[Satu]

I feel as if I was just trolled by an admin.

He took a small part from a large post of mine in a thread that had a large amount of really long posts. I couldn't be bothered reading through every reply to the original poster, so I just wrote my own experience. Yet, instead of looking at the context, he misinterprets my meaning and then misquotes me with his own false meaning in an attempt to justify himself.

Is this common? If I have to deal with admins who have the perception of a frog in deciding what is right or wrong, I wont go to the one section of the TL forums I currently go to, the SC2 strategy section. Maybe I can just play the game instead.

[HDPhoenix]

Originally Posted by Zergtastic

I feel as if I was just trolled by an admin.

He took a small part from a large post of mine in a thread that had a large amount of really long posts. I couldn't be bothered reading through every reply to the original poster, so I just wrote my own experience. Yet, instead of looking at the context, he misinterprets my meaning and then misquotes me with his own false meaning in an attempt to justify himself.

Is this common? If I have to deal with admins who have the perception of a frog in deciding what is right or wrong, I wont go to the one section of the TL forums I currently go to, the SC2 strategy section. Maybe I can just play the game instead.

TL grew to its current size because it is heavily moderated with the sole intention of promoting good discussion, not personal opinions. It is very much like ElitistJerks for WoW. Basically, any form of bashing or stating opinions not in the original poster context is frowned upon.

Its not your typical forum. I realize you had your points and opinions but if you state you didnt read what the original post was about, its consider de-railing and on TL, that qualifies for a warning/ban

Its strict, but personally I like it. Keeps things on track

My 2cents

[Satu]

Yeah, you dont know the whole context here or my entire post, so you're assuming I was going off-topic. After I said that small message, I put my opinion of the context towards the original poster. So I was helpful, but couldn't be bothered reading the other 20 messages. Its almost as if I would have achieved more out of not being honest.

Kinda funny to think that in a serious strategy forum, I would have gained something out of not being honest... :P

[Mezza]

well we don't really know the context but chill is one of the hardest working admins setting up the streams and all, so cut him some slack. if you didn't mean anything bad, just chill, breathe and get on with life, everyone makes mistakes.

i'm not saying he's entirely right in what he does, but its hard being an admin, speaking from personal experience, and hey, since when was everything nice and rosy, just hope it won't put you off hanging out on TL.net, cos on a whole its still an awesome place. here too btw.

[Xeen]

TL admins are superb and TL has a great track record in moderation because they are fully willing to slap you for doing something out of line.

Going into a thread and saying 'well I'm not actually going to read' is not a good thing. It's not a habit that should be cultivated or something that should be proliferated. You deserved the warning.

Most threads develop beyond the OP. It's reasonable to read through to see the course of the discussion, or at least not say something as blatant as what amounts to 'tl;dr'.

[Mezza]

continuing on Xeen's train of thought, I've read a post where they've warned people severely not to try to be funny on the site and just be good mannered. and they're known to just ban people for starting off on the wrong foot, and it don't really matter if you're morally right or wrong.

but just a word of caution, don't use the words you did. sometimes there's just too much muck to read through, and even if taken out of context, if you rub off an admin in the wrong way, you'll have a banhammer in your face. after all, they're a big site, they won't lose out if its one more or less of you, but hell, you'd be losing out if you're banned on the site altogether.

[ManCannon]

It's not a nice place, it's where the ugly anal side of sc community congregate and the Admins are random assholes, sc2sea.com is a much healthier community.

[cure]

I'm not going to nitpick and read through all the posts, but heres my experience.

Don't troll.

[nirvAnA]

Yea TL is really strict but its good in that way, keeps lots of idiots/trollers/flamers/lamers away and the content stays clean/good. I dont know the full story in this case but invariably along the way some well meaning posts will become misunderstood/misconstrued.

TL admins do alot of work imo, so yea it could have just been an honest mistake, just shrug if off and dont take it personally.

I disagree with you ManCannon, i think TL is super awesome for the Sc2 community (check out TSL 30k SC2 prize pool!). Yea maybe you have exepreinced the unpleasent side of the site with bad admins or something but i guess you were just unlucky to face those minority of situations. On the whole i love TL and i hope sc2sea one days becomes something like that. Well i think we are already the SEA version of it without the strict moderation enforced yet cause there havent really been anyone out of line apart from 2 people who i was close to banning.

The site is about 4 months old now and I havent actually banned anyone here yet altho i sent out my first warning ever to some1 for some offensive/racist comments in the chatbox yesterday, whereas in TL it would have been an auto ban for life! We are still a small community tho so i hope that players who are warned change their bad posting habits and become decent posters at least.

[deL]

Xeen nailed it - the reason it was a warning and not a ban is actually to help you improve as a poster, and there are countless examples of somoene not reading the context of the thread and posting some absolute rubbish. Warnings are a way of letting you know how things work around there without punishing you for ignorance so you should count yourself lucky!

[Satu]

I usually get bad reputations in any community I enter for critising things I apparently should not be. I was only wondering if the admins were always like this, and from what I've seen, yes, they are. I do not intend to gain anything out of saying this, it was more of my own curiosity.

I dont know how the strategy section follows a train of thought with a progressive discussion either. Usually its a bunch of posters saying achieve X by doing Y. Really, thats what it ends up being like in the game too. You dont 6pool because a group of people spent their time to develop a fast aggressive strategy, you do it because someone decided it was a cool rush. Yet again, they achieved X by doing Y.

Also, Kaz, I dont want to be called a troll already. I think I submit valid opinions to discussions, although this discussion may seem biased.

[Unstable]

Your first mistake was looking at the TL strategy section, unfortunatly ive seen it filled with worse and worse things lately ive stopped looking at it.

[Satu]

Originally Posted by Unstable

Your first mistake was looking at the TL strategy section, unfortunatly ive seen it filled with worse and worse things lately ive stopped looking at it.

To be honest, there are a LOT of people who post with little to no experience, then the diamond level players have to clean it up afterwards and sort right from wrong. A lot of people dont really want to experiment either, and keep to their own styles.

I was shocked to see how many people disagreed with the guy who came up with the 11overpool build and transitions from it. Everyone was picking on the possibilities and how the build could be countered, instead of the many strengths of it. Although it is kinda back and forth between economy and defence, it IS a safer opening. You could be screwed later on though.

[Benji]

Originally Posted by Unstable

Your first mistake was looking at the TL strategy section, unfortunatly ive seen it filled with worse and worse things lately ive stopped looking at it.

I use it for strategy still, I read what people post and do the complete opposite, works wonders!

[kellyMILKIES]

Anyway, nice signature.
Them: "u2"
Me: "is a band"

[Satu]

Originally Posted by kellyMILKIES

Anyway, nice signature.
Them: "u2"
Me: "is a band"

I do that in game heaps for a reason :P

Theres always those people on ladder who dont bother to say gl hf, and then when you eventually go ahead and say it, they just say TWO FKING LETTERS. What better way to to settle the score than to make them type some more about how funny what I just said is.

Yes, Im annoyed by the little things. LOL

Off-topic lulz

[deL]

you should ammend it to say "is a terrible band"

[ManCannon]

I disagree with you ManCannon, i think TL is super awesome for the Sc2 community (check out TSL 30k SC2 prize pool!). Yea maybe you have exepreinced the unpleasent side of the site with bad admins or something but i guess you were just unlucky to face those minority of situations.

I have never had an account there because i know i would butt heads with the admins straight away, not saying they are all bad but i have seen quite a few threads where they abuse\berate people and do exactly what they did to the OP, they nitpick over very small things then grow a huge tampon up their ass and go on a crusade.

[Xeen]

If you create a target of yourself for the admins, then chances are you're doing something stupid.

[Satu]

Originally Posted by Xeen

If you create a target of yourself for the admins, then chances are you're doing something stupid.

I didnt make this discussion really to ask if I was doing something really stupid, more to ask if thats what the admins are like.

[ManCannon]

Most of the time that would be true, but the OP wasn't doing anything stupid and i seen em do it to others. There was a really nasty one where the admin kept attacking this guy's article, it was just a what i like about Protoss type thing, he was just attacking his writing style and being a real **** for no reason.

I guess like you guys have said, trolls\flame\turds don't last very long there, if a few admins abuse or make mistakes it's a small price to pay, it's a forum for a certain type of person and easy to avoid if it doesn't suit you.

[Unstable]

The admins on TL do not tollerate any kind of stupidity, pure and simple. they clearly spell out the forum rules and why they apply. what chill said is exactly correct, why would you enter a thread specifically say that your not going to read any of it but heres what u think.

its like me coming into this thread going.

"im not going to read any of the responses but heres what i think

saying that line at the front is not needed and doesnt add anything to the discussion which is what you were being warned for. which is not unreasonable at all." - but if i read teh whole converstaion, by the time i had typed this many things have been discussed

BY saying that your not being part of the discussion, you said it yourself you couldnt be bothered, and you bring that to the main stage.

If you had simply given your experiences in regards to the OP you never would have gotten a warning. but you specifically stated your lack of interest which is why this happened


TL.net is the biggest Starcraft site outside of korea, and one of the main reason for that is the moderation of the forums.

Chill, was not getting up you, he was simply stating why you were warned.

TL also have on public view every forum ban and the reasoning behind it, it also has a ban appeal process so that admins cant abuse the system.

[ManCannon]

What a load of crap.

[Mezza]

I think you're missing the point here.

I'm gonna take sides with Unstable for what he said because it makes perfect sense. Similar to what HD posted earlier in the thread.

For the sole purpose of healthy discussion. the "i can't be bothered to read" stuff and the latest "what a load of crap" posts can be seen as non productive posts with no added value to readers.

Sure you're entitled to your opinion, but just look at it this way. A few of the admins here and notable names in SC2 have already stated their opinions, and majority of these are congruous. So have you considered that perhaps, just maybe perhaps, that the post could have been a little out of line.

besides, a warning isn't a ban. just take it in your stride and move on, there are much worse things in life to worry about, and much better things to spend your time on.

and the TL.net admins are a pretty hardcore bunch, they would probably have made some significant contribution before they were chosen. that being said, us as random posters on TL wouldn't stand a chance going up against them because at the end of the day if push comes to shove, i'm sure they'd protect their own and you'll probably stand to lose out more in the long run. they've already stated that in their rules post. I'm sure I saw it. so breathe, and live. don't get hung up on the small stuff

[ManCannon]

No man, it was a silly reason to warn\hassle someone. Either way this place throws spaghetti all over their liquid butts so who cares.

[Mezza]

like I said. i think you're missing the point entirely.

I'm glad you feel this way about our site, but even our admins on this site respect TL.net a heckload and feel that they've done a ton of good for the community.

that being said, i'm gonna close the thread before it becomes too retarded.