[iM tgun]

Put your money where your mouth is, you want to say that you can "own" me, $50 bo9. Don't pull the whole "hurr $50 is nothing, let's play for $5k" bullshit. We can play for nothing for all I care. Accept or back down and concede that I'm better than you.

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	nirvAnA:	I'M LOVIN' IT! I know strafe loves betting <3
	Eldrid:
	EveRekanise:	guess strafe is one up at the moment
	Nemo:	Mr Confident is a baller :)
	NvJazBas:
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	ToRSpartaz:	<#
	Bash:
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	Lucien:
	Synizta:	I thinkz Strafe is scared, saw him deny it on tgun's stream ;o
	Xenomorph:	The korean model is back to own SEA ppl :D
	TAScaramanga:	I dont like this at all

[iMSystem]

Casting this shit.

Let's get it ON!

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	Stallion:	YEA BOI YEA BOI YEA BOI
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[TAminimat]

These really lacking now. Azz one was good but now..

[syfChadMann]

You Tube

You Tube

I think its suiting.. GO tgun!

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	VoxMSI.Rogue:	lol i love that video <3
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[iSt]

lol sea fight no 3? 4?

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by iSt

lol sea fight no 3? 4?

pretty sure we're up to SEA fight #6 now

[Eldrid]

tgun bad i beat all the time ()

[ToRDarKnoob]

damn dat smack

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Eldrid:

[EveTechtron]

strafefighting !

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wolf:

[wolf]

Strafe boss man!

[Westley]

Organize it so that you guys go head to head during EvE vs Herocraft kgo

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	wolf:	this guy is handsome
	EveParachute:
	EveLoire:	wow.
	EveJeonSa:
	syfChadMann:	Dota?
	nGenLight:	Dota
	NvPinder:	dota?

[HuT]

tgun 3-0 ez

said it once vs kiwi, gonna say it again!

[EveMassacrisM]

What is this i dont even...

Strafe skool this fool

[inFeZa]

yawn... wheres th action

[GnSMiCron]

i think thats how the term keyboard warrior comes about... nevertheless GO STRAFE GO

[EveLoire]

Strafe!!

[Zealo]

who's strafe? :S

pretty sure i would have heard of him if he has a chance against tgun...

[EveRekanise]

Originally Posted by Zealo

who's strafe? :S

pretty sure i would have heard of him if he has a chance against tgun...

just embarassing yourself now

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[Sedz]

Originally Posted by EveRekanise

just embarassing yourself now

He does this all the time.

Originally Posted by aLtShortizz

Dunno if ur trolling or not. If you are i apologize, if nt, I must say some of ur recent posts are completely retarded.

I wonder how you'd feel if you have to put up with them on a daily basis.

[aLtShortizz]

Originally Posted by Zealo

who's strafe? :S

pretty sure i would have heard of him if he has a chance against tgun...

Dunno if ur trolling or not. If you are i apologize, if nt, I must say some of ur recent posts are completely retarded.

Tgun is definitely one of the best players from sea. But strafe is not push over either, in fact he has been in the top 16 consistently.

Shld be a good match if it happens! Although I feel that tgun is the better player, I'm pretty sure strafe has a good chance if he plays his best!

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Zealo:

[EveParachute]

Dude how could u not know the future first foreign gsl champion?!

[iM yang]

spencer...

[Zealo]

i tend to do that

[Zealo]

i wasn't trolling; stupid comment and i apologise if it offended strafe/anyone else.

still, go tgun!

[PiG]

hehe u guys so funny. Brad show him who's boss :P

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Synizta:

[ZC.EvilSWAT]

My bet's on a tgun win ezpz cos Strafe's units can only move sideways.


...


Well f'**k you too this joke was worth a try.

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	dKiWi:	:D

[Strafe]

I must say this thread did bring out a few good laughs. I particularly enjoyed EvilSWATs attempt to make a clever joke. After I read his **** this shit it actually made laugh

However, I will not be accepting such call outs ever. Nirvana already mentioned that I love bets, which is 100% true. I will take on any _fun_ challenge at any time, even for very large amounts. What Tgun did here is simply not in good spirits at all.

To give a little summary: He beat me twice or maybe even three times on the ladder and then I won the next three or four times in a row. The very first time I dropped mules after he refused to leave, which I always see on GSL and I don't actually see the harm in it(though I do agree now that it is debatable), he rage quit right after. We talked about my manner mules post game and he explained it was bad manner and the reason for his rage quit. I let him know that my manner mules weren't intended to humiliate him and that was that. Then we met again today on the ladder and it went GL HF from both sides. I was planning on doing a 11-11 proxy rax on his third on Korhal, but his overlord pathing was somewhat strange and it spotted the first rax going down quite fast. I decided to skip the second rax and go for a somewhat unorthodox 1 rax expansion. The 1 rax actually ended up taking down his natural to my surprise and after that I simply won the game( all the while I was watching MC vs Genius cuz I had a significant bet riding on it). I had the game won very early on, but took a while to finish. When he finally gave up he rage quit again without my manner mules, so I simply messaged him GG!

Then he told me im a cheesy ****** and to stfu and then he ignored me. Fair enough. Two games later I meet him again and he's protoss. I simply 1-1-1 him, cuz that's what I do to people I want to rape, and expanded to his natural and then he calls me a ******* asshole once again. I didnt reply at all that game, even though he insulted me a random number of times. He finally left saying I sucked badly and that I would never beat him ever. Which is kinda ironic since I just did... three times. He goes on by throwing random insults to my face which I reply to in a fun way by slighting jabbing at him. As a result he is tilted so much that he feels the need to create this thread, probably knowing perfectly well that I'd not accept.

I have very little respect for players that show pure immature rage and I do not see any reason to accept your challenge. If Tgun showed me some class and made this challenge as a jest or as a fair competitor I would gladly accept. Since he made this trying to prove his ego to whomever he feels it's necessary I have no desire to oblige him. I am not someone who thinks he is the very best as opposed to some players like SenSei or apparently Tgun. I know my place quite well and there are a multitude of better players than I. I will also never be the best player, not even if I tried my utmost. I simply enjoy this game a lot and I love to compete and sometimes I get decent results.

Noteworthy is that he said YOU AND ME BO9 50$ GO! and then ignored me on b.net, so I couldn't even reply. I'm quite sure that by tomorrow when he reads this he will feel somewhat silly.

Sorry to all who wanted to see a grudgematch going down. I definitely hope I can oblige you in the future with a showmatch between me and a higher caliber player

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	Fenner:
	iSt:
	neon:
	Zepph:
	Stallion:	fair enough then
	syfChadMann:	I like it all, but the stab at Sensei - Sensei v Strafe Show match?.. kgo
	nirvAnA:	thanks for sharing your PoV!! We learn so much more when we get to hear both sides!
	TAXanT:
	asdfSchnitzel:
	EveParachute:
	Celldweller:	go for the throat
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	EveRekanise:	much wisdom
	mGMUSE:
	QEDJenkins:
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[NvPinder]

Tbh great post by Strafe(re: not doing grudgematches) and pretty much the reason I try to steer clear of grudge matches too. Although I find it hard to believe some of it wasn't at least somewhat bias :P.

Originally Posted by Strafe

I am not someone who thinks he is the very best as opposed to some players like SenSei

******* take that Carmichael.

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	LoRDo:	If someone calls you out why not step up and play?
	EveRekanise:
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	deL:

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by Strafe

I must say this thread did bring out a few good laughs. I particularly enjoyed EvilSWATs attempt to make a clever joke. After I read his **** this shit it actually made laugh
(...)
Sorry to all who wanted to see a grudgematch going down. I definitely hope I can oblige you in the future with a showmatch between me and a higher caliber player

Why we never see such things on stream ? You guys have a tendency to behave like kids but those stories are really entertaining. I like reading them.

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by Strafe

I have very little respect for players that show pure immature rage and I do not see any reason to accept your challenge. If Tgun showed me some class and made this challenge as a jest or as a fair competitor I would gladly accept. Since he made this trying to prove his ego to whomever he feels it's necessary I have no desire to oblige him. I am not someone who thinks he is the very best as opposed to some players like SenSei or apparently Tgun. I know my place quite well and there are a multitude of better players than I. I will also never be the best player, not even if I tried my utmost. I simply enjoy this game a lot and I love to compete and sometimes I get decent results.

Too far

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FaDeBadger:

agreed

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by Strafe

What Tgun did here is simply not in good spirits at all.

Really? What a surprise.

Originally Posted by Strafe

To give a little summary: He beat me twice or maybe even three times on the ladder and then I won the next three or four times in a row. The very first time I dropped mules after he refused to leave, which I always see on GSL and I don't actually see the harm in it(though I do agree now that it is debatable),

I love the defense that "The Koreans do it, so it can't be bm!". How is dropping mules / dancing marines / etc, essentially saying "get out" not bad mannered?

Originally Posted by Strafe

he rage quit right after.

Rage-quitting and not gging are two different things.

Originally Posted by Strafe

We talked about my manner mules post game and he explained it was bad manner and the reason for his rage quit. I let him know that my manner mules weren't intended to humiliate him and that was that. Then we met again today on the ladder and it went GL HF from both sides. I was planning on doing a 11-11 proxy rax on his third on Korhal, but his overlord pathing was somewhat strange and it spotted the first rax going down quite fast. I decided to skip the second rax and go for a somewhat unorthodox 1 rax expansion. The 1 rax actually ended up taking down his natural to my surprise and after that I simply won the game( all the while I was watching MC vs Genius cuz I had a significant bet riding on it). I had the game won very early on, but took a while to finish. When he finally gave up he rage quit again without my manner mules, so I simply messaged him GG!

Solid attempt at a concealed brag (Omg, I beat him while paying little attention!) and still dodging the match attempt.

Originally Posted by Strafe

Then he told me im a cheesy ****** and to stfu and then he ignored me. Fair enough. Two games later I meet him again and he's protoss. I simply 1-1-1 him, cuz that's what I do to people I want to rape, and expanded to his natural and then he calls me a ******* asshole once again. I didnt reply at all that game, even though he insulted me a random number of times. He finally left saying I sucked badly and that I would never beat him ever. Which is kinda ironic since I just did... three times. He goes on by throwing random insults to my face which I reply to in a fun way by slighting jabbing at him. As a result he is tilted so much that he feels the need to create this thread, probably knowing perfectly well that I'd not accept.

No, you tried to dodge by saying "$50 is nothing, why not do $5k?" When you very well known that $5k is way out of my reach. If I could get anyone to stake it I'd take this in a heartbeat, because there's honestly, very little (to no) chance of me losing to y ou, but you don't risk that much when your actual bankroll isn't that much. I'm fine doing it for nothing. You wanted to call me bad, say that you can "troll noobs like me" and then when called on it you backpedal and say "LOL I TROL U". Nice.

Originally Posted by Strafe

I have very little respect for players that show pure immature rage and I do not see any reason to accept your challenge. If Tgun showed me some class and made this challenge as a jest or as a fair competitor I would gladly accept. Since he made this trying to prove his ego to whomever he feels it's necessary I have no desire to oblige him. I am not someone who thinks he is the very best as opposed to some players like SenSei or apparently Tgun. I know my place quite well and there are a multitude of better players than I. I will also never be the best player, not even if I tried my utmost. I simply enjoy this game a lot and I love to compete and sometimes I get decent results.

I couldn't give less of a damn if you respect me, if you're going to shit-talk, back it up.

Originally Posted by Strafe

Noteworthy is that he said YOU AND ME BO9 50$ GO! and then ignored me on b.net, so I couldn't even reply. I'm quite sure that by tomorrow when he reads this he will feel somewhat silly.

Sorry to all who wanted to see a grudgematch going down. I definitely hope I can oblige you in the future with a showmatch between me and a higher caliber player

Nope, I left you unblocked while you were just stating how you're better than me, then I got sick of you and blocked you knowing you frequent this site. Nice attempt at dodging while trying to remain a feeling of superiority.

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	FaDeBadger:	He mad, but he right!
	Bash:
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[Nemo]

You forgot Roz.

Nice, nice, more fuel. Let's involve more people in this to make it last 10 pages. Targa is obviously not to that level unless we're speaking of 4v4.

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EveVendetta:

rozzy roz

[KFCrumpet]

oh snap. Strafe for first world president!

[LoRDo]

Sounds like a dodge.
lololol

Come on make this match happen!

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	Bash:	definitely
	NvPinder:	terrible post.
	simon:	tsk tsk
	Celldweller:
	EveRekanise:	there are no stupid comments, just stupid people
	wolf:	exception for this case reka

[simon]

stick to your convictions strafe

[Champi]

leave my dear sensei alone please sir

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	Mayo:
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	asdfSchnitzel:
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[|Erasmus|]

Strafe was doing well right up until the whole "I'll be happy to play a showmatch against some better"...

If you're going to complain about how you don't do these things, at least do it right.

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NvPinder:

showmatch =/= grudgematch. re-read his post.

[NvJazBas]

Originally Posted by Strafe

I had the game won very early on, but took a while to finish. When he finally gave up he rage quit again without my manner mules, so I simply messaged him GG!

Dude. You don't msg "gg" after someone rage quits. Think deeply to yourself what your really trying to say. Are you REALLY trying to say GOOD GAME? Rage quit is not even close to being as BM as msging "gg" after your opponent rage quits. You can tell your opponent is frustrated, you don't need to rub it in their face.

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	SLCN.Kez:	Very true
	Mayo:
	Stallion:	this is true
	nGenLight:	yep
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	LoRDo:	that is true
	pRoTimber:	true
	xGKingdelete:
	mGMUSE:	Perfect Human knows best
	Synizta:	Perfect Human strikes again.
	AxSGRiM:
	deL:

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by xGKingJazBas

Dude. You don't msg "gg" after someone rage quits. Think deeply to yourself what your really trying to say. Are you REALLY trying to say GOOD GAME? Rage quit is not even close to being as BM as msging "gg" after your opponent rage quits. You can tell your opponent is frustrated, you don't need to rub it in their face.

You're way too manner, if someone doesn't gg me, i needle the shit out of them. Usually with a "chin up slugga" or the classic, messaging them "gg" afterwards.

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	TABiggun:
	mGMUSE:	too badass

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by TAJPMoney:

showmatch =/= grudgematch. re-read his post.

Only difference is it's proposed by someone with a reason to want to beat you...

if he really won't accept tgun challenging him to a grudge match for calling him bad, then I'll sponsor a showmatch between tgun and strafe to let them sort it out, since we're apparently fine with that.

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nirvAnA:

cool initiave but money means nothing to strafe he had a 15k bet on Genius vs MC btw

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

Only difference is it's proposed by someone with a reason to want to beat you...

if he really won't accept tgun challenging him to a grudge match for calling him bad, then I'll sponsor a showmatch between tgun and strafe to let them sort it out, since we're apparently fine with that.

I think you're still missing the whole point of his post - he has nothing to prove and doesn't really care.

BM get's thrown around the upper level of ladder all the time after games, half of it is from big ego's, half is from people trying to needle people who are clearly annoyed they lost to you for the fun of it. This is the first case where I've seen random ladder BM (which it looks like both cases were involved in tbh), brought to a forum.

Don't get me wrong, I understand both sides of it, Tgun is clearly annoyed that strafe decided to needle him after he lost to him, which was a consequence of tgun leaving without GGing. Obviously this built up over a couple of games, and managed to piss tgun off enough that he's decided to "call out" strafe publicly (which again, I've literally never seen happen over random ladder BM, lol), to which strafe's basic reaction was "lol" (hence his rep comment before he posted).

The thread managed to get big enough that Strafe decided he should at least give his recap of what the hell led to this post (which I still think is probably awfully biased, but we will never know). And him replying with his belief that 'grudge matches' are for people with e-peens so large that they feel like slapping them together till one goes limp. He doesn't care if people think Tgun is better than him, and in his post he tries to make it as obvious as possible what he thinks of people whose egos are far too big for their own good, and that he tries to keep his as small as possible.

My basic understanding of events:
1) tgun and strafe ladder a bunch of times, BM each other in the most standard of standard ways you'd see almost every day on ladder.
2) Tgun gets fairly mad and makes a forum post calling out strafe
3) Strafe responds saying he's not interested in grudge matches.

And his last line about saying he would gladly play a showmatch with anyone better, is him saying he doesn't hate the idea of showmatches, and would love a showmatch with someone where both players are going into it just for the fun of play a bo9 with another good player where the community gets to enjoy good games. But under the circumstances tgun proposed this it's more of a "I HATE YOU I WANT TO BEAT YOU SO EVERYONE KNOWS IM BETTER THAN YOU!" style of thing. And his line about "anyone better" is just him needling tgun some more because he can.

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	SLCN.Kez:	"And him replying with his belief that 'grudge matches' are for people with e-peens so large that they feel like slapping them together till one goes limp." LOL
	JaFF:
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[|Erasmus|]

And my opinion is that people should lay off the needling others unless they want to deal with the consequences. If anyone wants to claim they are better than someone else (even just to needle them) they should be willing to man up and play a legit series against them, money or no money.

Claiming to be 'above' such things, but not above BM and just childishly trolling them in general is not cool in my books.

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

And my opinion is that people should lay off the needling others unless they want to deal with the consequences. If anyone wants to claim they are better than someone else (even just to needle them) they should be willing to man up and play a legit series against them, money or no money.

Claiming to be 'above' such things, but not above BM and just childishly trolling them in general is not cool in my books.

In that case you guys at sc2sea might wanna hold off on the tournaments for a few months because pretty much everyone in the top 200 has about 150 grudge matches to settle first.

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|Erasmus|:

I only mean it as if someone wants to call you out on it.

[AxSGRiM]

He's gonna rape like he raped Kawaii.

[KFCrumpet]

grudge matches should involve playing off races to prove who is really better. Then follow it up with a game of chess, and a couple of rounds of FFA MMA (chairs allowed)

[TargA]

ima call out that **** Revenant, he be typing bad shit to me and shit and not recognising me as a better player and i get butthurt cause i get butthurt.

250$ showmatch incoming.

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	x5.Revenant:	Here's a Can of Butthurt in your rep! <3
	Celldweller:
	deL:	targay

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by TargA

ima call out that **** Revenant, he be typing bad shit to me and shit and not recognising me as a better player and i get butthurt cause i get butthurt.

250$ showmatch incoming.

You guys have a very close relationship.

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mGMUSE:

[syfChadMann]

I'll play with you tgun - its alright...

[simon]

tgun making a mountain out of a mole hill and strafe polite as he can be is declining.

[inFeZa]

This thread isn't producing the sufficient action i expected.

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LoRDo:

[simon]

needs more tgun follow up posts infeza

[nGenLight]

need to hear tguns side of the story.

right now I feel like we are seeing tgun at his "I don't lose to this guy" eogtistical side, and from personal experience Strafe isn't one to be pushed around either.

who cares about manner, if you don't like each other no need to gg, go ahead manner mule dance ling.

and LOL wtf at random shot at andrew.

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TAEdgE:

you drinking again

[ROOT`iaguz]

Originally Posted by xGKingLight

need to hear tguns side of the story.

right now I feel like we are seeing tgun at his "I don't lose to this guy" eogtistical side, and from personal experience Strafe isn't one to be pushed around either.

who cares about manner, if you don't like each other no need to gg, go ahead manner mule dance ling.

and LOL wtf at random shot at andrew.

It's tgun. Have you ever played him?

[Mayo]

That's a lot of failed quotes

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by Mayo

That's a lot of failed quotes

I don't see any failed quotes, anywhere. Nope. They never happened. Ever.

Edit: He also tries to say that he's positive against me, when I have SC2Gears saying that I'm either 3-3 or 5-1 against him, depending on which replay source I open.

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	Mayo:	!!!!
	pRoTimber:

[Eldrid]

The word "dodge" needs to be used more imho

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by Eldrid

The word "dodge" needs to be used more imho

Don't be dodging the use of that word please.

[nirvAnA]

Yea obviously Strafe's PoV is somewhat biased but it at least shows his side of the story which we never knew before! Disappointed that there is no match (Boo!!) but Strafe was polite and declined as respectively as possible and I really liked his post! You guys might not believe it but its not about money to strafe its about principal and he LOVES making bets (he had 15k riding on MC vs Genius) Although to add to that imo Tgun is definitely at least top 5 whole of SEA so theres at the very most just 4 more "higher caliber" players than him Strafe!

Anyway I need to implement the Mj popcorn smiley



brb gonna find it. Update: Found it!

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	Stallion:	i approve of this :D
	LoRDo:	thanks for the smiley :D
	TAXanT:	That actually made me laugh out loud, +1 to you sir.

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

Yea obviously Strafe's PoV is somewhat biased but it at least shows his side of the story which we never knew before! Disappointed that there is no match (Boo!!) but Strafe was polite and declined as respectively as possible.

Close thread then, I spose.

[|Erasmus|]

I'd hate to see Strafe do something disrespectfully if continuing to call people bad is "as respectfully as possible".

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	nirvAnA:	haha point taken!
	FaDeBadger:	Bingo, if you're gonna be bm just admit it
	pRoTimber:

[simon]

tgun you seem awefully precious. if some silly post game internet banter can get you this riled up.

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	Criven:	Not on
	TAriiChard:	c-c-c-comboooo breaker!
	wolf:
	EveMassacrisM:
	deL:	Princess Bradley <3

[Sedz]

This thread needs more angst.

imo, both stop being bitches and man up to the challenge.

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	breadfan:	The pot needs to be stirred!
	Zealo:

[Strafe]

Imo tgun isn't even close to top 5 in sea:

Better players in no particular order are:
- Inf
- Moonglade
- YoonYJ
- Pig
- Enderr
- Westley
- iceiceice
- RedArchon
- TArossi
- aGsChobo
- BalloonSPR Still a lot better, but Korean so doesn't count
- Pokerface
- Mafia
- Yekke
- Jazbas
- Iaguz
- Edge Originally Pinder was on this spot, but Edge got jelly he wasn't on the list regardless of the disclaimer.
- Deth
_______ Edit_______
- TAChadMan

And so on. I still left out many names, so don't be upset if you aren't mentioned.

Pinder is right. I needled Tgun in my post a few more times. It might be bad manner, so my post was definitely not as polite as can be, but I did try to explain the situation and my point of view as clearly as possible without restriction myself to a few more jabs at tguns expense. I randomly threw Sensei in there as I consider him one of the worst sports out there, but he thinks he has the biggest dick ever. I rarely see anyone that arrogant fail that hard. Yet he gets a ton of respect so I thought I'd compare it to tgun. Maybe that wasn't very nice of me either, but I'm far from a saint.

I dodged you tgun! Sorry. Do you want me to upload the 3 replays I have of me crushing you now, so that you cannot go on claiming the record is 5-1. Which btw is a hilarious stat to post considering you lost twice in a row on stream in front of all the 7 people watching you.

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	TAEdgE:	why is pinder there
	syfChadMann:	y no ChadMann? #7 Protoss in Australia (at ACL) TROLOLOL
	Flaunt:	100% agree. no idea why people think so highly of tgun. all he does is make infestors and go 2-2 lings asap. he'll drop off the radar soon.
	AxSGRiM:	If he isn't top 5 then go accept the challenge.

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by Strafe

Imo tgun isn't even close to top 5 in sea:

Better players in no particular order are:
- Inf
- Moonglade
- YoonYJ
- Pig
- Enderr
- Westley
- iceiceice
- RedArchon
- TArossi
- aGsChobo
- BalloonSPR Still a lot better, but Korean so doesn't count
- Pokerface
- Mafia
- Yekke
- Jazbas
- Iaguz
- Edge Originally Pinder was on this spot, but Edge got jelly he wasn't on the list regardless of the disclaimer.
- Deth
_______ Edit_______
- TAChadMan

And so on. I still left out many names, so don't be upset if you aren't mentioned.

Solid effort to troll here kid

Originally Posted by Strafe

Pinder is right. I needled Tgun in my post a few more times. It might be bad manner, so my post was definitely not as polite as can be, but I did try to explain the situation and my point of view as clearly as possible without restriction myself to a few more jabs at tguns expense. I randomly threw Sensei in there as I consider him one of the worst sports out there, but he thinks he has the biggest dick ever. I rarely see anyone that arrogant fail that hard. Yet he gets a ton of respect so I thought I'd compare it to tgun. Maybe that wasn't very nice of me either, but I'm far from a saint.

Just want to point out I don't care about manner.

Originally Posted by Strafe

I dodged you tgun! Sorry. Do you want me to upload the 3 replays I have of me crushing you now, so that you cannot go on claiming the record is 5-1. Which btw is a hilarious stat to post considering you lost twice in a row on stream in front of all the 7 people watching you.

Like I said, I have two folders, one saying 5-1 and one saying 3-3. Combined, that is 8-4. I thought you were good at poker; doesn't that mean you're good at math?

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by Strafe

- Edge Originally Pinder was on this spot, but Edge got jelly he wasn't on the list regardless of the disclaimer.

I have tiny balls.

Originally Posted by TAJPMoney

I have tiny balls.

Just makes my huge penis look even bigger.

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[x5.Revenant]

Originally Posted by Strafe

Imo tgun isn't even close to top 5 in sea:

Better players in no particular order are:
- Inf
- Moonglade
- YoonYJ
- Pig
- Enderr
- Westley
- iceiceice
- RedArchon
- TArossi
- aGsChobo
- BalloonSPR Still a lot better, but Korean so doesn't count
- Pokerface
- Mafia
- Yekke
- Jazbas
- Iaguz
- Edge Originally Pinder was on this spot, but Edge got jelly he wasn't on the list regardless of the disclaimer.
- Deth
_______ Edit_______
- TAChadMan

And so on. I still left out many names, so don't be upset if you aren't mentioned.

Pinder is right. I needled Tgun in my post a few more times. It might be bad manner, so my post was definitely not as polite as can be, but I did try to explain the situation and my point of view as clearly as possible without restriction myself to a few more jabs at tguns expense. I randomly threw Sensei in there as I consider him one of the worst sports out there, but he thinks he has the biggest dick ever. I rarely see anyone that arrogant fail that hard. Yet he gets a ton of respect so I thought I'd compare it to tgun. Maybe that wasn't very nice of me either, but I'm far from a saint.

I dodged you tgun! Sorry. Do you want me to upload the 3 replays I have of me crushing you now, so that you cannot go on claiming the record is 5-1. Which btw is a hilarious stat to post considering you lost twice in a row on stream in front of all the 7 people watching you.

I thought you loved me

[ROOT`iaguz]

Balloon's Korean why is he on that list!?

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syfChadMann:

obv a list of people that have beaten him lately >.<

[TABiggun]

Originally Posted by xGKingiaguz

Balloon's Korean why is he on that list!?

kekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekeke kekekekekekekekekeke

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mGMUSE:

LOL i see what you did there

[TAminimat]

I like strafe.

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simon:

i like strafe too

[nirvAnA]

chadmann the only protoss in that list.. rising star watchout SEA!

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syfChadMann:

BAHAHAHAHAA

[TAEdgE]

hahaha, pinder wasn't too happy with the rep comment

[syfMiley]

There's always the huge balls small cock / small balls huge cock question. What would you rather have Mr Strafe?

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mGGDaedalus:

TIL balls and cock are inversely proportional

[iM yang]

i feel cut

[Strafe]

Rev & yang are you both saying you are better than tgun? I feel some 50$ call outs coming up.

[Nemo]

Strafe denied us a grudge match but provided 2 potential others.

Mate, just do that grudge BO9 and be sure to do any BM manner mules, marine dance and offensive "" that you can. The people want show and BLOOD.

SC2 the new gladiator arena.

[sheepy]

Hahahaha Strafe. What a boss.

Though i kinda feel that manner mules are something that's pretty much expected and not generally considered BM,

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nirvAnA:

wow hi fellow admin first post in 1 year!

[simon]

if you think manner mules are highly offensive then i feel sorry for you

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by simon

if you think manner mules are highly offensive then i feel sorry for you

If you don't think they're bad mannered, I feel sorry for you

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|Erasmus|:

You wouldn't call them manner mules if they weren't...

[TABiggun]

Originally Posted by tgun

If you don't think they're bad mannered, I feel sorry for you

If you don't think that no gging after every game in a best of X series is bm, then I feel sorry for you

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x5.Revenant:

[TAriiChard]

Originally Posted by tgun

If you don't think they're bad mannered, I feel sorry for you

He' saying that it's not as bad as you may make it to be...

[Snx.Mufasa]

call someone bad, then decline their grudge match.

makes sense.

[ROOT`iaguz]

You're saying you've never danced your lings tgun?

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by xGKingiaguz

You're saying you've never danced your lings tgun?

I dance my lings like, super early game when they're just sitting idle, but I don't dance them to poke fun at anyone. I've done it to people I consider pretty good friends, and I've done it to people who've bmed me, but not out of spite to someone who "wouldn't leave"

[Zealo]

i think staying in a game you can't win is more bm than dancing lings or manner mules/nexus/whatever

[simon]

this is getting ridiculous. you are acting like they just slept with your daughter when in reality manner muling/dancing/pre gg/no gg is the tamest of tame when it comes to "bm" to even think that its extremely offensive or very bad mannered is ludicrous. can we all get a reality check please?

this applies 10 fold on ladder...

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NvPinder:

Pretty much agree 100% with this

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by simon

this is getting ridiculous. you are acting like they just slept with your daughter when in reality manner muling/dancing/pre gg/no gg is the tamest of tame when it comes to "bm" to even think that its extremely offensive or very bad mannered is ludicrous. can we all get a reality check please?

this applies 10 fold on ladder...

You just accepted that it's bm, and yet, you're still trying to tell me it's wrong to call bm, bm?

Like, really? You're an idiot mate. I never said it was extremely bm: I just said it was bm, and that if you don't think so, you're an idiot. It doesn't matter _how_ bm it is. It's like talking to a damn brick wall.

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	Snx.Mufasa:

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by tgun

You just accepted that it's bm, and yet, you're still trying to tell me it's wrong to call bm, bm?

Like, really? You're an idiot mate. I never said it was extremely bm: I just said it was bm, and that if you don't think so, you're an idiot. It doesn't matter _how_ bm it is. It's like talking to a damn brick wall.

tgun just ignore him, this guy constantly trolls and tries to stir the pot,

p.s. dont insult brick walls

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	simon:	not sure how im trolling
	iM yang:	#1 guys calm down its only bm #2 STOP TROLLLINGGGGG
	NvPinder:	.

[TAriiChard]

Originally Posted by Arnor@CityHunter

tgun just ignore him, this guy constantly trolls and tries to stir the pot,

p.s. dont insult brick walls

Dude from my understanding all he's saying is that we shouldn't take BM so seriously. If everyone made a thread after being BM'd then we'd have a billion threads.... How is he trolling and stirring the pot? The pot was stirred when tgun made the thread, when people egged the two players to play each other, and when other names were thrown into the argument.

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	syfChadMann:	yeah.. Clam down people!
	simon:	here i was thinking i was speaking a foreign language!

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by TAriiChard

Dude from my understanding all he's saying is that we shouldn't take BM so seriously. If everyone made a thread after being BM'd then we'd have a billion threads.... How is he trolling and stirring the pot? The pot was stirred when tgun made the thread, when people egged the two players to play each other, and when other names were thrown into the argument.

Im not going to go through all the threads ive seen him do this but I can think of 3 threads in the last 1-2 weeks where he has aimed insults at somebody to try and spark life back into topic

go back and look at the posts has simon made in this thread, most add nothing to the topic and were purely and simply insults directed towards tgun,

I respect that you stick up for your friends/clan mates, just as Im sticking up for mine

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FaDeBadger:

[syfChadMann]

"TAChadMann: yeah.. Clam down people!"

Wow.. best typo ever.. CLAM DOWN MOTHER F******!.....

But really.. BM doesn't mean much - sticks and stones yo... This is the kinda stuff we all learnt to deal with in primary school.. names and silly keyboard warrior crap. What does it matter? lets all just build a bridge!

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	iMSystem:	Seriously, just clam down
	simon:	mmmm clam
	nirvAnA:	+1 to bridges!

[syfChadMann]

My Favourite kinda Bridge....

+ Show +

These goats - doesn't afraid..

You Tube

You Tube

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	nirvAnA:	OMG IS THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENING LOLLLLLL
	PiG:

[rizE]

you lot wouldn't last 1 scrim in a game like CS, this banter is mild

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	iMSystem:	Only sensible thing posted so far
	simon:	#scrim
	sooie:	zomg miles rize yah???

[Sedz]

>makes public thread on forums
>complains when people tell him he's overreacting
>mfw

[Strafe]

I don't want to antagonize things, but Rev and Yang just claimed to be a lot better than you. Are you going to take that?

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by Strafe

I don't want to antagonize things, but Rev and Yang just claimed to be a lot better than you. Are you going to take that?

Didn't claim they were better than me, they were cut from you leaving them out of your cool kids club list. They've also never overly talked shit to, or about me, and I have a hell of a lot more respect for them than you.

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x5.Revenant:

Love you too~ :]

[neKo]

I like this thread

[mGGDaedalus]

This thread is 5 pages long and so far no one's grudge matching anyone I am dissappoint.

[nGenLight]

Timber: Being nice/respectable on the forums, but not in the games doesn't make us fake. It just makes us not severely pissed off/frustrated after a loss.

If someone can anger me as much on the forums as in ladder games, you betcha me and beard won't appear very nice.

No one is trying to pretend to be a good guy. I find showing emotions to be absolutely fine, although could be avoidable. Just remember to apologize when you are calm and realise your anger was irrational.

I've been a **** to you in ladder games but I made sure at the end of it all, when I was calm, to apologize to you. I'm sure one day when Beard stops being angry for being so hairy he would too .

Complete off-topic mode off.

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mGMUSE:

Very wise about the showing emotions part

[syfChadMann]

Just putting this out there.. and maybe after a few drinks.. but.. pretty sure.. I'm better than tgun..
why don't we have a show match Mr tgun?.. everyone wants one after all.. I'll oblige you.
COME AT ME BRO!?


But really, lets just get over it..

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LordByrnsy:

Go for it Chaddy!!! WE TRUST U!

[TAminimat]

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

Just putting this out there.. and maybe after a few drinks.. but.. pretty sure.. I'm better than tgun..
why don't we have a show match Mr tgun?.. everyone wants one after all.. I'll oblige you.
COME AT ME BRO!?


But really, lets just get over it..

I challenge you to a $8 show match after 10 shots, all in the space of 5 mins and on camera so no cheats. Pussy lets go.

[[TA]LoSt]

Originally Posted by TAminimat

I challenge you to a $8 show match after 10 shots, all in the space of 5 mins and on camera so no cheats. Pussy lets go.

This guy..

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ZC.EvilSWAT:

WE WANT GRUDGE MATCH LETS GO

[TAEdgE]

oh my god haha

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	SungInSPR:	<3
	nirvAnA:	I just loled at your profile description

[ProAnnn]

Can't have 1 week without drama Nice Job Tgun! Looking forward to next week's drama.

[Sats]

I think personally its bad mannered to not leave a game when you've clearly lost, and any taunting from the opposing player is acceptable.

Tgun I think you're a better player than him, strafe knows it, why do you think he took the opportunity to stick it in your face that he beat you a few times?

Id love to see the bo9

Well played strafe

[TAminimat]

You starting with me Lost? I'll take you on you BM ph4gg0t.

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ZC.EvilSWAT:

Git 'im!

[rizE]

sup sooie, another cser ?

[nirvAnA]

I just want to add that apart from not have the best of what i will classify "battle.net manner", when it comes down to the important matters tgun is a gentleman. He refuses to take walkover wins and is always is willing to inconvenience himself to postpone / reschedule the match on behalf of the other player.

it happened vs pig when he pig couldn't make the ace match 2 week ago and even now, against his "rival" strafe where many bitter words were exchanged between the two - and strafe who suddenly wasn't able to play, tgun gladly postponed the match. much respect to tgun for that and yea i'm really looking forward to the match up!!!!!

[Xeen]

lol SEA drama

I wish I was around to cast some grudge matches.

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	Maynarde:	Wish you were around too
	nirvAnA:	COME BACK