feel guilty instead of trying to rationalise it through ignorance.

You being advertised alongside legitimate coaches who actually have the skill advertised inadvertently diverted business from those people. Perhaps if your 'students' had invested their real-life money with people like iaguz or Strafe and compared their knowledge of the game with yours, they would have felt cheated. If I was any of the other Terran coaches I would feel even worse towards you because you took potential money away from them.

I would disagree with you on that, at the time easily could achieve GM with 70% or higher. Proceeded to achieve GM in following seasons and performed highly in local tournaments. More recently however yes I am below the par masters/low-gm level due to not playing often enough.

Quick Comments

	syfChadMann:	Sick brag.
	VoxMSI.Rogue:	No need to be snippy mate.
	Zepph:	Even I could get GM on SEA if I played enough. You only need masters MMR for it.
	NOM:	cool story

[iM SundeR]

Originally Posted by CHoBo(kice)

I would disagree with you on that, at the time easily could achieve GM with 70% or higher. Proceeded to achieve GM in following seasons and performed highly in local tournaments. More recently however yes I am below the par masters/low-gm level due to not playing often enough.

You could never beat iaguz or Strafe (when he played) in a best of 5 without cheats/getting some Korean to play for you, so none of that means anything, don't justify this crap with your bullshit that is 100% unproven.

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Snx.FigJig:

you go gurl

[ToRSpookToR]

Originally Posted by CHoBo(kice)

Win trading on a server with less than 50 GMs is impossible to keep BP down otherwise. This is widely practiced by many players even ones who are on AU eSports teams. But sure it’s me that’s doing it, so it must mean the end of the world.

what mafia did this and who else? its hardy widely done at all..

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	syfSoundwave:	and Mafia did it in like...three games?
	SanG:	I give out wins when people ask;, tigerspr gave me wins when he was lowering his mmr to play offrace

[Sedz]

Yeah this is quite sick. Abusing the trust of the community and ruining the credibility not once, but multiple times.

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	syfChadMann:	reminding me of Chobo...
	ROOTPetraeus:	lol

[aLtShortizz]

I dont get it.

So Sensei asked someone to smurf for him in an Online Qualifier that he would have to pay to enter once qualified and eventually lose?(At the main event)

PS: Just ignore that chobo guy, u guys are giving him too mcuh attention.

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by CHoBo(kice)

I would disagree with you on that, at the time easily could achieve GM with 70% or higher. Proceeded to achieve GM in following seasons and performed highly in local tournaments. More recently however yes I am below the par masters/low-gm level due to not playing often enough.

At that time you would have struggled to hit GM on SEA. If you want to continue to lie and brag, I won't hesitate in removing you right here and now. You can defend yourself if you wish, but you sure as hell can't say that your coaching was sufficient -- people were expecting coaching from someone who was able to compete with the best in the SEA region. You would struggle to take a game off me in a bo100, and I sure as hell am not the best in SEA.

Justify it however you want to yourself, but the fact is you lied, you deceived and you took money which you didn't deserve, nor will you ever deserve it. Even if they are "happy" with your coaching, you should never have been given that opportunity. You shouldn't be allowed back into the scene, and you're damn lucky Nirvana is such a forgiving person.

However, let's stop getting off topic -- even with comparisons to Chobos issue, this is completely centered around Sensei. He has constantly said he rarely plays anymore -- yet, now he appears to play in the ACL OR1 and then get's a friend to play in OR2, smurfing on his account. He's been banned for cheating before and has had NUMEROUS un-publicized issues in SC2. He shouldn't be allowed another chance.

Quick Comments

	SanG:	ur tvz and supporting skills are the best in SEA :3
	TAEdgE:	do you rage much in league

[RuineD]

despite what ACL decides, everyone else is capable of barring sensei from entering their tournaments. we don't need ACL to ban him for life, because we can do it already.

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Pandan:

Vigilante justice is best justice

[Meatex]

Plus from what I understand he is quite low level and if he does try to qualify after ban has lapsed everyone will be watching him like a hawk so the damage done this time will be easily avoided.
He wins a set I have no doubt half the community will be scrutinizing replays and he is likely to be dq-ed at even the slightest suss thing given his history

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aLtShortizz:

He used to be very good actually, just went inactive and became rusty i think.

[prOxi.FighT]

What a scumbag. This guy hacked in brood war as well and I don't even remember him being apologetic about it at all. And to top it all off he has the gayest smug attitude I have ever seen. Wouldn't be surprised if he was a sociopath. Off with his head I say.

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Pandan:

He also kinda looks like a shady drug dealer - should ban him on those grounds alone, imo.

[FvRsolis]

Wow, prOxi.FighT, there is no need to degrade the argument into logical fallacies.

Honestly, I'm not sure what I think or how I feel about this. Really torn because I am a personal friend of Sensei and I do think he is a quality player, and the last thing we need is to get rid of quality players... But nor should we tolerate smurfing and/or cheating. I would propose a ban until LotV and any online SEA competitions at the event's discretion until LotV. A year isn't long enough, but a lifelong ban isn't okay either. We are a community and we should have that at the forefront of our minds when making a decision like this... and what has been proposed is very, very harsh.

IMO the punishment doesn't fit the crime, he didn't claim any money and if he had qualified for ACL Brisbane then there was no way he could get out of smurfing at the event. He has been an active, "well behaved" member of the SEA community for 2 years and yes he has broodwar marks against his name, but this isn't the same incident.

tl;dr

My opinion:

- Ban until LotV from SC2SEA events (which should be standard for any cheating infringements from Hots drop)
- Ban from ACL for X amount of time (at ACL discretion)
- Ban from online events at organiser's discretion (within reason).
- No restriction on entering local LAN events

[Rockstar]

Wow... I left this community a long time ago specifically because blatant cheaters who denied denied denied and then confessed were given a second chance... My own guild of the time didn't boot one of them out. Now I come back here to get a measly piece of information and what do I see? Another failure of this community to stand up for what is right and lay down the justice which is well deserved.

Grow a sack, do the right thing.