[Paroxysm]

This morning I played a ZvT on the NA server, and the for the first time in quite some time I was confronted by a terran player who claimed that zerg was easy to play.

EDIT: THIS IS THE REAL LINK
It occurs towards the end of this game: http://www.sc2sea.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=351

I recommend the watch, as its a slightly different view from the norm (Zerg hating on Terran ahaha) and made me roflmao.

Paroxysm

[Xenomorph]

I think you linked wrong game =S In this game your opponent went banshee/viking on backwater gulch and lost to correct hydra/muta counter (wp btw) and he said ggwp at the end. I want to see some fail NA trolling T_T

[Paroxysm]

haha fixed it up

[Xenomorph]

wow that guy so BM.....he srsly does need to l2p by atleast not letting himself get 1k minerals while doing a 2 rax and getting the bunker down...............wp paroxysm

[AlphaWhale]

NA talks a lot more than SEA. I've gotten heaps of stories like that. Zergs saying nice all-in/cheese when I go 14/14 and they open hatch first and let me kill their nat with splings.

My favourite was a 35 minute game vs a 3 base protoss who pushed me with a 1/0/0 death ball and had a little sook about it.

They're a proud people.

[Paroxysm]

Haha yeah, it wasnt that bad, but it made me laugh that on NA, Terran whines about Zerg.. on SEA its vice versa.. You rarely see terran whine about zerg here.

[|Erasmus|]

I get trolled just as hard on SEA... probably more a lot of the time.

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One player was awesome. Played Z against me, then raged hard about how weak zerg is when he ran all his banelings into my tanks and left my bio alive to kill him. The usual stuff about how zerg takes infinitely more skill and he switched from P because he wanted to only win based off merit.
I then ran into him playing P last night, then raged hard at me about just how OP T is and even P is pathetically weak in comparison.

My next game was against a Z player who opened with '**** you terran' and asked me to apologise for playing T. So I bunker rushed him and killed his nat and he rage quit.

NA I just get all-ined every game, and most of the time it's executed really badly.

[Paroxysm]

I also noticed that on NA i get all-ined most games, if not all, and yes their execution is incredibly bad, but I guess thats just what happens when there is a larger player base.. NA Diamond is faaaaaaaaaaaar easier than that of SEA. But beyond that I'm not too sure... Ultimately though, trolling occurs in all areas of the game, I just thought it was funny that an opposite form of trolling occurred

[deL]

I don't get it? Zerg is easy...

[FSDarkNemesis]

Well It's not easy to play Zerg from the start because you're pretty much vulnerable because you can't wall. But once you expand many bases late game, Zerg Then becomes WAY easy and scary to the point that it's not even freaking funny. It's like, well.....you know. I did play zerg abit in season 1 and struggled early game and more often I lost. But the ones i won, it's because I expanded in many places.

For the ragers and the BM guys, sucks to be them, seriously. They lose more than what the opposite sides gain.

[FSDarkNemesis]

By the way, just looked through the replay. And yes, Who woulld think that zerg is easy?? It's APM intensive! Especially if somebody is rushing to contain you and your response is massive numbers of lings and backup Mutas.

I think that was a Cheese Fail with a Bunker Rush. I think we should get this on When Cheese Fails.

[Paroxysm]

Haha we could . It did take a fair bit of APM to do that, I was quite proud of myself to be honest.. Moved faster than ever .

[Aean(:]

Originally Posted by Paroxysm

Haha yeah, it wasnt that bad, but it made me laugh that on NA, Terran whines about Zerg.. on SEA its vice versa.. You rarely see terran whine about zerg here.

wrong. i whine about zerg all day here in SEA -__- they so op

[Paroxysm]

Originally Posted by Aean(:

wrong. i whine about zerg all day here in SEA -__- they so op

Originally Posted by Paroxysm

Haha yeah, it wasnt that bad, but it made me laugh that on NA, Terran whines about Zerg.. on SEA its vice versa.. You rarely see terran whine about zerg here.

I included the rarely for you Aean

[aztecx]

I versed a toss on NA who tried proxy 10 10 into 4gate and then proceeded to cry about how OP zerg was. This was during the time when 4gates were just stupidly OP.

[Meatex]

I had a NA P rage at me for 1 hour after my 6 pool owned his cannon rush cheese
It was the funniest thing as he just kept saying the same uncreative insult over and over
He tried to challenge me to a rm but I said only if he could come up with a more creative insult
....
he said no :P

Another T raged at me for going mutas to counter his marauder tank composition - he actually claimed that Z tech switch OP haha

[Makra]

I rage about TvZ all the time, but usually I prevent myself from bm'ing the other player, unless they're cheesing . I think playing as zerg vs terran is easy myself, because I know the weaknesses of terran, and exploit that when I play ZvT.

Originally Posted by aztecx

I versed a toss on NA who tried proxy 10 10 into 4gate and then proceeded to cry about how OP zerg was. This was during the time when 4gates were just stupidly OP.

Well obviously if zerg can beat an OP 4gate then zerg are even more OP, herp derp :P

[Xeen]

Being bad at Starcraft and bad mannered isn't trolling, it's being stupid. I think SEA is pretty much equal to NA on that one, but SEA people are quieter, so you notice less.

[ETL.Santi]

lol I see you havent play me yet. I bm every non terran player cause their race is easy and op. But when I get a TvT I tell my opponent he is handsome.

[ToRDeathsFang]

Originally Posted by Santi

lol I see you havent play me yet. I bm every non terran player cause their race is easy and op. But when I get a TvT I tell my opponent he is handsome.

This is why i stick to my philisophy of never respecting a Terran.

[pikk0n]

Funny thing about the game and most NA diamond players is their APM is surprisingly high but they would allow their macro to slip so much. Seriously, during the marine bunker harrass, how can someone allow the banked minerals to jump up to 700 when working at 150 apm ave? Spam much? A bunker rush like that can be easily pulled off with 90 apm (ave) max and your macro still wouldn't drop as much, You'd still have a CC being built in your base and 3 extra raxes ready by the time the zerg gets rid of the bunker.

Then there is the attack with the maruder helion ball which didn't require that much micro (he was still operating at around 140 average apm) and yet his banked minerals jumped to 1.1k??!!!!!!! Still no expo until half his units were gone before he finally landed an in-base cc... -.-

I've come across quite a few diamonds there with SEA diamond level apm but SEA bronze level's strat.....

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by DeathsFang

This is why i stick to my philisophy of never respecting a Terran.

As I told my opponent who raged at me last night... going all-out trying to get a bunker rush down on the zerg nat is a play I generally reserve for those Z's who like to start the game by telling me how OP T is and that they are better just because they play Z.

[LennX]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

As I told my opponent who raged at me last night... going all-out trying to get a bunker rush down on the zerg nat is a play I generally reserve for those Z's who like to start the game by telling me how OP T is and that they are better just because they play Z.

It's more like when they start complaining about Terran OP. I start hearing "I cant hold off a bunker rush as Zerg. Please do that to me so that I can learn from it. Thank you very much". :P

Those silent Zergs that gl hf when they see a ZvT matchup are more scary.

[PiG]

Yeah tbh I never realised how bad NA players were till i started getting involved a little with teh community over there and was like woah there are SO many geeks who sound just like they're from bad Hollywood teen movies. It's like listening to DjWheat minus the fact that he actually knows what hes talking about. I also I got sick at first of all my training partners over there because they seem obsessed with being the one that KNOWS everything about the game and so rarely will admit they're wrong.

Then I got past low masters and the people actually were legitimately intelligent and while there's still some douches usually they have the skills and knowledge to back it up :P

[Aean(:]

dude you generalise too much. theres like what 10k players in diamond, you cant say they are all high apm sloppy macro players

[pikk0n]

Aean, I find some good ones but a lot are high apm with sloppy macro. On ladder and even in custom obs games. Add the NA BM and you have the typical NA players. LOL!!!!!!!!!

Well, surprisingly, huskies is still in diamond but his gameplay is definitely better than just diamond. His macro doesn't slip as much but he just does not ladder enough.

[nirvAnA]

i believe its strongly a culture thing rather than a Server thing. Asians are just less opinionated and less likely to express their feelings whereas westerners aren't. like even in high school in small classes of 30 in Asia if you ever put up your hand and ask questions to the teacher the other students look at u funny and think ure wasting time or a weirdo, its just not the norm to do. whereas when i was in UQ in Australia asking lecturers in a 200 person filled hall was encouraged and expected and it was imo a much better learning environment.

expression can be a good thing like on sc2sea the vast majority of the posters/organisers/donators and generally the people who make things happen are Australians but it can also be a bad thing like on the NA server where if the Americans are not happy they make sure you know about it. the only azn on sc2sea that i felt bothered enough to express his opinion was ArtofChua and it was terrible, although funny haha!

so yea SEA being half azn half Caucasian will naturally have alot less BM or "expression of opinion" then a server 100% caucasian. pretty sure alot of azns rage, they just dont express it because of culture lol

Quick Comments

neon:

Very good point, Manners might be a big part of it too. (Still culture but you didn't mention it specifically).

[Paroxysm]

I see nirvAnA. I never really thought about it in a cultural aspect but I guess you're right. The way people have been brought up greatly affects how they act in any situation.

[pikk0n]

We asians turn around and bash up our brothers after losing an SC2 game rather than waste time BMing some dude who is most prob thousands of kilometres away from where we live. hehe!