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Fairyking · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 7:41 PM

The SEA ladder is an essential part of the SEA Starcraft 2 scene and the community as a whole. Lately, however, the SEA ladder has fallen stagnant due to a lack of competition, especially at the Grandmaster level, with many good players opting to play on foreign servers instead. We propose a fun competition between clans on the SEA ladder, in order to make the ladder experience more exciting: The SEA Clan Ladder Challenge!

+ [How it works:] +

+ [Additional Rules:] +

We highly encourage as many clans as possible to participate in order to foster more friendly competition and make laddering on SEA a more enjoyable experience.

First Scoreboard will be taken on Sunday 20th of January, and each subsequent Sunday thereafter. Scores taken Sunday night midnight AEDT.

+ [Week 1 Results!] +

Confirmed Clans:

+ [Team inVision (iVn)] +

+ [Time of Rising (ToR)] +

+ [Team Carbon Pressure (TCP)] +

+ [Meta-Game Gods (mGG)] +

+ [Ninth Legion (IXL)] +

+ [Phoenix (PX)] +

+ [Terror Australis (TA)] +

+ [Fusion Slugs (FS)] +

Admins:
mGGTitan.863 (SEA)
mGGZeratul.523 (SEA)

Quick Comments

	mGGNemesis:	:D
	mGGPrometheus:	If any clan I haven't included would like their logo added to the pic, PM me on sc2sea and I'll be happy to add it

SLCN.Wally · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 7:46 PM

Wow, really clever way to get people competing on sea again. I hope a lot of clans join, should be a lot of fun

SLCN.NXZ · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 7:50 PM

In my opinion you need to make everyone want to play SEA, you need the tiop players back so that means you need the queue times lowered which means everyone else needs to be playing. This will make everyone else play but you need a monetary award to give the final shove to the pros I think. Doesn;t have to be something huge, maybe just something for the MVP.

Edit: I see, sounds like a good idea but even just having it for the ultimate MVP might not be enough.

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Fairyking:

There will be money prize for Ladder Hero and there will be sc2sea achievements

KeyboardWarrior · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 7:51 PM

Hey, nice incentive to maintain GM status, as well as recognizing best players.

Glazed · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 7:56 PM

This is awesome. Great way to make the SEA ladder more competitive, as GM is really easy to get on this server due to the low amount of people playing on it.

mGGDrGooSe · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 8:01 PM

This is gonna be a fantastic way to make sure that weedamins doesnt get GM#1!

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mGGNemesis:

lol

ToRTinyTeddy · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 8:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mGGDrGooSe

This is gonna be a fantastic way to make sure that weedamins doesnt get GM#1!

weedamins is amazing! i hope he gets rank 1 so he hopefully will go back to kr or na!

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Fairyking:

That won't happen while Titan and I are around. We already stream snipe him :P

breadfan · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 8:08 PM

This is a sick idea and I'm excited to see how it goes.

Brb, hitting GM

**nGenLight** · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 8:09 PM

I used to still play a game or two on SEA when I'm tired of getting my ass whooped on Korea. Then I met the infamous WhiteLuxury, lost and got called horrible names. I have since not laddered on SEA.

Quick Comments

	Fairyking:	I've beaten him quite a lot we are aware he will be a main problem but hopefully we can still improve as a community.
	mGGNemesis:	:(
	mGGPrometheus:	if people don't feed trolls, they starve to death
	Seffy:	When there's a will, there's a way. And you will beat him and you will find a way to.

FSBenAD · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 8:09 PM

Love it guys! I hope it pays off! Are you open to trialling it for the rest of this season, since we only have a few weeks left, just to iron out the kinks?

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Fairyking:

We have already trialed with made up clans of players from GMs and it seems to work quite effeciently .

x5.RunaMoK · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 8:13 PM

why isnt IXL on that? hmmmm hmm

ProAnnn · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 8:16 PM

If whiteluxury get banned, i'll consider

Quick Comments

	Fairyking:	Whiteluxary is only but 1 player. Plus he is bad.
	FLuX:	You can't ban him. He has too many accounts. However, cut off the head and the body will follow............>.>

Fairyking · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 8:18 PM

@IXLRunaMoK We only did house clans for the most part because they were the only logos we had, it is hard to add every logo for every clan but if you send Titan a message I'm sure he will gladly add it in.

x5.RunaMoK · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 8:24 PM

we've been trying for weeks to become a house clan but no one responds..

Quick Comments

	mGGDrGooSe:	It takes some patience. Nirv is a very very busy man. it will come! :D
	Fairyking:	Well no offense meant but that is not our problem we are not mods of sc2sea. but we will happily include your logo.
	mGGHalt:	ETL has had the same problem, we have been trying for a few months

**nGenLight** · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 8:42 PM

SecretJieun + Zeratul: It isn't about beating him, I could care less about beating him or him beating me. Just can't bring myself to knowingly search into a hacker who has multiple accounts in GM, stuffing up any real integrity of the SEA server.

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Fairyking:

How about instead of being negative focus on the positive here. More people play slimer chance of hitting.

mGGPrometheus · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 8:51 PM

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Originally Posted by iM Light

SecretJieun + Zeratul: It isn't about beating him, I could care less about beating him or him beating me. Just can't bring myself to knowingly search into a hacker who has multiple accounts in GM, stuffing up any real integrity of the SEA server.

This is part of the reason why we started this initiative. People like whiteluxury are not the root of the problem but a byproduct. He's only a problem at the moment because not many people play on SEA. If more people played on SEA we would be much less likely to queue against him and nobody would really care too much about him. Hackers exist on every server but since there is more competition on the other servers it doesn't matter.

Btw can people please stop acknowledging Whiteluxury, it's just feeding the troll.

Stallion · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 9:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iM Light

SecretJieun + Zeratul: It isn't about beating him, I could care less about beating him or him beating me. Just can't bring myself to knowingly search into a hacker who has multiple accounts in GM, stuffing up any real integrity of the SEA server.

one of his other accounts is onsDotaKing and yea it just makes sea server saddening hes a very sad wee boy I feel

**mGGNemesis** · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 9:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iM Light

SecretJieun + Zeratul: It isn't about beating him, I could care less about beating him or him beating me. Just can't bring myself to knowingly search into a hacker who has multiple accounts in GM, stuffing up any real integrity of the SEA server.

And give him the satisfaction of knowing that he had 'won'? What about all the other players on SEA? There are many others who try their best and earned their way legitly into masters or gm.

We know him as he is : hacker, bm troll etc. When he finds that he needs more satisfaction, he joins clan channels and trolls and picks on other players. Why should we let him dictate how we feel about a server? This one person has serious issues. And are we to say for certain that all other servers, there are no hackers just because we dun know who they are.

Sorry if I do come across as being harsh or if I did word it incorrectly. But I'm a little annoyed about how a minority can dictate how the majority should feel or behave. Laddering to move up and down in this initiative should promote more healthy competition.

If an unworthy person such as whiteluxury could stop you from laddering on SEA, then perhaps you have forgotten the many others who care about this server.

Sorry if I offended in anyway. And yes I'm only plat but I'm not afraid to say what I just said.

Quick Comments

	Fairyking:	Marry me?
	Glazed:	^ dat comment

**nGenLight** · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by mGGNemesis

And give him the satisfaction of knowing that he had 'won'? What about all the other players on SEA? There are many others who try their best and earned their way legitly into masters or gm.

We know him as he is : hacker, bm troll etc. When he finds that he needs more satisfaction, he joins clan channels and trolls and picks on other players. Why should we let him dictate how we feel about a server? This one person has serious issues. And are we to say for certain that all other servers, there are no hackers just because we dun know who they are.

Sorry if I do come across as being harsh or if I did word it incorrectly. But I'm a little annoyed about how a minority can dictate how the majority should feel or behave. Laddering to move up and down in this initiative should promote more healthy competition.

If an unworthy person such as whiteluxury could stop you from laddering on SEA, then perhaps you have forgotten the many others who care about this server.

Sorry if I offended in anyway. And yes I'm only plat but I'm not afraid to say what I just said.

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mGGZeratul:
How about instead of being negative focus on the positive here. More people play slimer chance of hitting.

I'm not trying to be negative, I'm just pointing out one of the biggest issue that makes me and others like myself not want to play on SEA. You guys have started a good initiative, but you didn't even address the issue that I have brought up. Instead you are have a go at me being negative. When you start something cool like this you need to be prepared to handle feedback objectively :|. You can't go so defensive as soon as someone raises a legit concern!

I don't have that much time, and as much as I want to partake in this (because I really love the idea and initiative you guys are taking, I always enjoyed playing a few games on SEA). I can't help but feel like much of my time will be wasted running into this loser and ruin my experience, and time that I don't have much of, and the opportunity cost of vsing legitimate opponents on other servers.

It isn't about giving up and letting the hacker "feel like he already won". And it's not because I don't care about others, it ain't any of that. It's simply because I don't have time to go into no battle with no pathetic hacker. I'm simply not convinced that laddering on SEA will be an experience worthy of my limited time due to the issue I've brought up. So convince me(and others) - Address the issue and bring forth a plan, discussion or solution, instead of that hostile attitude(I'm speaking to you, Zeratul). Most top players of SEA will concur with my concerns, let's all work together, shall we?

Your league has nothing to do with this, Nemesis. Your opinions don't mean less just because your in a lower league, that is silly. I've always been a fan of how tightly you keep that mGG channel active, love the initiative, once again. I agree with everything that you said in you quote, you've just misunderstood me/my position. I'm on your side, I really want to go ahead with this and rep IM/TA proud aswell as reduce search times on SEA!

I am no E-Sport ambassador, I am just a player with his own limited time and concerns.

Ray

Quick Comments

	ToRDolo:	(L)
	Fairyking:	I'
	mGGNemesis:	:)
	Seffy:	<3

ToRGreenArchon · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 8:47 PM

This is an extremely great idea, hopefully it all goes well and we can see some interesting competition

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Fairyking:

<3

**syfChadMann** · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 8:58 PM

My issue is Win Trading, sniping and hacking.

If these issues are monitored and addressed - then this should be alot of fun

gogo TA..

**mGGNemesis** · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 9:12 PM

"Unable to vanquish Merlin, Mab mocks him and tells him that he and his human followers can't destroy her, but Merlin knows that there are few people that believe in the Old Ways. He turns his back on her telling her that everyone will forget her, and in forgetting, she will no longer exist. Everyone leaves, ignoring Mab's furious calls, and soon, she fades away into nothing, just the way she had feared from the beginning." - Merlin (1998)

Quick Comments

	SLCN.Wally:	im so confused, 100% sure that titan wrote this
	mGGDrGooSe:	yeah he posted it in skype chat for us as well

Seffy · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 9:20 PM

I don't intend to sound so mean or whatever and this will probably be TL;DR but..

Seriously, being negative won't get any of us anywhere. I'm not a M or GM (let alone a P/D), but I know that I won't be able to even have a chance of getting higher than Gold at all if I'm being negative and letting myself down. I may never be able to reach a masters level, but I won't beat myself up over it and will keep playing and doing my best, no matter what happens.

This tournament that Zeratul and Titan are hosting has an aim to throw all the negative away from this community, get people to play more and to get this community even closer together. If we, as a community work together, we can cast away those that ruin it.

He who's name shall not be mentioned is only one person. Letting ONE person dispirit you will have an effect on the others, it chains on. And that's what that one person will want to happen because well let's face it, he'd ruin the community single-handedly. Personally, I don't want that to happen and I'm sure you all would not want that to happen.

So yeah, stay positive. Don't let one person ruin your career in this game that you have gone so far into. You've done all this hard work, keep going. Don't stop. The only way you can go is UP. And finally, don't let the community down. We love seeing games on stream, we love seeing the pros play their best against each other, giving us such great entertainment and inspire us into getting better and better! We thank you for that. And we wish you guys will keep getting better and better because of all the effort you put through!

But everyone here would be upset if people are dispirited because of this... abomination that's come up in our dear SEA server. He's just one person, we're a freaking army, we got this!

If there is a way that we can get closer together as a community, this tournament is definitely taking the right step in my opinion. Huge props to Zeratul and Titan for making the effort and taking up the challenge to achieve this and I wish them the best in their endeavour.

Flamga · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 9:23 PM

No he really is that bad, I have ahd him post personal details to my SC2 account whilst ingame, harassing my family members and girlfriend. So yea its pretty bad

SLCN.Wally · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 9:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FlashFlamga

No he really is that bad, I have ahd him post personal details to my SC2 account whilst ingame, harassing my family members and girlfriend. So yea its pretty bad

The fact that this can happen, and he is still not banned. Utterly confuses me

ProAnnn · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 9:25 PM

Forget to mention another reason. I get at least 5 minutes queue time before i get a game. This means i play at least 2-3 lesser games compared to other servers

Quick Comments

	ROOTPetraeus:	thats the point of this...
	Fairyking:	^

FaMe · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 9:41 PM

Really neat idea, guys. BoL

mGGDrGooSe · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 9:43 PM

re: whiteluxury, at the very least we can get that account banned. I know it hasnt happened yet, but maybe thats because we are being too nice? I say everyone needs to start emailing Blizz ANZ, with links to the evidence, and keep doing so until they respond satisfactorily. And flamga, real life threats are treated under special cyber bullying laws, get that shit to the police and to Blizz ASAP. I guarentee once the cops become involved, the shit will hit the fan. And if it doesn't, get onto a current affair. Those vipers will latch on to any signs of controversy. We've been pretty lenient on whiteluxury up to now. There is no sense whingeing and complaining about someone who is damaging our community. Pull out the friggin pitch forks and get this bitch taken care of. And when he comes back with another name, we'll take care of him again, and again and again, until the bastard realises that when we go to war, we aint messing around.
This is OUR server, not his. It's about time the little girl learnt what it is to play with big boys.

Quick Comments

	Fairyking:	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EaY3Kk5qGM
	Seffy:	That link is perfect.
	Malice:	A current affair creates more drama than reddit
	syfSoundwave:	lmfao Zeratul
	TADivinity:	If it went to Current Affair it would make esports look like "Just kids playing video games".

Stallion · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 9:59 PM

having read the op whats with the 3 gms or no points? some people don't ladder sea so kinda doesn't make sense to me

mGGPrometheus · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by xGKingStallion

having read the op whats with the 3 gms or no points? some people don't ladder sea so kinda doesn't make sense to me

That's the point, we want people to ladder more on SEA. If a clan isn't prepared to actually ladder enough on SEA then I don't see how they deserve to win the ladder challenge. Also, we can't really get a good average unless we have more people. We don't want a one man clan winning the whole thing.

Stallion · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mGGTitan

That's the point, we want people to ladder more on SEA. If a clan isn't prepared to actually ladder enough on SEA then I don't see how they deserve to win the ladder challenge. Also, we can't really get a good average unless we have more people. We don't want a one man clan winning the whole thing.

get rid of whiteluxary/onsDotaking and whatever his other ids are and it might be worth playing a few games a week to keep gm, atm though its kinda pointless especially with hots coming up SEA isn't worth the time for when someone plays, also the top players don't really want to vs each other 2 million times as they want to hide their builds from each other

Quick Comments

	Fairyking:	That's your opinion.
	ROOTPetraeus:	and hes allowed to have it.. don't get mad because this might have faults.
	ROCCAT_Savior:	Bar the hots part, thats the opinion of every high level sea player....
	nirvAnA:	silly post stally!

FSBenAD · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 6:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mGGTitan

That's the point, we want people to ladder more on SEA. If a clan isn't prepared to actually ladder enough on SEA then I don't see how they deserve to win the ladder challenge. Also, we can't really get a good average unless we have more people. We don't want a one man clan winning the whole thing.

I understand the point above, but for a clan like mine which is still young in the scheme of things and has grown all its GM from lower levels, 3 GMs is a bit requirement to take part... I definitey dont want an advantage from having only one player in GM, but I'd want that to count for something...

We have been discussing this in the slugs and it did get people keen to ladder, but considering we are not a top heavy team, they are already worried we wont even be able to take part. I dont mind that we are disadvantaged because we have less GM players, I just hope we can take part

Quick Comments

	Fairyking:	Amount of players doesn't disadvantage because we do it by the clan average.
	Asrathiel:	Zera, have a look at FS latest update. Think they only have 2 GMs total at the moment

mGGPrometheus · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 10:38 PM

If top players don't think it's worth their time that's totally fine. I know a lot of the clans are pretty active on the SEA ladder. We initially thought of this as being a clan-only thing and I think clan-level players would probably benefit the most from it. Of course we'd love it if any teams wanted to participate.

**Baldie** · Wed, 5th-Dec-2012, 10:39 PM

Person buys SC2 from SEA -> Ladders and goes through leagues -> Reaches Masters and works towards making GM to gain access to said monthly challenges -> Continues to use said challenges as a structure to keep improving while gaining benefits in the process -> Gets to point where the incentive to play locally does not outweigh the inevitable skill benefits in practicing in a more senior community -> ladders elsewhere.

Process repeats.

I am open to anything, however I do have a concern around the well known SEA people coming back to play. A few might but simply put the opportunity cost lost in playing these challenges for a chance at some money vs playing in a higher skill region to improve overall is likely not worth it. Players would rather spend time practicing in a higher skill market to gain access to better tournaments and better money than practice in an area where they have a chance at winning a little bit of money but don't improve a lot (like anything once you are at the highest peak skill wise of an area you won't improve at nearly the same rate as you would if you increased the skill cap - aka look into other regions)

This system however I do feel has a lot of potential as a "grass-roots" system promoting play throughout the leagues while people improve to a level where they can make their mark in other regions.

I have no doubt it would make a difference - how much time will tell but regardless of outcome it is great to see people looking at ways to improve and shift a culture than being resigned to the way it is.

Quick Comments

mGGNemesis:

:)

Zealo · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 1:14 AM

suggestion: have clans/teams register all their players, but their score each week is the average of their top 3 for that particular week. larger lineups won't be dragged down by weaker players or people who don't ladder that particular week

syntox · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 5:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zealo

suggestion: have clans/teams register all their players, but their score each week is the average of their top 3 for that particular week. larger lineups won't be dragged down by weaker players or people who don't ladder that particular week

Doesn't that go against the purpose of this league? They're trying to get as many people to ladder on SEA as possible, not just 3 top players from each clan
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mGGDrGooSe · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 6:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zealo

suggestion: have clans/teams register all their players, but their score each week is the average of their top 3 for that particular week. larger lineups won't be dragged down by weaker players or people who don't ladder that particular week

Maybe we can just have two scores then, an overall average and a top 3 average?

Edit: actually thinking about it, that would only encourage the top 3 people to play, not the whole clan, therefore defeats the purpose.

Zealo · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mGGDrGooSe

actually thinking about it, that would only encourage the top 3 people to play, not the whole clan, therefore defeats the purpose.

when we do club vs club fishing competitions we use this system (they actually make the club score average of top x, where x is number of people in the club with least people participating, same principle). it gives the club with more participants an advantage (anyone who has a bad day/unlucky day doesn't have their score used) but not an 'unfair' advantage.

i suggest it because under 'average of all GMs', anyone who is not the highest ranked player in their clan (or at least above the clan average) is actually dragging the clan score down, and would best serve their clan in this competition by dropping out of GM (or not participating if it's fishing).

average of top 3 (i pick that as a sort of 'minimum', make it 5 or 10 same principle), or someone like light or tgun could declare themselves a clan for this comp and win top 'clan' by themselves), they don't drag their clan down by laddering. maybe one week (or more) they break into the top 3 of their clan, maybe they don't. but the clan benefits more from them trying than it does from them dropping out of GM.

obviuosly up to you if you're running it. just a suggestion.

Quick Comments

Asrathiel:

I like that idea :)

**nirvAnA** · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 4:29 AM

I love the initiative behind this and the idea is really clever! Banner looks sick too.

You forgot to add in the OP the achievement thing from SC2SEA for all the members in the roster of the winning clan!

**nirvAnA** · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 5:37 AM

Probably needs some tweaking, the problem I see is 1-2 top players from each clan can just play and maintain a high score for the clan every week and win. Should add a bonus or something for each active player in the clan that will encourage more clan mates to ladder. IDK will be tricky to fix a good balance.

LordByrnsy · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 5:51 AM

I think its a good idea =) im looking forward to seeing if it works

Fairyking · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 6:31 AM

@Light Fair enough you make some valid points but first I will state I was not having a go at you. Secondly we were always fully aware of the problems that would occur with him but we'd rather not state it because that is what he wants is recognition. I thank you for your kinds words I'm aware I can come off as quite abrasive at times and I apologize for that. Also Titan and I have foreseen many problems we are fully aware it may not work but if I might quote Bruce Lee: "A goal is not always meant to be reached, it often serves simply as something to aim at."

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mGGDrGooSe:

haha baller response man. You've grown so much as a person since I first met you.

Fairyking · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 6:43 AM

I would just like to thank everyone for their comments constructive or otherwise and we appreciate all criticism. Also a big thanks to everyone who is planning to join and or support in any way they can, be it even a simple "Nice idea bol"

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Nihc:

Nice idea bol!

mGGDrGooSe · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 9:09 AM

For clans with only a small number of GMs, it may be possible to form an alliance until you get more numbers?

mGGPrometheus · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mGGDrGooSe

For clans with only a small number of GMs, it may be possible to form an alliance until you get more numbers?

That's a great suggestion. Yep, we're thinking of allowing small clans to make alliances for the CLC and will update the main post soon.

NDG.Stitch · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 9:15 AM

Eve's logo is not there

This is Clanism.

**mGGNemesis** · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 9:17 AM

Would including their top masters players (for the clans with smaller number of GMs) possibly help? Maybe max 2?

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Fairyking:

Would take so much more effort to do that.

mGGDrGooSe · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 9:25 AM

For anyone who wants their clans icon in the banner, place a link to an imgur copy of it, and we will work to get that done by the time things start in january. I say this, although Titan is the one that needs to confirm seeing as it's his banner :P

UHF · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 10:17 AM

Not sure if it's been clarified, but you keep mentioning clan - do you mean clans or teams or both? Can people pick and choose if they are in both a team and clan?

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Fairyking:

Both is fine for the first season but players must choose between a clan or team.

Benji · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 10:23 AM

Without any specific prizes, I am not going to ask my players to spend their time playing games on a vastly inferior server. Even if every SEA player becomes active on the SEA ladder, Korea will still be better for training (as will NA).

The SEA scene does not need an active ladder to be successful, we need consistent events and community interaction and participation. By teams asking their players to play on SEA, you are limiting their potential skill level making it harder for them to compete worldwide. Any time spent on SEA can be spent on Korea.

Quick Comments

	mushistar:	+1 i love you benji
	Fairyking:	We mostly want players who don't have access to korea. Also we want the master players and clan GMs to work harder.
	Flamga:	Agreed with this

Fairyking · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 10:29 AM

@Benji as I said in the post this is mainly for clans, we allow teams as well if they want to play. Also the prize is quite specific, money and achievements the amount of money has yet to be determined though. The SEA scene I feel does need an active ladder for those who enjoy laddering on SEA and are in SEA clans who almost all hang on SEA. We don't expect pro teams to join we were merely being polite in saying they could. Most who will join this won't have access to Korea. Most of these things have already been stated.

Benji · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mGGZeratul

@Benji as I said in the post this is mainly for clans, we allow teams as well if they want to play. Also the prize is quite specific, money and achievements the amount of money has yet to be determined though. The SEA scene I feel does need an active ladder for those who enjoy laddering on SEA and are in SEA clans who almost all hang on SEA. We don't expect pro teams to join we were merely being polite in saying they could.

Well then I hope any clans my team are associated with don't ask my players to be active. And no, SEA ladder does not need to be active, if it is to encourage players without Korea access... wouldn't they play on SEA anyway? If it is to encourage activity, HOTS will solve that issue. If you offer a cash prize, someone like Mafia will jump in and hold that rank 1 slot for a few months, and you're essentially paying players to train in non ideal circumstances.

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Fairyking:

I really don't think you're getting the point of all this at all.

mGGPrometheus · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by xGKingBenji

Well then I hope any clans my team are associated with don't ask my players to be active. And no, SEA ladder does not need to be active, if it is to encourage players without Korea access... wouldn't they play on SEA anyway? If it is to encourage activity, HOTS will solve that issue. If you offer a cash prize, someone like Mafia will jump in and hold that rank 1 slot for a few months, and you're essentially paying players to train in non ideal circumstances.

Well there is always a work-around for this. If pros who are part of clans don't want to be a part of this, they can always just not get into Grandmaster on SEA. We're only tallying Grandmaster points.

**iM tgun** · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 1:29 PM

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Originally Posted by xGKingBenji

Well then I hope any clans my team are associated with don't ask my players to be active. And no, SEA ladder does not need to be active, if it is to encourage players without Korea access... wouldn't they play on SEA anyway? If it is to encourage activity, HOTS will solve that issue. If you offer a cash prize, someone like Mafia will jump in and hold that rank 1 slot for a few months, and you're essentially paying players to train in non ideal circumstances.

It's not exactly hard to play 5 games a week on a server to maintain your rank on the SEA ladder.. that, or co-ordinate with other players to play practice games, just on the SEA ladder. It's much less of an issue than you're making it out to be.

For example, when I used to ladder on SEA to keep my GM spot, I would ask anyone on my friends list to come play a bo5 on ladder. Are you saying that playing against mafia is bad practice? Or Iaguz? Or Glade? Or Ninja?

All it takes is a slight amount of co-ordination to participate in, what is going to be, a nice community-driven event.

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Stallion · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 4:48 PM

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Originally Posted by iM tgun

It's not exactly hard to play 5 games a week on a server to maintain your rank on the SEA ladder.. that, or co-ordinate with other players to play practice games, just on the SEA ladder. It's much less of an issue than you're making it out to be.

For example, when I used to ladder on SEA to keep my GM spot, I would ask anyone on my friends list to come play a bo5 on ladder. Are you saying that playing against mafia is bad practice? Or Iaguz? Or Glade? Or Ninja?

All it takes is a slight amount of co-ordination to participate in, what is going to be, a nice community-driven event.

this is actually the smartest post I've seen in this thread, I'd do this, could also do like a clan/team practice by doing this at same time. I blame Illness for my slowness. Tgun wins thread peace out GG WP

Satu · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mGGZeratul

@Benji as I said in the post this is mainly for clans, we allow teams as well if they want to play. Also the prize is quite specific, money and achievements the amount of money has yet to be determined though. The SEA scene I feel does need an active ladder for those who enjoy laddering on SEA and are in SEA clans who almost all hang on SEA. We don't expect pro teams to join we were merely being polite in saying they could. Most who will join this won't have access to Korea. Most of these things have already been stated.

I don't think that its your problem to fix, nor is Benji complaining. His point is that in the current form of the SEA server, in comparison to the other servers, it isn't worthwhile playing on SEA for higher level players. I believe Benji is correct here, Light was saying something very similar earlier in this thread.

However, this is a brilliant idea to motivate improving SEA players to improve even more. Which ultimately, is what SEA needs more of to be a more successful scene overall.

Edit: On a side note, Team SPR is a practically inactive team. Surprised me to see SPR in the banner. Anyone that I can think of that is still an active SPR member doesn't play SEA unless they are screwing around or not practicing at the time, myself included.

Edit2: I didn't say you said it was incorrect. I was posting to echo what others have said, basically.

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Fairyking:

I never said that was incorrect........

Fairyking · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 10:33 AM

I would also like to add if you have questions or concerns we'd much prefer you PMing us. This is for the main purpose for fun, entertainment and to bring more competition to the ladder. <-- Please understand that.

Fairyking · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 10:44 AM

If you don't want to participate that is fine with me, many clans like this idea many players like this idea so those people will participate. Also you kind of answered yourself " SEA ladder does not need to be active, if it is to encourage players without Korea access... wouldn't they play on SEA anyway?" That is the point of this fun and competition for those players who are on SEA.

SLCN.NXZ · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 10:49 AM

Also a lot of players who aren't the best GMs on SEA play on NA just due to queue times. If the queue times were the same they would just play SEA because SEA vs NA for them is the same in skill level. This will encourage all of those players to play, which will then by extension keep them playing here as there is no reason not to be, for them. Lastly, at Benji if the queue times can be lessened on SEA then the occasional ladder here for your top player won't be a big deal. It would be the same as it used to be with you're random pro with a 30-2 record at the top of gm because they felt like playing after a tournament or something.

SLCN.Kez · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 11:19 AM

I think its a good idea and cannot possible harm the scene, if pros dont wanna play in it then they dont have to

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Fairyking · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 12:33 PM

Okay thanks for the heads up Satu about SPR and thank you for your kind words. I understood Benjis point but this is not for those higher level players who go to other servers this is for the lower levels for them to improve/havefun/compete to get to those higher levels. But as I said before it's not like we will stop them from joining if they want to seeing as this is ultimately for fun ^_^ .

syfChase · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 3:45 PM

I think that its a great idea not only for the clans but for the SEA community as a whole

Making the ladder more active, especially in a friendly and competitive way such as Zeratul and Titan are suggesting will without a doubt be beneficial to the server as well as those who use it for their primary area of practice or playing. Not everyone has access to the Korean server and some struggle with ping and latency on NA. It also gives players more goals and incentive apart from mass laddering for position on the ladder. Representing their clan more actively in their laddering will also give players a sense of pride in their play. It's also a good way for a clan to prove themselves apart from repetitive clan wars. I can see where Light and Benji are coming from, playing on different servers as professionals and very high level practice would be a better option for them, but this Ladder Challenge seems more suited to more casual based clans that generally play for fun.

There's obviously going to be some concerns such as those stated before, but with a proposal as big as this there will always be small things that will need to be addressed. Most of them shouldn't be too much of a worry given some thought and flexibility on the matter. There's no doubt that some will still effect the Challenge, especially the presence of hackers on the server, but I'm sure there is a way to get around this at the least.

A lot of time and organisation has been put into the idea, I like the direction it's looking to lead in, although this is only my opinion

Best of luck to your idea guys

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CHASUUUUU <3

LaughingMan · Thu, 6th-Dec-2012, 6:51 PM

I'm okay with this.

I'm trying to get rank 1 at the end of the season so why not. ^^

**nirvAnA** · Fri, 7th-Dec-2012, 5:35 PM

You could add this to the OP. Thanks to TheGent for coming up with such a cool looking achievement.

"Thy Kingdom Come"
Gods of the Ladder in mGG's clan ladder contest!

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**rezyn8** · Fri, 7th-Dec-2012, 5:41 PM

Awesome idea - any thought on encouraging lower leagues to play more rather than just concentrating on the M/GM leagues?

mGGPrometheus · Fri, 7th-Dec-2012, 8:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rezyn8

Awesome idea - any thought on encouraging lower leagues to play more rather than just concentrating on the M/GM leagues?

I can only hope this encourages lower leagues to get promoted so they can represent their clan. We would have liked to implement something similar for other leagues but it would be incredibly hard to admin. I think for lower leagues the ladder is more active anyway so we should be focusing on tournaments and clan wars to get them involved in the competitive scene more.

mGGDrGooSe · Sun, 6th-Jan-2013, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rezyn8

Awesome idea - any thought on encouraging lower leagues to play more rather than just concentrating on the M/GM leagues?

Always happy to help get all of sea more active. But the main thing with doing

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was that teh true

s were basically not playing at all. Lower leagues are sill pretty populated by comparison. I think if this goes well in it's first season, we might look at extending it to include other leagues.

ToRJoko · Sat, 8th-Dec-2012, 7:27 AM

Gonna be fun!

Fairyking · Wed, 12th-Dec-2012, 9:35 PM

http://www.sc2sea.com/blogs/showentry.php?e=879

mGGPrometheus · Fri, 21st-Dec-2012, 1:38 PM

As it's nearing the end of the season, could interested clans please contact me or Zeratul with a list of their M/GM players. Thanks!

Also the OP has been updated.

TtSYF.tRoy · Sun, 23rd-Dec-2012, 1:53 PM

pX are now signed up

Going to be heaps of fun, Zeratul our tag is pX not

just letting you know.

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ipX

TCPLemminks · Tue, 25th-Dec-2012, 8:53 PM

TCP Signing Up!

wTJack.849

wuxian.328

Serenity.461

Wuffle.441

TCPLemminks.185

PacificXenos.565

TCPTheGoTo.117

TragicHero.742

LtNDoMiNaToR.464

Eros.779

Chase.380

TCPstormz.378

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ThatGuyDoMo · Sat, 29th-Dec-2012, 7:28 PM

iVn Signing Up!

Chappo

Xormentor

NovaX

ForbZ

More people will probably be added later. Hope that is enough for now.

TtSYF.tRoy · Sun, 30th-Dec-2012, 3:42 PM

Can pX please have Eros removed and added to TCP line up?
Thanks

TAriiChard · Sun, 30th-Dec-2012, 9:34 PM

TA signing up

TAriiChard

TALoSt

TAKez

TADivinity

TACosmic

TAPinder

TASenSei

TAChampi

TArga

TAVoices

TASalvation

TABigBird

TARossi

TAdeth

TAMafia

TALight

TAFenner

TAEdgE

TADippa

TAFourby

TAyang

TASunder

TANoodle

TABiggun

TASlowhands

TASivvon

TABlitz

TAZain

TAMinimat

Any names that I've missed out please comment below. Thanks.

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FSBenAD · Mon, 31st-Dec-2012, 6:34 AM

Is there any clan which wants to team up with us?

If not we wont be able to take part...

Just in case, our list of Masters and GM atm are:

Qwerty

Captain

DronesInJail

I suspect we may have a few more masters soon, but thats it atm .

FSBenAD · Fri, 11th-Jan-2013, 2:31 PM

Hey guys just wanted to make sure our list is updated...

Captain

Apathetic

Uroburos

Qwerty

We should get points right

TCPLemminks · Thu, 3rd-Jan-2013, 8:17 PM

Is this starting this season (aka in 2 weeks?)

Also please remove

PacificXenos from TCP roster

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Fairyking:

Yes and done ^_^

Spud · Sun, 6th-Jan-2013, 6:48 PM

WhiteLuxury's and and another guy are hacking between these accounts.
WhiteLuxury
OnsDotaKing
Relic
IIIIIIIIIII
IIIIIIIII
(2 protoss barcode accounts)

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Fairyking:

This is not the place to post that.

**ToRSpartaz** · Sun, 6th-Jan-2013, 7:00 PM

ToR Clan Team:

ToR.Pox

ToR.DanO

ToR.XzaM

ToR.Pezz

ToR.Spook

ToR.ZooM

ToR.Dolo

ToR.Joko

ToR.Soul

ToR.Chobosniper

ToR.Schnitzel

ToR.NeKo

ToR.Peek

ToR.Fur

ToR.Tazerenix

ToR.ParO

ToR.RawFish

ToR.Petrify

ToR.Redemption
(Depending on Dolo)

ToR.Kreamy

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Spud · Sun, 6th-Jan-2013, 7:10 PM

There is 2 posts on the first page about it.
Dont give me that shit that they are old posts

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Fairyking:

Those posts were not even wanted on this and the issue is over and gone. just drop it please.