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**ACL Beware** · Mon, 27th-Aug-2012, 5:42 PM

Finals Information

Date: Friday, 5th October, Sydney
"Remember that it's for two days starting on Friday 5th October in Sydney and that you need to organize your own travel and accommodation."

Players:

fray`ninja
fray`Petraeus
x5.Frustration
xGKing.Myuu
Nv.mOOnGLaDe
iM.Mafia
iM.tgun
MF.iaguz
Nv.Rossi
GG.Azz
fray`HuT
IXL.syntox
Nv.JazBas
TA.Spider
cR.neko
x5.Bard

Brackets:
Seedings were based on results from the qualifiers #1 and #2. Some players chose to forfeit their remaining matches (for various reasons) and their seeding. Players that chose this option were seeded on ACL Career Points.

http://challonge.com/ebexposc2

Map Pool:
As per the qualifiers, the map pool is:

WCS Daybreak
WCS Ohana
WCS Cloud Kingdom
WCS Metropolis
WCS Antiga Shipyard
WCS Shakuras Plateau
WCS Entombed Valley

We will be using the same veto system.

Prizes:
The only 100% confirmed prize is that GAMECOM Australia are sending the winner to France for ESWC.
verified here: http://www.eswc.com/en/2012/game/sc2 and here: http://www.eswc.com/en/2012/qualifying/28
Further details on prizes will be updated as soon as available from EB Expo.

Contact:
Norksman lincoz@gmail.com

Free Tickets:
If your team manager or organisation rep would like access to the E-Sports area without having to buy a ticket email d.cauci@aclpro.com.au.

Older Information:

+ [Qualifier Information] +

**syfChadMann** · Mon, 27th-Aug-2012, 5:54 PM

my only concern - this is a single qualifier - where top 16 get thru.. and its Bo3 double elim..
... one qualifier.
So bracket seeding will be done based on career points?
Also, this is going to take a LONG time. there may be 60-100 people signing up.

Quick Comments

Stallion:

i second his concerns

FSNiseH · Mon, 27th-Aug-2012, 5:55 PM

Likely going to take the whole day. Starting from 10:30 is a good idea

Meatex · Mon, 27th-Aug-2012, 5:56 PM

no chance of getting a top 16 position but so going to try to go visit the LAN ^^

Norksman · Mon, 27th-Aug-2012, 5:57 PM

Seeding for the bracket is determined by placing in the qualifier.

Yes it's going to be a big day.

**syfChadMann** · Mon, 27th-Aug-2012, 6:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norksman

Seeding for the bracket is determined by placing in the qualifier.

Yes it's going to be a big day.

no no, I mean seeding in the qualifier bracket..
Please tell me there will be seeding in the qualifying bracket?.. o_O

**ACL Beware** · Mon, 27th-Aug-2012, 6:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cR.ChadMann

no no, I mean seeding in the qualifier bracket..
Please tell me there will be seeding in the qualifying bracket?.. o_O

Yes. "Seeding for this Online Tournament will use ACL Season Points" - added to the OP. Forgot to put it in there. Thanks.

Quick Comments

syfChadMann:

ty! - also, are points reset after this event?

Norksman · Mon, 27th-Aug-2012, 6:14 PM

Sorry, yes, career ACL points will determine seeding for the qualifier.

**syfChadMann** · Mon, 27th-Aug-2012, 7:29 PM

Can you publish the career points?..
people can then work out their seeding and whom they are likely to hit and thus prepare for.

Satu · Mon, 27th-Aug-2012, 7:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cR.ChadMann

Can you publish the career points?..
people can then work out their seeding and whom they are likely to hit and thus prepare for.

Yeah, the more information, the better.

**Dox** · Mon, 27th-Aug-2012, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cR.ChadMann

Can you publish the career points?..

ACL Career Points 2012
EDIT: I just realised the Brisbane Regionals & Melbourne Nationals are missing from that version of the document. I'll update it tomorrow.

Quick Comments

inFeZa:

where are my obsing points ? :P

**syfSoundwave** · Mon, 27th-Aug-2012, 8:59 PM

I would try out but I don't wanna wake up that early unless I had a really solid chance.

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Trinion:

is 10:30 early for you?!

**inFeZa** · Mon, 27th-Aug-2012, 11:15 PM

Awesome! Good Luck Good Luck!

asdfSchnitzel · Wed, 29th-Aug-2012, 6:31 PM

Ok, so just wondering, if you were to get a spot for this, would you get a paid flight? Or would you have to organise travel there yourself?

Quick Comments

Maynarde:

Since day 1 of ACL, players and most of the staff have to pay their own way

**ACL Beware** · Wed, 29th-Aug-2012, 7:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToRSchnitzel

Ok, so just wondering, if you were to get a spot for this, would you get a paid flight? Or would you have to organise travel there yourself?

This isn't WCS. There is no funding for flights and accommodation. So no, you will have to organise all that yourself.

As per the podcast and discussion raised by it, we are looking at doing all we can to accommodate the community.

**Maynarde** · Wed, 29th-Aug-2012, 8:03 PM

Just on my comment to Schnitzel; ACL is mainly run by volunteers and most the staff and the players have had to pay their own way since day one. It costs an INSANE amount of money to run these tournaments. It's incredible that they keep such a high quality production and tournament from volunteers.

Of course hopefully that changes one day. Money is awesome!

AxSGRiM · Wed, 29th-Aug-2012, 8:35 PM

haha I still remember back then when I participated in one of the ACL qualifiers back then and did well in group stages. Funny how I'm Rank 63

GL to everyone, I would definitely attend more and practice more if I didn't live in HK!

**iM tgun** · Sat, 1st-Sep-2012, 4:29 AM

I e-mailed my registration but am not listed in this thread.. should I e-mail again? x-x;

**ACL Beware** · Sat, 1st-Sep-2012, 7:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tgun

I e-mailed my registration but am not listed in this thread.. should I e-mail again? x-x;

No, I assume Linc just hasn't updated the Rego list yet. Will be done soon.

**syfChadMann** · Sat, 1st-Sep-2012, 7:36 PM

Just looking at that list.. with the top 8 getting invites.. If people aren't able to make the finals in Sydney - DO NOT sign up for the qualifier.. its going to be a headache to re-allocate a seed if someone pulls out and can't make it to the finals..

So be considerate.. if you can not be in Sydney on October 5th-7th... don't sign up for the tournament. imo.

stronK · Sun, 2nd-Sep-2012, 11:47 AM

i registered days ago and still havent been added, hnggg

registered as light.201

**ACL Beware** · Sun, 2nd-Sep-2012, 3:43 PM

All registration has been updated.

stronK · Sun, 2nd-Sep-2012, 7:54 PM

are the qualifers being streamed?

syntox · Sun, 2nd-Sep-2012, 9:03 PM

syntox.220 is now IXLsyntox.344

ETL.Santi · Sun, 2nd-Sep-2012, 11:01 PM

why am I as protoss lol, im terran

**syfChadMann** · Sun, 2nd-Sep-2012, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Santi

why am I as protoss lol, im terran

I don't really think it matters what race you are listed as.. as long as you play the same race during the tournament and every series..

**ACL Beware** · Thu, 6th-Sep-2012, 8:42 PM

It would of just been a mistake. At this stage the second qualifier will be streamed, unsure of the first one.

**ACL Beware** · Fri, 7th-Sep-2012, 2:02 PM

The first online qualifier is tomorrow so registration will close tonight for it! Get in while you still can

Snx`Azz · Fri, 7th-Sep-2012, 8:11 PM

when is the list being updated? (sent 2 emails to the same address to date).

**ACL Beware** · Fri, 7th-Sep-2012, 8:18 PM

If you have emailed your registration then you will participating in the tournament. List will be updated when they can.

**syfChadMann** · Fri, 7th-Sep-2012, 9:38 PM

I believe a final list will be posted when the sign ups close - (approx an hour before the event). If at this time, your name is not included on the list - notify the admin and they will arrange it.

don't stress yo!

**ACL Beware** · Fri, 7th-Sep-2012, 10:20 PM

Registrations for Qualifier 1 (Saturday 8th September) will close at 9:00AM AEST 08/09/2012.

The bracket will be published shortly thereafter.

As previously stated the scheduled start time is 10:30AM AEST. If you are registered and will either not be able to attend or are running late you MUST email Norksman on lincoz@gmail.com This is a big day for everyone and we'd like to get it started smoothly.

First round walkovers will be processed at 10:45AM AEST

Make sure you join channel ACLPro in game. All results need to be posted there, not through PM's.

Admins for the event are Norksman and Chadmann. If you have any other questions, please let me know.

TAriiChard · Fri, 7th-Sep-2012, 11:27 PM

For all nsw gamers above 18! DOnt forget to vote !!

Quick Comments

x5_dot:

lol :P

Norksman · Sat, 8th-Sep-2012, 7:02 AM

Only an hour to go until registrations close!

Norksman · Sat, 8th-Sep-2012, 8:29 AM

Registrations are now officially closed. I will post a link to the bracket shortly.

EDIT: Link to the brackets http://challonge.com/ebexpooq1 Coincidentally ended with 64 players.

Racial breakdown for those curious:

14

29

20

1

**ACL Beware** · Sat, 8th-Sep-2012, 8:33 AM

Good luck to all players today!

Norksman · Sat, 8th-Sep-2012, 12:18 PM

These players have secured spots into the EB Expo event!

fray`Ninja

fray`HuT

wTPetraeus

cR.neKo

GG.Azz

x5.Bard

x5.Frustration

xGKing.Myuu

You can check out the brackets here.

Seeding is yet to be determined, as there are a few matches left to play out.

Edit: updated qualified players

Quick Comments

	ROOTPetraeus:	Bard is on x5
	Dox:	wooo terran!

iM MaFia · Mon, 10th-Sep-2012, 7:52 AM

what happens to the spots that free up, when ppl like Petraeus end up not going ?

**ACL Beware** · Mon, 10th-Sep-2012, 2:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iM Mafia

what happens to the spots that free up, when ppl like Petraeus end up not going ?

Out of the 8 players that qualified from the first event, only 1 has confirmed they are not attending. Their spot will be given to a player who placed 9th-12th.

The next qualifier is this weekend on the Sunday, GL to everyone competing!

ROOTPetraeus · Mon, 10th-Sep-2012, 7:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iM Mafia

what happens to the spots that free up, when ppl like Petraeus end up not going ?

The spot sure as hell isn't going to you.

edit: As for the hostility, I find it pretty ******* offensive that someone would assume I would sign up for a qualifier without the intention to attend the event...

Quick Comments

	Snx.FigJig:	big boy words
	TAriiChard:	wow that was pretty ******* hostile
	Another:	wow...

NvRossi · Mon, 10th-Sep-2012, 11:15 AM

get your act together petraeus

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ROOTPetraeus:

i justified what i said. go **** yourself.

Benji · Mon, 10th-Sep-2012, 11:36 AM

Already 6 zergs with Mafia/Glade and others still yet to qualify. Hope people have been training their ZvZ!

NvRossi · Mon, 10th-Sep-2012, 11:40 AM

you need to stop trying to prove yourself on the interwebs petraeus

ROOTPetraeus · Mon, 10th-Sep-2012, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvRossi

you need to stop trying to prove yourself on the interwebs petraeus

I'm not trying to prove myself... just trying to defend myself.

Quick Comments

NvRossi:

not the smartest way to go about that

**syfChadMann** · Mon, 10th-Sep-2012, 11:47 AM

Pet, you just need to explain it here the same way you explained it to me during the event when I congratulated you and asked you how you were getting to Aus.

Your response was reasonable and makes sense - Petraeus's Brother lives over here, he will already be in the country visiting him. So a short flight down to Sydney for EB Expo is easy for him.

Okay, so he is coming. Also, no one questioned Frustration - who has an equal distance and flight expenses to come over here. No need to pick on Pet. Players will find a way there.

Finally, if some have to pull out (some of the qualified players could win IESF and be in Korea during EB Expo finals) so if there are spots available, the 9th-12th spot players from each bracket will go into a 8 man double elim final or round robin or what ever to determine who gets the seed(s).

Quick Comments

	ToRSpartaz:	+50 Respect
	nirvAnA:	nice

ROOTPetraeus · Mon, 10th-Sep-2012, 11:49 AM

Yeah Chad's right, the only reason I signed up is because I'll be in Aus (Likely just Sydeny atm) at the same time as the event. I didn't feel like explaining that at first since it had already been assumed that I couldn't attend =/

Quick Comments

	syfChadMann:	fighting assumed hostility with hostility is silly Pet. :)
	EveSigns:	meh id tend to agree with you man... no need to explain yourself, particularly when you get attacked out of nowhere
	TAriiChard:	all you had to say was "I'll be turning up and living at my bros house"

**Dox** · Mon, 10th-Sep-2012, 12:31 PM

Mafia's post was a hostile attack? What? It was just a harmless assumption, jeez.

EDIT: Making an assumption that someone from another country (who has never attended an Australian event before) who is not supported by a team would not make the trip to Australia for a qualifier is NOT a personal attack. It's a logical conclusion. **** people. Using him as an example of people who probably won't be able to attend isn't offensive. Most people would draw the same initial conclusion.

Quick Comments

	ROOTPetraeus:	didn't seem harmless to me
	Snx.FigJig:	Pet is in his rebellious teenage stage...watch out everyone.
	Norksman:	It's a harmless assumption until he singles someone out.
	x5_Bard:	Mafia could have asked the same question without dropping pets name is what hes getting at
	ToR.Arnor:	It's a harmless assumption until he singles someone out.

SLCN.Kez · Mon, 10th-Sep-2012, 2:38 PM

When you know a lot of people have attacked you and someone else says something about you, its very easy to see it as a personal attack, even if it wasn't intended that way. Knowing from experience/bullying.

Quick Comments

Pandan:

It's all about interpretation. History with a person, or even your own actions dictate offense taken

**VoxMSI.Rogue** · Mon, 10th-Sep-2012, 3:11 PM

To be fair, everyone knows that Petraeus is going to react when something like that is said. I assume Mafia never intended it to be an attack on Petraeus because Mafia just ain't that type of guy.

BUT and I am guilty of this myself, we all know how to push Pets buttons and get him fired up and talking shit. I realise he doesn't always handle every situation maturely, but he is 16 years old. When I was his age I didn't handle anything maturely at all and it is simply unfair to expect him to act like an adult 24/7 infact, we should encourage him to have the freedoms of youth before he has to deal with the cold harsh reality of being an adult and dealing with shit constantly.

I think, people have a lot of preconceived misconceptions about Pet because of his past behaviour. I know he can be bad manner and angry sometimes but I also know him personally very well and that he is working on these things. He is trying to cool it and not care as much, to not react or be bad manner or say things that are poorly worded and full of emotion.

Christ, he talks as much shit to me as he does to anyone else, possibly more, but I also know he works his ass off and wants to be the best and has spent so much time committing to those dreams he hasn't had the socialization a lot of us have had.

I think a lot of what he says is due to the fact he simply gets too angry or frustrated to step back and word things properly. He is WELL AWARE of how his behaviour effects himself and others and is working on changing but a little empathy would go a long way.

Quick Comments

SanG:

<3

ROOTPetraeus · Mon, 10th-Sep-2012, 3:18 PM

Thanks Alicia. But I don't think age should be an excuse for anyone's actions.
Its true that I do get frustrated easily but I see this as a personal fault, there are plenty of people my age that handle their anger better.
Also I'd rather be treated harshly than as a child. Thanks.

Quick Comments

	SLCN.Kez:	"Also I'd rather be treated harshly than as a child. Thanks." This x100
	asdfSchnitzel:	^
	Dox:	Maybe you can borrow Frustration's ID ^___^

iM MaFia · Mon, 10th-Sep-2012, 4:00 PM

Ok, so I made that post when I left my house this morning... now that I've had a chance to catch up on everything, I have no idea why everyones gone full retard over something as little and harmless as what I've said directed at Petraeus...
Dox/Rogue basically summed it up pretty well, as for Chad I singled pet out because I consider him a closer friend than anyone else that I didn't thinks going on the list, ie Bard, Fustration... as for Pet, I wasn't trying to offend you or make it a personal attack or anything, try to lighten up and stop getting so mad, you should know better and that I'm actually more than happy for you especially if you end up coming... There isn't any need to act like that, to be honest I just wanted to know what the deal was if ppl no-showed, but I saw pets name in the qualified players list and I guess I wanted to tease/make fun of him because I really didn't think he'd come, so I'm sorry for being a bully... I had no idea you had anger management issues so I will refrain from trying to make fun of you again, truly sorry!

ROOTPetraeus · Mon, 10th-Sep-2012, 4:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iM Mafia

Ok, so I made that post when I left my house this morning... now that I've had a chance to catch up on everything, I have no idea why everyones gone full retard over something as little and harmless as what I've said directed at Petraeus...
Dox/Rogue basically summed it up pretty well, as for Chad I singled pet out because I consider him a closer friend than anyone else that I didn't thinks going on the list, ie Bard, Fustration... as for Pet, I wasn't trying to offend you or make it a personal attack or anything, try to lighten up and stop getting so mad, you should know better and that I'm actually more than happy for you especially if you end up coming... There isn't any need to act like that, to be honest I just wanted to know what the deal was if ppl no-showed, but I saw pets name in the qualified players list and I guess I wanted to tease/make fun of him because I really didn't think he'd come, so I'm sorry for being a bully... I had no idea you had anger management issues so I will refrain from trying to make fun of you again, truly sorry!

lol sorry man I misunderstood what you were saying completely T_T i'd feel bad if you stopped trolling/making fun of me just cause of this... lets just forget about it

Quick Comments

[TA]LoSt:

Damage done

HuT · Mon, 10th-Sep-2012, 4:13 PM

Quick Comments

	ROOTPetraeus:	lmao
	ToR.Arnor:	ah HuT here to gay up the place <3 your work my friend
	asdfSchnitzel:	obviously, to solution to everything
	syfSoundwave:	I support this solution
	inFeZa:	l o l

JiNxXx · Tue, 11th-Sep-2012, 2:35 AM

so much bloody E-drama...

also, here's hoping that we can see something other then Zerg qualify for the final spots. but seeing as this is Aus, I doubt that very much.

*eagerly awaits Bard and Frust to beat all the Z's with Toss power, mwuaha*

dippa · Tue, 11th-Sep-2012, 3:25 AM

i miss the days when people actually had a reason to get fired up

**iM tgun** · Tue, 11th-Sep-2012, 3:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dippa

i miss the days when people actually had a reason to get fired up

Should I start handing out reasons again?

dippa · Tue, 11th-Sep-2012, 4:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iM tgun

Should I start handing out reasons again?

disappointing brad, i thought you of all people would have understood the reference i was making; back when people played cs and there was genuine shit-slinging going on

except the warhound, that's pretty lol

**iM tgun** · Tue, 11th-Sep-2012, 7:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dippa

disappointing brad, i thought you of all people would have understood the reference i was making; back when people played cs and there was genuine shit-slinging going on

except the warhound, that's pretty lol

I was referencing when I angered the greater SEA community.. cmon =p

Quick Comments

Maynarde:

YOU MAKE ME SO GOSH DARN MAD

JiNxXx · Tue, 11th-Sep-2012, 4:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dippa

back when people played cs and there was genuine shit-slinging going on

lol, come onto any fps with VOIP and you will get your fullfilment of shit-slinging, flinging, mother calling and more in a heart beat.

sc2 is such a gentle community compared to the FPS scene.

miss a FF and lose the game? gg bud. Miss a tank shot against an enemy tank and die, making your team lose? UNINSTALL THE GAME YOU *** NOOB, OMG SO BAD YOUR MOTHER, UHH, DID STUFF WITH A WEBCAM!

whoosh.

**nirvAnA** · Tue, 11th-Sep-2012, 4:27 AM

hahaha wtf happened in here! im glad they made up, so much easier when one is willing to back down first, it usually ends well. was happy to see that

NvRossi · Tue, 11th-Sep-2012, 4:55 PM

nothin like relivin the good ol fps days aye boys

Legionnaire · Wed, 12th-Sep-2012, 12:21 PM

Wondering if there is any prize money for this event? I can't see anything on any pages.

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syfChadMann:

for the qualifier? - no.. for the finals - All expenses paid trip to France and qualification for the ESWC finals

**inFeZa** · Wed, 12th-Sep-2012, 12:28 PM

Oh whoa! I missed a lot of stuff in this thread!

anyway.... I'm excited to be bringing you the games this sunday, in 720p Internets!
Casted by Maynarde & ???

Train hard, play well, lets have some awesome games!

ROOTPetraeus · Wed, 12th-Sep-2012, 2:50 PM

so is there only the 1st place prize?

**ACL Beware** · Sun, 16th-Sep-2012, 9:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petraeus

so is there only the 1st place prize?

EB have not yet announced prizes for the EB Expo E-Sports tournaments, besides the flights and accommodation for ESWC for Starcraft 2.

**PiG** · Sun, 16th-Sep-2012, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACL Beware

EB have not yet announced prizes for the EB Expo E-Sports tournaments, besides the flights and accommodation for ESWC for Starcraft 2.

As I'm most likely ditching EB Expo for IESF I would like any more information you guys have access to on this. If you could PM or skype me that'd be fantastic as if it's a heavy prize pool it quite possibly is more worth my while to go to EB instead.

Norksman · Thu, 13th-Sep-2012, 8:43 AM

Just a reminder - If you can't make the qualifier on Sunday September 16 or the Expo October 5-6 please let me know either in this thread or by email lincoz@gmail.com and I'll remove you from the registered list.

Out of the 64 signups for the first qualifier we had 25 no shows. It's a lot of walkovers to process and it screws up the bracket.

TAminimat · Thu, 13th-Sep-2012, 9:31 AM

I won't be able to play on the sunday.

Quick Comments

Norksman:

Cheers dude.

NvRossi · Sat, 15th-Sep-2012, 6:48 PM

Norksman, as there is the IEM Guangzhou Stage 3 qualifier on at the same time, will it be possible for myself to play in both?

as i understand the EB games expo qualifier begins at 10:30am and stage 3 of the IEM qualifier will begin at 3pm.

i hope this is all cool and there wont be too much overlap!

**syfChadMann** · Sat, 15th-Sep-2012, 6:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvRossi

Norksman, as there is the IEM Guangzhou Stage 3 qualifier on at the same time, will it be possible for myself to play in both?

as i understand the EB games expo qualifier begins at 10:30am and stage 3 of the IEM qualifier will begin at 3pm.

i hope this is all cool and there wont be too much overlap!

I was admining the IEM along with helping Norksman with the EB qualifier last Sunday, We managed to allow players to play in both with out holding brackets up too much. Just have to maintain communication with the admin's of both events I guess..

Eos · Sat, 15th-Sep-2012, 9:17 PM

Hey when will the brackets open for the tournament?

Norksman · Sat, 15th-Sep-2012, 10:37 PM

@Rossi - We'll accommodate as best we can. Just keep in touch with us about when you're playing etc.

Registrations for Qualifier #2 close at 9am tomorrow morning (Sunday 16th). So if you're still looking to play, there is time to email me at lincoz@gmail.com. I'll publish the brackets shortly thereafter.

Update on qualified players from Qualifier #1

In addition to xGKing.Poker, fray`EdgE has pulled out and due to Tt.PiG winning the IeSF spot in Korea he will be unable to participate also. This means that the following players have qualfiied in their stead:

fray`HuT

GG.Azz

cR.neKo

Congrats!

Norksman · Sun, 16th-Sep-2012, 8:08 AM

Registrations have now closed. Brackets will be posted soon.

As with the first qualifier, entrants are seeded on Career ACL points.

edit: Brackets for Qualifier 2 - http://challonge.com/ebexpooq2

First round walkovers will be processed at 10:45am! AEST

iM SundeR · Sun, 16th-Sep-2012, 2:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norksman

@Rossi - We'll accommodate as best we can. Just keep in touch with us about when you're playing etc.

Registrations for Qualifier #2 close at 9am tomorrow morning (Sunday 16th). So if you're still looking to play, there is time to email me at lincoz@gmail.com. I'll publish the brackets shortly thereafter.

Update on qualified players from Qualifier #1

In addition to xGKing.Poker, fray`EdgE has pulled out and due to Tt.PiG winning the IeSF spot in Korea he will be unable to participate also. This means that the following players have qualfiied in their stead:

fray`HuT

GG.Azz

cR.neKo

Congrats!

Are these three replacement players confirmed for attending? I assume HuT is 100% but the others? Just wondering

**iM tgun** · Sun, 16th-Sep-2012, 8:26 AM

Morning norksman

SFTAElessar · Sun, 16th-Sep-2012, 8:44 AM

I sent u an email! is it too late?

Quick Comments

Norksman:

Unfortunately yes, it's too late.

stronK · Sun, 16th-Sep-2012, 9:04 AM

hey i may not be able to make in time for the first round, but please don't eliminate me completely for the losers bracket. thanks, just having some difficulities with something atm..

Legionnaire · Sun, 16th-Sep-2012, 9:23 AM

I've already turned down playing from the first qualifier. And i forgot to say don't add me to the 2nd one.

Is it rude of me to play if i'm not going to the finals?

Should i let theyoungone take my place ?:P

Norksman · Sun, 16th-Sep-2012, 9:35 AM

@Legionnaire

Will forfeit your games in the bracket.

Norksman · Sun, 16th-Sep-2012, 1:32 PM

The following players have qualified into the EB Games Expo E-sports event!

iM.Mafia

Nv.mOOnGLaDe

iM.tgun

MF.iaguz

TA.Spider

Nv.Rossi

CG.Shieldz

Nv.JazBas

Congratulations and good luck!

You need to email lincoz@gmail.com confirmation of your attendance within 3 DAYS Remember that it's for two days starting on Friday 5th October in Sydney and that you need to organize your own travel and accommodation.

Norksman · Sun, 16th-Sep-2012, 2:29 PM

Yes, they're all confirmed.

As with the last qualifier, if any of the winners pull out, 9th - 12th will be contacted to take the position.

**ACL Beware** · Tue, 25th-Sep-2012, 6:00 PM

Information regarding Organisation heads/Team managers of competing EB Expo E-Sports players: http://www.facebook.com/aclpro/posts/10151253185723092.

Basically if your team manager or organisation rep would like access to the E-Sports area without having to buy a ticket email d.cauci@aclpro.com.au.

Thanks.

Norksman · Fri, 28th-Sep-2012, 11:21 PM

Unfortunately one of the players that qualified from the second event has had to pull out due to Visa concerns.

CG.Shieldz will be replaced by

IXL.syntox. Congrats syntox! We'll see you in Sydney!

**Dingobloo** · Tue, 2nd-Oct-2012, 9:35 AM

Just so I can get confirmation for coverage/LP purposes: is it , in no particular order:

Bard
Frustration
Azz
Spider
HuT
Rossi
iaguz
Jazbas
Ninja
Myuu
neKo
Petraeus
Mafia
mOOnGLaDe
tgun
Syntox

**Dox** · Tue, 2nd-Oct-2012, 12:07 PM

Any prize info yet? We're a few days away.

Pandan · Tue, 2nd-Oct-2012, 12:20 PM

As far as I am aware; the only 100% confirmed prize is that we (GAMECOM Australia) are sending the winner to France for ESWC.

verified here: http://www.eswc.com/en/2012/game/sc2 and here: http://www.eswc.com/en/2012/qualifying/28

EDIT: ACL Staff to confirm if there are further prizes, I'm not in the loop on that.

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ROOTPetraeus:

are any other prizes likely to be confirmed..?

ROOT`iaguz · Tue, 2nd-Oct-2012, 12:32 PM

Brackets would be nice too.

Frustration · Tue, 2nd-Oct-2012, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFiaguz

Brackets would be nice too.

yeah would love to see who we are playing

**Dox** · Tue, 2nd-Oct-2012, 12:38 PM

Should be easy enough to predict based on career points, i'll scribble something up soon.

**Dox** · Tue, 2nd-Oct-2012, 1:07 PM

Okay I've done my best to try and predict the bracket based on career points. I dunno if they'll actually do it this way though.

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ROOTPetraeus:

Mafia 1st round ;( I sure hope you're wrong :p

**syfChadMann** · Tue, 2nd-Oct-2012, 4:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dox

Okay I've done my best to try and predict the bracket based on career points. I dunno if they'll actually do it this way though.

I would have done it the same as this - but include some points from the online rounds.. similar point distribution to the Online Rounds....?

However I realise this is not exactly an ACL event.. but EB Expo/TLS so I understand if the points system isn't used. But it IS a good and fair barometer for seeding.

**nirvAnA** · Tue, 2nd-Oct-2012, 2:46 PM

I've updated the OP with various information based on what was posted in the thread. When someone from ACL can do a proper update, please remove that line in the OP. Thanks!

**ACL Beware** · Tue, 2nd-Oct-2012, 4:34 PM

ACL has nothing to do with prizes for this event, as it is not an ACL event. Prizes have not yet been announced, though I believe they are in the process of being finalised.

The bracket can and will most likely be released tonight. It will not just be based on straight up ACL points. Players who choise not to continue playing after they qualified for the event will not be seeded as highly as players who placed 1st/2nd etc in the Online Qualifiers. This was always made clear in the announcement of the Online Qualifiers. Once I have talked to Linc (Norksman) tonight then we shall release the bracket.

Further information will be released to players via email shortly.

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nirvAnA:

ty for clarification

LiviBee · Tue, 2nd-Oct-2012, 4:35 PM

i am excite

Legionnaire · Tue, 2nd-Oct-2012, 4:47 PM

I find it unlikely that more prizes will be announced. I've found if they don't announce it upfront, it normally doesn't happen.

Prizes increase interest in the tournament (pre advertising). There is no need to do that anymore as all the players are decided and going.

Any prizes announced now is just giving away free money, which noone likes doing.

**syfChadMann** · Tue, 2nd-Oct-2012, 4:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legionnaire

I find it unlikely that more prizes will be announced. I've found if they don't announce it upfront, it normally doesn't happen.

Prizes increase interest in the tournament (pre advertising). There is no need to do that anymore as all the players are decided and going.

Any prizes announced now is just giving away free money, which noone likes doing.

Obviously never had any experience with TLS - these guys are so incompetent that they probably didn't arrange the prizes till now - didn't even think about the marketing potential >.<

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nirvAnA:

What is TLS?

**Dingobloo** · Tue, 2nd-Oct-2012, 5:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fray`ChadMann

Obviously never had any experience with TLS - these guys are so incompetent that they probably didn't arrange the prizes till now - didn't even think about the marketing potential >.<

Also announcing where or even IF there will be a stream would go a long way to increasing excitement for their tournament, but that hasn't happened yet either (as far as I'm aware).

NvRossi · Tue, 2nd-Oct-2012, 10:31 PM

lack of prize announcements is seriously ridiculous

ZergGirl · Tue, 2nd-Oct-2012, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvRossi

lack of prize announcements is seriously ridiculous

I'll buy you a year's supply of pizza (and then when you are fat; subway) when you win.

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	NvRossi:	deal
	NOM:	this is one good ******* deal

ROOT`iaguz · Tue, 2nd-Oct-2012, 10:53 PM

If there's no prizes, will the iM/Nv boys even bother showing up lol?

**Dox** · Tue, 2nd-Oct-2012, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFiaguz

If there's no prizes, will the iM/Nv boys even bother showing up lol?

Flights and accommodation have been booked for a long time, can't avoid it now. Disappointing though.

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ToR.Arnor:

How does Flights and Accom for JazBas and Glade cost $4000? O.o

**iM tgun** · Tue, 2nd-Oct-2012, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFiaguz

If there's no prizes, will the iM/Nv boys even bother showing up lol?

Just send the people who reside in Sydney.. aka most of iM ;P

**inFeZa** · Wed, 3rd-Oct-2012, 12:32 AM

Make this a whole new discussion thread please

Another · Wed, 3rd-Oct-2012, 12:53 AM

i kinda hope dox is wrong on bracket, poor pet going to play mafia first round, mafia is the bane of his existence atm

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	Dox:	bracket was posted hours ago man! check the OP :D
	ROOTPetraeus:	ya mafia imba :P

**syfChadMann** · Wed, 3rd-Oct-2012, 1:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IrisAnother

i kinda hope dox is wrong on bracket, poor pet going to play mafia first round, mafia is the bane of his existence atm

they were brackets dox made that reflected ACL Career points - but this event is mostly seeded by the qualifiers for the event.

The bracket has been generated - here: http://challonge.com/ebexposc2

**inFeZa** · Wed, 3rd-Oct-2012, 1:29 AM

SHOW UP FOR THE LOVE OF THE GAME MATE.

I do it every time with 100% chance of not winning anything.

ROOT`iaguz · Wed, 3rd-Oct-2012, 1:31 AM

Bullshit infeza, you show up cuz you're the observer...

http://challonge.com/ebexposc2 this is the real brackets. Pet has to make it in 2 rounds before he hits mafia. Also wtf was this seeded look at top half compared to bottom half lol.

Ah well. Can't complain. Gotta get me that ticket to France one way or another.

Anyway, few more questions. What times do the games start and (expect) to end? Also how do we get inside the venue, shouldn't we require some sort of pass or some such?

**iM tgun** · Wed, 3rd-Oct-2012, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFiaguz

Bullshit infeza, you show up cuz you're the observer...

http://challonge.com/ebexposc2 this is the real brackets. Pet has to make it in 2 rounds before he hits mafia. Also wtf was this seeded look at top half compared to bottom half lol.

Ah well. Can't complain. Gotta get me that ticket to France one way or another.

Anyway, few more questions. What times do the games start and (expect) to end? Also how do we get inside the venue, shouldn't we require some sort of pass or some such?

Looks well-balanced to me o-o

Edit: Agreed pet, you're on my side. W/O ez

Edit 2: How do we get into the expo / into the badgery pavillion?

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ROOTPetraeus:

well we did get the slightly easier side, tgun :p

**inFeZa** · Wed, 3rd-Oct-2012, 1:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFiaguz

Bullshit infeza, you show up cuz you're the observer...

Yeah... Exactly! I don't win anything and i can't T__T

If i did play i'd win everytime coz no1 can beat my pvz

Another · Wed, 3rd-Oct-2012, 2:41 AM

oh my bad i didnt look at OP lol dox, hmmm bracket seems pretty even tbh, sad that the 2 terran hopes have to play each other round 1 : ( but seems good spread of the zerg powerhouses

x5_Bard · Wed, 3rd-Oct-2012, 6:26 AM

How am I seeded below people that were given spots due to pullouts when I qualified properly? Seems a little unfair. Not that it would change my first round opponent being a beast though

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	TAEdgE:	ACL career points..
	nirvAnA:	nearly everyone is hard bro lol!

FS.Kezz · Wed, 3rd-Oct-2012, 6:55 AM

Damn, Rossi vs Iaguz in Round 1, bittersweet as all hell.

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ROOT`iaguz:

It's the one ACL mandatory streamed TvT the tournament.

Norksman · Wed, 3rd-Oct-2012, 7:35 AM

@Bard/Iaguz - We made it clear to players both before and during the qualifiers that your placement determined your seeding, however if you chose to forfeit your matches, you would forfeit your seeding also.

The tournament starts at 10am per this thread. There will be a player manual sent out to the players to cover a lot of these details also. I thought they had already been sent, I'll chase up an ETA on those.

Edit: Hopefully the player manuals (which will detail access to venue etc) will go out today.

x5_Bard · Wed, 3rd-Oct-2012, 9:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fray`EdgE

ACL career points..

Nah, I've actually got a few of them.

Quote:

We made it clear to players both before and during the qualifiers that your placement determined your seeding, however if you chose to forfeit your matches, you would forfeit your seeding also.

That makes more sense. I wasn't aware I had forfeited my seeding, I was just under the impression that I would get seeded as per a 9th/16th slot. I just found it odd that people who technically finished lower than me got a higher seed. Which in hindsight makes no difference at all!

Norksman · Wed, 3rd-Oct-2012, 6:07 PM

Beware has sent out to all players detailing a bunch of information re: entry to the event.

All qualified players should check the email they signed up with!

NvRossi · Wed, 3rd-Oct-2012, 6:32 PM

No mention of prizes yet again in the email..

How can this be promoted as the National Championship Crowning tournament and there be literally no reward for 2nd, 3rd...

IF the prizes are TLS's fault, can we get a comment from them regarding this?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACL Beware

2012 ACL National Finals:
Due to the enormous event that is the EB Expo E-Sports tournament Australian Cyber League will not be hosting another LAN event for 2012. While the EB Expo E-Sports event is not an ACL event, ACL will still crown our 2012 champions from placements in this tournament! You will still get to see all your friendly ACL staff at the event making sure all our regular tournaments are run smoothly.

NvRossi · Wed, 3rd-Oct-2012, 6:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvRossi

No mention of prizes yet again in the email..

How can this be promoted as the National Championship Crowning tournament and there be literally no reward for 2nd, 3rd...

IF the prizes are TLS's fault, can we get a comment from them regarding this?

Also, this also indicates that our ACL Career points for the year have been completely useless as it was always understood they would be required to qualify for the national championship.

**ACL Beware** · Wed, 3rd-Oct-2012, 7:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvRossi

Also, this also indicates that our ACL Career points for the year have been completely useless as it was always understood they would be required to qualify for the national championship.

I understand your frustration mate. It was originally intended that ACL would run their own event for the National Finals, however we had a chance to help make a EB Expo E-Sports a good event and we took it. Every single year before this we have always had our own National Finals, I know this is somewhat irrelevant and doesn't help you now but just further proving that this is a first time for us. As this is not an ACL event we could not use our season points to award players straight up qualification for the event. Sorry mate.

NvRossi · Wed, 3rd-Oct-2012, 7:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACL Beware

I understand your frustration mate. It was originally intended that ACL would run their own event for the National Finals, however we had a chance to help make a EB Expo E-Sports a good event and we took it. Every single year before this we have always had our own National Finals, I know this is somewhat irrelevant and doesn't help you now but just further proving that this is a first time for us. As this is not an ACL event we could not use our season points to award players straight up qualification for the event. Sorry mate.

Thanks for the response buddy

**syfChadMann** · Wed, 3rd-Oct-2012, 7:21 PM

How can we ensure TLS doesn't **** up more events in the future?.. they are 2 from 2 with **** ups so far.. why do we still have them organising or being involved in events?!?!?

ROOT`iaguz · Wed, 3rd-Oct-2012, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fray`ChadMann

How can we ensure TLS doesn't **** up more events in the future?.. they are 2 from 2 with **** ups so far.. why do we still have them organising or being involved in events?!?!?

Where does it mention TLS anywhere?

**Sent1nel** · Thu, 4th-Oct-2012, 12:36 PM

For those that aren't quite sure, TLS largely run the entire EB Expo. They don't pretend to know how to run tournaments which is why they asked ACL and other community groups to help them this year.

To be clear, ACL is running the SC2 tournament. However the tournament itself is branded and officially part of the EB Expo itself - it is not an ACL National or similar tour stop.

**Dox** · Thu, 4th-Oct-2012, 2:28 PM

Before anyone says anything tomorrow, our suppliers made a mistake with Jaz's hoodie - it says JazBaz. >_< They're arranging an express replacement for him asap.

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	NvJazBas:	hahahaha
	NOM:	he should get a free jazbas bobble head

**iM tgun** · Thu, 4th-Oct-2012, 4:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dox

Before anyone says anything tomorrow, our suppliers made a mistake with Jaz's hoodie - it says JazBaz. >_< They're arranging an express replacement for him asap.

I always pronounced it as such. Keep it imo.

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crAzerk:

same

Nv.GTR · Thu, 4th-Oct-2012, 4:05 PM

Barry 'JazBaz' Cho

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TAEdgE:

haha

ROOT`iaguz · Thu, 4th-Oct-2012, 4:27 PM

you have to make it JazBass so yoon never gets confused.

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	crAzerk:	or JazBadass
	NOM:	^^ this

VB_Blake · Fri, 5th-Oct-2012, 10:41 AM

Is there no stream or am I just missing it?

**Dingobloo** · Fri, 5th-Oct-2012, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VB_Bandit

Is there no stream or am I just missing it?

It's just not up yet, they didn't set a start time for the stream, so we'll just have to wait and see.

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VB_Blake:

kk

**iMSystem** · Fri, 5th-Oct-2012, 12:08 PM

I think Zepph might be casting from the event? Not sure.

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	Maynarde:	Yep, Zepph (and maybe Dox too I think not sure)
	Dingobloo:	She said she was sick in the lead up, and they apparently had some caster issues with soundproofing? not sure.

**inFeZa** · Fri, 5th-Oct-2012, 12:23 PM

streaaaaaaaaaaaam

Nv.GTR · Fri, 5th-Oct-2012, 5:12 PM

I've been told all games tomorrow will be streamed online

ETL.Santi · Fri, 5th-Oct-2012, 6:31 PM

I loved the stream today. Keep up the good work guys!

Another · Sat, 6th-Oct-2012, 7:03 AM

gogo iaguz : ) fight the evil swarm

asdfSchnitzel · Sat, 6th-Oct-2012, 7:08 AM

Iaguz last foreign hope!

Norksman · Sat, 6th-Oct-2012, 8:21 AM

Fingers crossed for no technical issues today, we'll stream 5/6 games left.

Stream will be on www.twitch.tv/aclprosc2

EDIT: Stream is now live!!

NemaR · Sat, 6th-Oct-2012, 7:06 PM

the tournament was REALLY poorly organised, power kept going out, it was about 4 hours until they played something on screen, players could very easily stream cheat, games kept on disconnecting, I was very dissapoint.

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	nirvAnA:	thanks for the feedback im sure they will look into it
	NOM:	someone call the wahmbulance

**ToR.Arnor** · Sun, 7th-Oct-2012, 7:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NemaR

the tournament was REALLY poorly organised, power kept going out, it was about 4 hours until they played something on screen, players could very easily stream cheat, games kept on disconnecting, I was very dissapoint.

Ive gotta say Norksman did a ******* awesome job running the SCII tournament, There were internet issues and power issues (mostly day 1 I believe?) and while its disappointing it pretty much happens at every LAN event in Australia could it have been avoiding? sure with better planning ultimately EB Expo will learn from their mistakes and do a better job next year, players could of stream cheated but I dont think they would have, These 16 players all know and respect each other. Again the Expo organizers will get feedback from the community and do a better job planning the layout of the Gaming Arena next time

Just wanted to say Norksman is a baller and did an amazing job with the resources he had available to him!

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	asdfSchnitzel:	+1 to that! Norksman even did a text cast at one point :D
	nirvAnA:	+1 thanks Norksman!
	ToRSpartaz:	+1 to that, dude you kept it together <3
	NOM:	1+ I'm baking Norksman a fkn epic cake

JiNxXx · Sun, 7th-Oct-2012, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NemaR

the tournament was REALLY poorly organised, power kept going out, it was about 4 hours until they played something on screen, players could very easily stream cheat, games kept on disconnecting, I was very dissapoint.

I just have to laugh at comments like this.

you have no idea what it actually takes to run a tournament / event of this size...

to be honest, I really don't have to sit here and type this out, but I will because I want everyone to know exactly what happened and how the team and I solved these issues.

first off, I was pulled in as the entire E-Sports director at the last minute, and I mean 2 days before the event went live. saying that, I did the best I could with the resources that were available to get everything going.

addressing the major issues.

Internet: internet was one of the biggest issues, during bump in on Thursday I was on the phone for a good 3+ hours trying to get net sorted out for the venue, to no avail. (ball was dropped prior to my activation on this project and nobody had organized a net connection).

Friday rolled along and myself and the ACL (Damien and crew) were at the venue at 730am setting up and trying to get things rolling. After 1.5 hours on the phone and running between the event hall and the main offices at Olympic Park I was able to get a net connection set up for the venue. Unfortunately it was only a 5mbit connection as the main 2 100/100's were being used.

We immediately noticed the issue and moved to create a solution. I approached my boss at TLS, yes, the company that you all seem to hate so much, and he immediately and unhesitatingly dropped $1,000 in cash to get a internet solution in place. We were able to send a runner out to purchase additional 4G dongles in order to provide you all with the tournament that you wanted. Eventually we had the internet up and running and everyone was able to play the game.

Power: Again another issue here that needed to be addressed before hand, but again slipped through the net. Power was not set up correctly by the contractors of the venue as they were not made aware during bump-in about the number of devices that we were going to have on the circuit. 20+ Asus computers, 10+ for shootmania and over 40 consoles total. The first power outage was caused by a untagged and untested distribution box for the 3 phase power. Power was restored when someone replaced the faulty distribution box with a 3 phase connector to a 3 port daisy chain thing of utter idiocy.

I was not made aware of this change, if I was, I would of literally taken the person responsible and cut their balls off...

Luckily one of my helpers during the weekend inquired to me about the power scheme we had in place and I told him to check it out. When he showed me the set up we could literally feel the heat radiating off the cables, they were getting that hot! If we had not immediately shut down the power there would of been either; a. a fire from the cables melting / igniting or b. someone / everyone around the 3 phase would of been electrocuted.

It was a OH&S issue that we were not going to ignore and that is why the power was off for so long. We needed to find a solution to the problem in order to make sure that everyone in the venue was safe.

Of course we were able to solve this issue with help from the Olympic Park sparky team and SGL's Casualty who graciously ran back to Epping in order to bring in his own 3 phase distributors so that we could continue the event.

Streaming and 'games' on the main projectors:

All of the streaming was being done through 4G dongles and the reason that we did not have a stream up was because we were using the only 4G stick that we had at the time to provide everyone there with stable internet. Would you all have rather to play with the game stuttering every 5 seconds with a stream going? Or sacrifice the stream for half the day, so that you weren't all sitting there playing an unplayable game because of the lag?

Regarding stream cheating, you're just a moron for even suggesting that. I'm tired and stressed and a lot of what I'm saying here in this post will come across as being quite forward. But I want to make it clear that you suggesting that people would stream cheat implies that you think their all cheaters / exploiters which is just pure disrespectful.

In the end, we were able to get everything running to the best of our abilities. I acknowledge that we could of done things a lot better, but at the same time for the time frame, staff numbers and such that we had, I'm just happy that the tournament went ahead and finished.

My thoughts:

Overall I had a fantastic weekend, it was stressful, full on and tiring, but in the end I feel that the overall Esports Tournaments (not just SC2) went fantastically smooth and everyone enjoyed themselves. Unfortunately the SC2 boys (and girl, looking at you livi) were the guinea pigs. You guys were the first to test the power, the internet and more and of course there are going to be problems. There always are, you are delusional if you think that we can set events like this up and everything will be perfect from the get-go.

Saying that, I was really glad to see everyone enjoying themselves in the later parts of Day 1 and through out Day 2.

Also again a massive shout out is in order for Norksman, he did one hell of a job adming / running the SC2 comp. But an equal one is also due to ACL, with out whom this tournament would not have gone ahead.

If you guys do have any constructive feedback, please feel free to post it here, or if you feel more comfortable emailing it to me, you can reach me at Zee.Kotwal@Gmail.com.

Thanks guys.

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	NOM:	;) should of cooked something on it gurl
	JoFritzMD:	and he's serious when he talks about the ball cutting
	nirvAnA:	thanks for sharing

**Dingobloo** · Mon, 8th-Oct-2012, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JiNxXx

...
Regarding stream cheating, you're just a moron for even suggesting that. I'm tired and stressed and a lot of what I'm saying here in this post will come across as being quite forward. But I want to make it clear that you suggesting that people would stream cheat implies that you think their all cheaters / exploiters which is just pure disrespectful.
...

I hope this is the stress and fatigue talking because this is a troubling response, keeping in mind, I wasn't there, I don't know how difficult or easy it was to see the screen while playing, but I'll just stick to addressing the arguments:

There is a concept in journalism and in many other fields that "The appearance of impropriety is just as bad as actual impropriety". To use an example, conflict of interest: A judge might be relieved from ruling on a case due to conflict of interest, not because they think the judge is a scumbag (they don't, that's why he's a Judge), they do it because the fact that there is any risk of him swaying the outcome in his favor is enough to put the integrity of the hearing into question regardless of if he did it or did not.

I think it's okay if genuinely "it was out of our control" or "we didn't have enough space to ensure it didn't happen" but to write off his concerns by saying that he's accusing everyone of cheating is just untrue. Worse still if it was merely the decision that the exposure of having a big screen playing games was more important than the integrity (either perceived or real) of the tournament then that's that's really unfortunate. Here is Riot talking about a similar issue at their event on the weekend.

Thanks to Norksman for being a very a good admin, and yourself for your efforts and for trying to quickly fix the issues that arose, but there were genuine problems with this event even before the issues of power or internet that made it difficult to do even my pitiful contribution.

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nirvAnA:

very niceee!!

JiNxXx · Mon, 8th-Oct-2012, 2:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dingobloo

I hope this is the stress and fatigue talking because this is a troubling response

Thanks to Norksman for being a very a good admin, and yourself for your efforts and for trying to quickly fix the issues that arose, but there were genuine problems with this event even before the issues of power or internet that made it difficult to do even my pitiful contribution.

oh yeah - it was... still tired as all hell. aha.

regarding second part of quote, I completely agree - there were so many other issues that arose / were around before the event even went live.

Another · Sun, 7th-Oct-2012, 8:17 AM

cant stream cheat if theres no stream !

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NOM:

lololol

[TA]LoSt · Sun, 7th-Oct-2012, 10:11 AM

Who the ****/why would they stream cheat? Seriously?

Nv.GTR · Sun, 7th-Oct-2012, 4:59 PM

Yep. Norksman pretty much saved the event from collapsing.

**Dox** · Mon, 8th-Oct-2012, 10:04 AM

You and Linc did a sick job man. Honestly, from what I could tell, none of the players even gave a shit about the internet/power issues, cos it was like, "Oh sick, that means we can go and walk around the expo!" With two whole days to run a 16 player double elimination tournament, the stress levels seemed to be at an all-time low, and everyone I spoke to was just happy to mingle and enjoy the event. As for the lack of stream, yeah it sucks but it's not the end of the world. GESC was in the same boat a few months ago!

And I can assure you, mOOnGLaDe definitely stream cheated throughout the whole tournament, even when he was playing on the main stage. He had a mirror on the table so he could see everything on the projector screen behind him. Kid has no skills at all. Just cheats his way through tournaments.

It was really awesome to just chill the **** out and be a fan/spectator for once. Much love to Linc & Zee for the great job.

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	NOM:	he would use the mirror to check himself out, not stream cheat
	JiNxXx:	<3 much love
	inFeZa:	you deserve to chill out and watch for once!

NOM · Mon, 8th-Oct-2012, 11:50 AM

I liked that the fact they only streamed the finals, because of internet restrictions. its better to be able to comfortably stream when only 1/2 the players are playing it rather than a choppy one with everyone sharing.
and i'm sure it can be casted after the event from replay files.(the matches that weren't shown)

everybody wins!

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inFeZa:

you win

**Baldie** · Mon, 8th-Oct-2012, 12:51 PM

JiNxXx having not been there I won't comment but from the sounds of things you did an amazing job given the circumstances. Alike any job ever in the world, every project is different and unique even if it is a reoccurring event.

If you have no experience in running events, feedback is appreciated but keep it constructive. It would be like somebody who doesn't play SC2 going up to a pro player and saying you played horribly you didn't make these units and didn't engage here.. simply put you don't have the experience to make such a call.

If you have experience in running events, have compassion for the circumstances he started with being a few days out.

It is extremely important event managers and the like take on feedback so we can continuously develop and grow events to make them better and I appreciate people's frustrations when events don't go as they imagine they will. Just don't make us feel like shit because that's when people start walking away.

You live and learn! If there is any way I can support you let me know!
Keep doing what you love mate. Without people like you and the team behind it, event's wouldn't exist in the first place.

EDIT: To NemaR, although your comment wasn't malice by any means and your opinions are 100% valid it just reminded me of some less than objective posts in the past. If an event doesn't deliver on what it said it would then the people running it have to take the punches that come after.. it's part of the job. So don't take this as an attack against you!

**syfChadMann** · Mon, 8th-Oct-2012, 3:50 PM

JiNxX, No one hates TLS - their organisational skills of who ever makes decisions about these tournaments is obviously lacklustre. You said yourself that you were only brought in to solve these glaring issues two days before the event. Also, everyone remembers last year where WCG paid for flights and accommodation and no one knew or had their flights booked until two days before the event. There is no disputing the eSports is a after-thought for these guys and their organisation for it is horrid. However, they manage to get the right people, such as yourself, Norksman, ACL and the other tournament admins involved to save their arse. So they do some things right.

All in all the tournament was very well run - I doubt anyone could really stream cheat. It was hard to get an angle on the projector screen and most of the competitors were facing the other way.

Basically, for how things were on the day - Dox summed it up perfectly. I'll add having LoL on right after was kinda annoying when Tgun was trying to play and LoL nerds were bumping into his chair and shit - I went nuts at them tho..

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ZizLah · Mon, 8th-Oct-2012, 5:59 PM

I was at the EXPO on friday,

Had alot of fun at the event, despite the issues with net, power ect, i could tell that the guys that had anything to do with the tournaments and events where going manic trying to get a good show on. I was disappointed at not having some live casting and not having in game sound up on the projectors, but due to the constraints they where working with it's obvious some of these things where just out of their hands.

But something important i saw and heard though was a group of about 5 people, obviously people funding and running the event as a whole where walking into the e-sport area of the badgery pavillion and i heard the guy giving the tour say, "Now this is where people come to watch other people play games. Personally i dont understand it and think it's a waste of time but some people for some reason watch this kind of thing".
He then turned around and led them out of the pavilion.

If theres anything thats going to tell you exactly where we are in australia with e-sports it's that comment. And it's painfully obvious at the exact moment i heard that, that they really dont understand or give a shit about us. Running the ACL at the event was purely a marketing ploy to advertise on our communities websites, with little to no thought or appreciation from the guys at the top funding these events of what we even are.
In any partnership there is always a "you use me, i'll use you" underlying incentive for the partnership to be feasible in the first place and personally, i believe we got the rough end of the stick.

Side note: Shout out for ninja for being awesome to talk to during the day, and him and his mates for sharing a beer with me at the end of the first day. Made the trip worth it.

And hurry up and post the next dates for the ACL, because i'm coming.

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**iM tgun** · Mon, 8th-Oct-2012, 7:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZizLah

I was at the EXPO on friday,

Had alot of fun at the event, despite the issues with net, power ect, i could tell that the guys that had anything to do with the tournaments and events where going manic trying to get a good show on. I was disappointed at not having some live casting and not having in game sound up on the projectors, but due to the constraints they where working with it's obvious some of these things where just out of their hands.

But something important i saw and heard though was a group of about 5 people, obviously people funding and running the event as a whole where walking into the e-sport area of the badgery pavillion and i heard the guy giving the tour say, "Now this is where people come to watch other people play games. Personally i dont understand it and think it's a waste of time but some people for some reason watch this kind of thing".
He then turned around and led them out of the pavilion.

If theres anything thats going to tell you exactly where we are in australia with e-sports it's that comment. And it's painfully obvious at the exact moment i heard that, that they really dont understand or give a shit about us. Running the ACL at the event was purely a marketing ploy to advertise on our communities websites, with little to no thought or appreciation from the guys at the top funding these events of what we even are.
In any partnership there is always a "you use me, i'll use you" underlying incentive for the partnership to be feasible in the first place and personally, i believe we got the rough end of the stick.

Side note: Shout out for ninja for being awesome to talk to during the day, and him and his mates for sharing a beer with me at the end of the first day. Made the trip worth it.

And hurry up and post the next dates for the ACL, because i'm coming.

Did you swiftly tell him where he could take his opinion?

ZizLah · Mon, 8th-Oct-2012, 9:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iM tgun

Did you swiftly tell him where he could take his opinion?

Sadly theres not alot of point unless i have a nice haircut, some good clothes and a whole bunch of fact sheets in front of me. None of which i had at the time.

If you wanna convince the oldies of the scene you have to bludgeon them with the truth and potential for profit and industry, rather then point out they're ignorant moron's out of touch with reality.
If we're going to bring these guys in, something we may be forced to do if the current climate continues, we're gunna have to work with them, and i'd rather not have them feel like i'd shat in their mouth for fear of missing future opportunity's.

TL : DR no, but i wish i could have.